How is everyone putting HD video on DVD's?

[David97]

I know how to take DV and put in on a DVD but what about HD?

[Baldrick]

hdv? or what kind of hd??

[Treebeard]

HD as in hard drive or HD as in High Def?

[David97]

High Def on DVD's

[Treebeard]

DVD's can not really support HD. Thats why there is HD-DVD format and Blu-Ray format coming out.

[TaoTeWingChun]

Maybe David97 is inquiring about the various TV shows that you can grab which all have that '.ts' file format extension. I know I haven't seen many of those but they are becoming more popular here in the States...

TTWC

[David97]

Maybe David97 is inquiring about the various TV shows that you can grab which all have that '.ts' file format extension. I know I haven't seen many of those but they are becoming more popular here in the States...

TTWC

No i'm asking about taking video from the Sony HDR-HC1 in High Def and putting it onto DVD's. I have seen High Def DVD's for sale with WMV-HD video on them. I guess you can put High Def video on a DVD but the DVD player can't play it right? So you have to use wmv-hd or something?

What is H.264 encoder i always hear about then?

[Baldrick]

h264: https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=297079&highlight=264

you can convert to wmvhd,mpeg2hd,divxhd,xvidhd, etc and burn as data files on dvd but most dvd players wont support it.

the new bluray and hddvd will support mpeg2,h264,vc1 in hd format.

[David97]

What format should i store my high def movies in while i wait on blueray etc?

Is wmv-hd quality very good?

[Baldrick]

download wmv hd sample clips from http://www.wmvhd.com/ but they have very very good video sources.

[David97]

wow they look great gotta love high speed internet.

Is it safe to say that most all high def vides will be in h264? It seems to be popular.

[MozartMan]

HD as in hard drive or HD as in High Def?

HD - High Definition

HDD - Hard Disk Drive.

[MozartMan]

DVD's can not really support HD. Thats why there is HD-DVD format and Blu-Ray format coming out.

There is a bunch of red laser networked DVD players that can play HD from DVD disks or network (IO-Data, JVC, Buffalo, Zensonic)

There is a bunch of HDD based media player boxes that can play HD from HDD (Modix, TIVX, PixelMagic).

And the king is: HTPC

[Treebeard]

I knew that HDD box could play HD from HDD. Didnt realize there were dvd players that supported it.

[handyguy]

There are even HDTV VCRs......

[MozartMan]

There are even HDTV VCRs......

They are called DVHS VCRs.

[Cornucopia]

wow they look great gotta love high speed internet.

Is it safe to say that most all high def vides will be in h264? It seems to be popular.

No. Actually, at the beginning of Blu-Ray/HDDVD release, most discs will still be encoded in MPEG2 (ML@HP?). Once people get all the bugs out of h.264 and VC-1 encoders and the Blu-Ray/HDDVD authoring systems, I'm sure more (the majority?) will move to those codecs, if only for efficiency sake. But, you have to remember that if encoding time is a critical factor in usage of these, MPEG2 is "simpler" (less computationally intensive) and, therefore, quicker.

Note: WMV-HD is a data file(s) that plays from the filesystem of the DVD, when played on a computer. AFAIK, there are NO settop players that play these files, only computers. However, this material would probably be acceptable as source material in a Blu-Ray/HDDVD authoring app (at least the video, WMA isn't valid in either spec). You would obviously have to have the correct DRM priviledges to rework such material.

Scott

[bits]

What format should i store my high def movies in while i wait on blueray etc?

Is wmv-hd quality very good?

For now, leave them on the tapes you are recording to. Once you convert your HD video to some other format you will degrade it and going back to the original quality is lost. None of the formats discussed so far are lossless they are all lossy. Lossless would require way too much HDD space.

[Cornucopia]

What format should i store my high def movies in while i wait on blueray etc?

Is wmv-hd quality very good?

How long is your material? If it's short (commercials), it'll probably fit. Even uncompressed 4:2:2 1080i30 material would be ~7125MB for :60spot, which would fit on a DL DVD.

With enough bitrate, WMV-HD can be very good. Usually works out to ~1/2 equivalent MPEG2 (HP@MP) bitrates for the same quality.

Scott

[painkiller]

Perhaps David97 is thinking of the commercial DVD's (such as the Terminator2) that came advertising the fact it had an extra version of the movie in a hi-def format.

The only gotcha is that the WMV version meant this dvd must be played on a computer running version 9 (or better) of WMP.

[jman98]

I don't do this often, but I record the show with my HD TV card and then use VideoReDo to edit out the commercials. This gives me about 22 minutes out of a 30 minute show. I save the resulting output to DVD and burn as DVD-ROM discs. I can get 2 shows per DVD with a little room left over. Of course I can't watch them at all on any standalone DVD player, but I can watch them on my PC. I'm figuring that maybe in the future I will be able to take these files and burn them to some kind of HD DVD format.

[Cornucopia]

Yeah, probably--IF you recorded/resaved according to one of the std. HD specs (never know with HDTV DVRs). You'll probably still have to demux and decode the audio, recoding it to an HDDVD/BR-acceptable format.

What were your specs?

Scott

[edDV]

Save in HDV format which is MPeg2. Data rate for HDV video is 25Mb/s just like DV so you can store 20min per DVD-R5 just like you can DV format.

I would edit out the crap and store the good stuff back to MiniDV tape (62min) . Short clips may be easier to manage on DVDR media for easy access.

Further compression to WMV, VC1, H.264, XVID, DIVX is possible but these formats are all fluid and not best for long term storage. But they can be used for playback distribution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VC-1 ... soon to be known as SMPTE-421M
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264

http://www.smpte.org/smpte_store/standards/pdf/s421m.pdf

[vhelp]

Unfortunately, I can't fully participate in these HD transfers to DVD,
even through Analog capturing way, because I have this annoying situation
with my captured .AVI source video covered with a layer of diamond shapted
boxes or something. Anyway.

I can't see you meaning Analog capturing of HD sources, because to my
knowledge, there are no capture cards (that I'm aware of) and $cheap$ that
can capture beyond 720 x 480 specs. And, the highest I can capture at is
768 H pixels, with a Winfast TV2000XP card. I was thinking about trying
to hook up the Y Pb Pr leads to this card, but they don't work properly,
and at least the Y (Luam) connection is all gray (as it should, in YUV
color space) but thats not gonna help with this topic - just sharing my
personal experience in this new HD content world

The .TS route is the way to go, for sure. But, until then, I'm stuck with
the old fashion way - analog.

I am wondering what will be the standard with HD sources, in terms of
actual resolution. I mean, with DVD, you have the consortiums agreement
of 720 x 480 for MPEG-2 video format on DVD.

( 352/480 x 480 is just an older stuckage of semi -to- non-standards alternatives,
imho, and used for things like extras and other non-Film stock )

What I'm asking is, are they gonna pump out an array of resolutions to choose
from, (and make things more confusing/frustrating) or are they still inside
some decision process to finalize on a new Standardized resolution ??

I for one would prefer the idea of a ONE resolution system, and use other's if
it would serve as an outside alterntative like "movie extras" for instance.

But, the way I see it, (and w/out going into great details) is that we have
various Horizontal and Vertical resolutions in this new format now. Anyways.

How are they going to be tied to source-type ?
** Film will have X by Y - [or, 720p]
** Sports/news/talk will have X by Y - [or, 1080i]
** HD-DVD's "Extras" will be X by Y - [or, 720 x 480]

I mean, I just wanna know what the standard will be. Maybe it will help
others in this topic decide on how they want to prepare for the new standard
in terms of resolution choices in their *new* archiveal attempts.

Thanks,
-vhelp 3854

[Cornucopia]

There are some standards as regards ATSC, but it still seems like a free-for-all.

Take your pick:
All the current DVD resolutions + framerates, and
1920x1080 @ 29.97 ("60i" aka "30i"), 59.94 ("60p"), 23.97/24 ("24p")
1280x720 @ 59.94 ("60p"), ??? @ 23.97/24 ("24p") ???
maybe 720x480 @ 59.94 ("60p") (EDTV)
maybe more (???MP@14L???)...

and that's just in NTSC land.

Marry that with choice of video codec:
WMV9/VC1/S421M
h264/AVC
MPEG2

and choice of audio codec:
DolbyDigital, DD+
DTS, DTS++
LPCM
DolbyTrueHD (MLP)
MPEG Audio (mp2)
maybe AAC...

.... WHEW!!!

Scott

[vhelp]

There are some standards as regards ATSC, but it still seems like a free-for-all.

You see, thats what I was afraid of.

Oh, and thank you for demonstrating the various free-for-all specs.

-vhelp 3857

[hazydave]

Note: WMV-HD is a data file(s) that plays from the filesystem of the DVD, when played on a computer. AFAIK, there are NO settop players that play these files, only computers.

Not quite correct -- WMV/HD certainly includes WMV-encoded video files, but there's a spec for browsing, buttons, etc. as well. This is all based on existing stuff, HTML and JavaScript, which is apparently the plan for HD-DVD standard too (Blu-Ray is using Java).

Authored WMV/HD discs will play on the IOData LinkPlayer2, as long as there's no DRM. This includes the navigation. I have been messing around with this format for my own HD productions (I'm using the HVR-A1, the pro version of the HDR-H1), and it works well. Unfortunately, the only means I have to author at the moment is hand written scripts, which is annoying, but it does work. The basic details from Microsoft are found here: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/forpros/content_provider/wmvhddvd/default.aspx.

While there are numerous WMV/HD discs coming out, as far as I know only the HD-Net discs are without Microsoft's DRM -- Mark Cuban is an outspoken critic of DRM, and he's had the balls to put his money where his mouth is on the subject. I don't particularly have a problem with DRMs in general, but Microsoft's is overly prohibitive -- they don't really allow non-PCs to run it. So most of the WMV/HD discs are PC-only.

However, this material would probably be acceptable as source material in a Blu-Ray/HDDVD authoring app (at least the video, WMA isn't valid in either spec).

That appears to be correct -- Microsoft is claiming that WMV9 is officially their implementation of the VC-1 standard, implying at least that if you author in WMV9 today, you're good for the future players employing VC-1 as a primary video format (last I heard, VC-1, MPEG-2, and H.264/MPEG-4 AVC were all being adopted as primary formats -- makes some sense, as WMV9 and AVC have common roots, both going back to MPEG-4 SAP and H.263),

Audio probably will be an issue, WMA isn't currently either a primary or secondary format on the next-gen players. That shouldn't technically be a problem, though I have yet to find a tool that lets you mess around with WMV audio streams as you can with AVI or MPEG streams. Presumably that'll come in time.
-Dave

[leebo]

I'm sure by now many of you know that people who have purchased the new Toshiba HD-DVD player are sucessfully burning HD-DVD content to DVD5 and DVD dual layer discs.
There is a long thread over at AVS forums about this.

They are using Ulead MF5 I think.