converting iso to smaller format, avi or mpg??

[kschang]

The stupid way: try both.

Why, you think you'll blow up your PC if you choose wrong?

[willhenderson]

either/or both just one? why reply if all u want to do is ridicule me.

[jimmalenko]

either/or both just one? why reply if all u want to do is ridicule me.

So that you might let go of our collective hands and learn the way we learnt - by experimentation (trial and error).

[kschang]

Call it "tough love" if you prefer. But really, think about it... What'll happen if you choose wrong? You don't get the PGC prompt or you get an error, so you try the other one... and succeed!

You have 50/50 chance of getting it right, and there's no penalty if you get it wrong. Life doesn't get much better than this, IMHO.

[willhenderson]

well guess what i have, i loaded the biggest ifo waited forever for it to process

and it only leaves me with an avi that plays 12 minutes, the size is also 1/3 cd 300 somethin mbs

[Sifaga]

snail mail it

[kschang]

well guess what i have, i loaded the biggest ifo waited forever for it to process

and it only leaves me with an avi that plays 12 minutes, the size is also 1/3 cd 300 somethin mbs

What were you expecting?

[mats.hogberg]

A VOB, 640 MB, Yes, 12 minutes doesn't seem all that wrong. But you have used all too high bitrate (or q factor) when you encoded in AutoGK. Try a bitrate around 1000 kbps.

/Mats

[willhenderson]

A VOB, 640 MB, Yes, 12 minutes doesn't seem all that wrong. But you have used all too high bitrate (or q factor) when you encoded in AutoGK. Try a bitrate around 1000 kbps.

/Mats

what do u mean that dont sound wrong? i want it to play the whole movie, why does it only play 12 minutes ??

and what is this bitrate your speaking of, im talking about i set the predefined size to 1/3 CD (233mb) should this be something else, or should my files in the vob folder be different did i not rip right

[willhenderson]

well guess what i have, i loaded the biggest ifo waited forever for it to process

and it only leaves me with an avi that plays 12 minutes, the size is also 1/3 cd 300 somethin mbs

What were you expecting?

look here, if youve got nothing to contribute or anything nice to say -- stay OUT of my thread, you HEAR!!

[guns1inger]

What Mats is saying is that 12 minutes seems to be a reasonable running time for a VOB that size. If you try to play back the contents of the VOB using PowerDVD or similar, how long does it actually run for As an example, a 90 minute movie, encoded and authored, will produce around 4 x 1GB VOB files. Each VOB, assuming no menus, will have a run time of around 22 minutes. You have a single, 640MB VOB. Unless it has a very low bitrate or is definately VCD res/bitrate, you won't get much change out of 15 minutes.

[mats.hogberg]

what do u mean that dont sound wrong? i want it to play the whole movie, why does it only play 12 minutes

For all I know, the whole movie is 12 minutes. You posted a screen shot of a directory, containing 2 VOBs. The biggest is 640 MB, which well matches a 12 minute movie. No one here is psychic, or have access to your computer, so we have to try to deal with the info at hand (coming from you). We don't even have to. But we do nevertheless. So be patient.

If you select 1/3 CD, the bitrate will be (for a for a 12 minute movie in DivX/XviD AVI format) unusually high, but that's beside the point at the moment.
From the top once more:
Mount the ISO with daemon tools.
Start AutoGK, and follow kschang's advice:

In AutoGK, just select either the first or the second IFO file you see, and you'll be prompted to pick the "PGC". Take the longest one, and you're in business.

I'd guess the second ifo is the correct one, and remember: you will be browsing for the IFO on your mounted ISO.

/Mats

[willhenderson]

okay, if ive jus got the dvd loaded in the drive can i open my ifo from the dvd drive without using decryptor to get a iso, then mounting (would be the same wouldnt it and save time??)

anyway if i cant, ill go through and try ripping to get a iso again, i understand what you're saying now it did its encoding job right but the folder was short of my full movie and not the whole thing which is why i was left with only 12 minutes im assuming

so okay, i guess now ill have to just re rip the iso again if i cant go straight from my opened up drive in gordon knot linking to my ifo correct?? because the movie is definately longer than 12 minutes

at last, what should i set my pre-defined size in gordon to -- if the whole movie im going to tranfer is about no longer than an hour total?

[guns1inger]

If that single VOB file contains an hour of video then it must be VCD resolution and bitrate. Before getting concerned with the settings for compressing the files, I would suggest getting them to your hard drive again, complete, then testing them to see what you have. If you don't have the whole video that you believe you should have, then recompressing them might be moot.

[jimmalenko]

Having watched this thread through its infancy, body and somewhat farcical stage it is at now, I'd suggest burning the ISO to DVD and snail-mailing it to wherever it needs to go. Just seems like the easiest and least painful way for all concerned I'm afraid

[mats.hogberg]

okay, if ive jus got the dvd loaded in the drive can i open my ifo from the dvd drive without using decryptor

Yes!

at last, what should i set my pre-defined size in gordon to -- if the whole movie im going to tranfer is about no longer than an hour total?

That's harder to say, as it involves what you think is an acceptable quality. For one hour, I'd say one CD is more than enough. Many DVD rips you come across are typicallay 1.5-2 hrs/CD - too low quality for most, but the convenience of having it all on one disc may be considered also.

/Mats

[willhenderson]

That's harder to say, as it involves what you think is an acceptable quality. For one hour, I'd say one CD is more than enough.


/Mats

righ right, so this way the file size in the end will be '700 mb' on the tail ? since i'm going to be sending it and that is my main purpose to get it to my m8 in a more compact media format would you recommend downsizing it even more to say 300 mbs ??

[mats.hogberg]

One hour in 300 mb is pushing it a bit IMO. Possibly if you resized it down hard, like to 320 or 480 wide, but then you'll lose lots of detail, at least with 320. With 128 kbps audio, 4-500 MB would be the lowest I'd go for 1 hour.
If AutoGK allows, just encode short pieces at different bitrates and resolutions to see how it comes out.

/Mats

[Nelson37]

You are asking questions about filesize that are IMPOSSIBLE to answer accurately as these involve judgements about quality. Even an educated guess becomes far more difficult without knowledge of 1- THE TOTAL RUNNING TIME OF THE VIDEO, and 2. - THE SOURCE TYPE OF THE VIDEO. You have been asked these questions several times and have failed to answer.

Provide more information or make your own best guess, with what you have given us to work with your guess is as good as mine.

[mats.hogberg]

C'mon guys, leave willhenderson some slack - We've determined the movie is "no longer than an hour total" and deduced it's a Video DVD with a bitrate of 6-7000 kbps.

/Mats

[kschang]

well guess what i have, i loaded the biggest ifo waited forever for it to process

and it only leaves me with an avi that plays 12 minutes, the size is also 1/3 cd 300 somethin mbs

What were you expecting?

look here, if youve got nothing to contribute or anything nice to say -- stay OUT of my thread, you HEAR!!

It was a perfectly reasonable question. Translation: How long did you expect the movie to be? I believe we've been more than patient with you. Don't take your frustration out on people trying to HELP you.

[kschang]

C'mon guys, leave willhenderson some slack - We've determined the movie is "no longer than an hour total" and deduced it's a Video DVD with a bitrate of 6-7000 kbps. /Mats

And it took how many messages for him to get us that info over how many days? When we stated what needed to be done from the very first reply?

Helping someone is one thing. This is so far beyond helping, IMHO, it is XXXXXXXXX
(word removed by kschang's self-censor).

It took about a dozen posts to figure out that the movie is "about 1 hour long", and "I want to send it via email". We STILL haven't figured out what constitutes an "acceptable size" from him (when sent through e-mail), much less "acceptable quality".

willhenderson... In the future, can you just state what you have, and what you want to get it INTO, so we can give you PROPER advice? Go back and read your ORIGINAL question, vs. how your question has mutated over the many days.

One more note: AutoGK is a fine tool for generating an AVI out of a DVD, almost any movie DVD, but it's designed to maximize the use of specific media sizes, not generating the smallest possible file. But then, you never said your aim was for the smallest possible file until recently, and then we gave you the standard size vs. quality advice.

[Cornucopia]

Ok, I'm going to make some assumptions and give you a path to take based on those. If my assumptions are incorrect, don't take my advice--or ask questions about why it doesn't work on your modified scenario...

Currently, movie is DVD-Video in ISOfile. ~1hour long. Authored to multiple VOB's.
You want to make AVI/WMV/DivX/mp4 that is small enough to send via Internet. (FTP/Web, Not email attachment, it'll NEVER be that small!).

Question of the day is: Is you "single movie" authored seamlessly or as segments?
If segmented, you'll have to use Cuttermaran, or something, in the middle steps to concatenate the VOBs into 1 VOB.
Assuming it's single seamless piece...DO THIS:

1. Burn ISO to DVD±RW.
2. Open burned disc in DVD-Decrypter. IFO Mode. Set IFO/File preferences to unlimited filesize/Filesplitting=none. Select longest PGC (should say ~1hour long beside)--it usually does this for you. Rip. You'll end up w/ 1 long VOB.
3. Open VOB in VirtualdubMod. Select Audio stream in streams list.Save as WAVE. Set compression to DivX (must have already installed). Add filters to smart resize down to 320x240, deinterlacing. Set Framerate to Convert to 15fps by decimating by 2 (skip everyother). Set compression bitrate to ~250kbps (2pass VBR if available). Save the AVI.
4. Open AVI in Virtualdub. Select WAV as audio (not source). Video=Direct Stream copy. Audio=Full processing. Set audio compression to LAME mp3 (must have installed 1st). Mono. 16bit, 22kHz. ~48kbps. Save AVI.
5. Send the resultant AVI to your friend. Should look pretty GOOD! (edit: at 298kbps, 1 hour ~= 131MB)

Scott


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edit: I just tested this out, so I know it works.

[guns1inger]

What we have to date is inconclusive, but reading through this post from top to bottom, we do know;

1. The source is an ISO containing what appears to be a valid DVD structure.
2. The DVD structure itself consists of a single main VOB approx 640MB in size
3. WillHenderson believes the running time of the video contained within to be approximately 1 hour. This run time has not been confirmed. An early attempt to re-encode resulted in a 12 minute video being produced.

Taking this information, only one of three situations can be correct;

1. The video is DVD resolution, but very heavily compressed (bitrate of around 1170), in which case it would be very low quality.

2. The video is VCD resolution and bitrate, in which case it does not need ot be resized, just re-encoded using a more efficient codec.

3. The running time in nowhere near 1 hour (and may in fact be closer to the original 12 minute attempt previously posted).

Until the video is extracted successfully and clearly identified as to resolution, bitrate and length, any advice being given is a best guess only, and could be wildly wrong. I share kschang's frustration in not being able to get any concrete information from the OP.

[willhenderson]

thnx all,ive managed to get it going

-your guys friend, will

lol

[Nelson37]

An explanation of what you have done would make this whole exchange useful for other members, as oppossed to a total waste of time, which will be remembered in case of future questions.

[willhenderson]

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Cornucopia's post

[kschang]

Hmmm... Selecting the longest PGC from AutoGK didn't work, but selecting it from DVD Decryptor does work. How interesting...