New Tmpgenc 2.50 out

[$an1065]

hi

the new verison is out download it from

http://www.tmpgenc.net/e_main.html

[poopyhead]

thnx for the heads up....

but i'll stick with the good ol' tmpgenc beta 12a

[vhelp]

Poopyhead,

what encodes do you create with 12a ??
VCD or SVCD, etc...

I've ben messing around with 12d, and making VCD's these past
few days, and I love the quality I've ben getting out of 12d

Normally, I make xSVCD's due to it's sharper quality, etc., but so far, I've
ben pretty or somewhta satisfied with my test samples of VCD.

These are my VCD creation specs:
* mpeg1 / 352x240 / 1150kbits and 128k audio
and quality is VHS or better when burned to CD, and also, plays pretty in
pretty good quality on pc as well - provided I stick to what settings I've
ben using these few days!
I will do some more test with other materials (movies)
And, I don't know what up w/ all those countless VCD's
I've create in the past (and hated), but I've noticed that
if I vear too far from my current process & settings, I
loose the quality and blocks show up, not only in the fast
scenes but also in some of the slower ones as well.
Will have to do some more tests.

These VCD's are from my DVD rips of just few movies, "5th element"
and "contact - the scene where Foster is in the wormholes", ...can't believe
the quality of it!!

anywas, let me know which, VCD or SVCD (or variations of either)

And, as far as v2.50 goes, 4get it! too many problems with
this version. I don't know why people are raving how great
it is, cause, quite frankly, my experience with it has ben
showing nothing bettre than lacking, ie, it's CQ_VBR is
broken!! No matter how many times you change to 2520 for
ie, the final encode is always on 3000 (and I never changed
it to 3000)!!! And, this is the Rate Control Mode I use
in all my xSVCD!! ...try it for yourselves!

Tanx!

-vhelp

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[poopyhead]

vhelp, i use beta 12a to encode SVCD, it's one of the "old" versions where there is no "trial" limitation for mpeg 2 encoding...and quality is great

[vhelp]

hay poops,

sorry, but I made like 3 changes to my prev. post here - kept finding things I left
out that shoud of ben there. Anyways...

Actually, I use 12a also!! For all my xSVCD's love all my encodes so far, and
w/out the time-limit issue.

I think I have all the TMPG versions, but in a random choice, I choose v12d.
I'm not a VCD fan what-so-ever!! But, as I said in my prev. post, I'm having
second thoughts about my past statements (I just love to eat my own words- and
am not affraid to admit when I'm wrong, which most freqents heres are afraid!)
But, as for my (standard) VCD creation, I stumpped!! ...cause I didn't have to
UP the bitrate at all!!!!! And, I just so luckily have an actual standard VCD of
one of the best James Bond movies on it, "Goldfinger"... a 2 disk set and done
by Phillips back in '95. The quality is great on it, but you CAN see blocks in a
number of scenes (so I base that as a standard to the level or numbers of bocks
one would expect to see in a standard created VCD) Bare in mind, that I'm using
my Apex ad-500 and ad-1500 as my measuring tool, and as I've read here, that
many people have stated that Apex lines, ie, ad-500 and ad-1500 are one of the
lozyiest producing qualiy of them all !!! And, if that's the case, then just imagine
how much BETTER the quality would be if, say played on a good DVD player.
The only way to find this out, is to find a way to find my files that I just keep
adding to my Shared folder for Morpheus users to D/L Then you can test them
and post your comments (they suck! or they're great looking)

Ok, one more thing about my statements on VCD's on a whole... I've made
plenty of statements about it's blurry quality. Well, on the standard VCD's
that I've create so far, the blurry'ness is at a very minimum!! And, w/out
having to resort to all those fancy Filters, ie, smoothers and 3d and 2d cleaners,
etc., etc. When you don't have to resort to these tricks or tactics, then all I
can say is, "...all the more the better"
Remember, these are Standard spec VCD's that I'm bragging about, w/out having
to go to extreams to get best quality, and still not have it acceptable.

Other than that, I make my xSVCD (mpeg2/352x480/1850mn/2520mx/128kAud)
and am very pleased with them. Well, I have lots more to explore in the area
of VCD's, so . . . .

-vhelp

[vhelp]

Hay, I just rememberd reading a few posts about a person trying to figure out
how to get rid of his blocks in the movie, "The Mummy Returns"

I don't remember the poster's name to that thread, but if he/she is reading this,
please let me know if you want to try this out. and if any other movie scenes
you would like to view for blocks control quality in, let me know. You can
providate message me if you like. In the mean time, I'll keep on finding DVD's
to test out in quality, etc. in VCD format.

I don't have this movie, but I do have the first one, "The Mummy"
if there's is a similar scene(s) in them, let me know and I'll try my hand at
producing my VCD version of it for you to see to see and judge on the blocks.

-vhelp

[kwantum]

vhelp -
how many minutes can you usually fit on the xSVCD's you make?

[vhelp]

kwantum,

To be totally honest, I'm not really sure!

I think I can get about 40+ minutes with my encodes to date
...but needs a slight testing or something.

I know this much, when I burn my CD-Rs, I usually have between an
average of 100 to 200 mb left over for the second CD. I know, it's kind
of a waist - I say this all the time, but three's really nohting I can do. And
to justify, "why don't you lower your bitrate some" is not enough for me
to make that kind of change in my encoding quality. I gues you could
say that it's suicidel, but until I can figure out a metter solution to get a
1 hour show captured, encoded and burned to ONE cd, I will continue to
commit suicide, by using 2 cd's. No, I don't feel like upping up the bitate
any further then my current settings, CQ_VBR of 1850mn/2520mx this
combo seems to have ben working for a while now.

I'm always welcomed to hear others suggestoins or tips though. So, if
ya have any that's fine.

Anyways, why do you ask?

-vhelp

[smokingweed3000]

where can I get TMPG Enc 12a or 12d. And vhelp can you send me the template that you are using for your XSVCDs? My email is whoisyourdady3000@hotmaill.com.
Thanks a lot

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[vhelp]

smok,

based on my experience here, you'll probably not be satisfied with my template.
Basically, all it is, is your standard SVCD template with minor adjustments, ie,
* bitrate/Motion at NormalQuality, and NO filters in tmpgenc.
Also, I frameserve my AVI from VD to TMPG

I've posted my specs and process on more than one occassion, but here:
* MSI K7T Pro 2-A motherboard w/ VIA KT133 chikpset
just updatd my cpu to an XP 1700+, but FWIU, my system/windows 98 is not
using it to it's fullest potential, and that 4it 2work, I have to re-install
windows 98 again. But i'm not ready to do this just yet.
* ATI Rage Fury (32mb agp)
- I do not use for capturing (uses WDM drivers)
* ATI-TV Wonder pci card
- This is my capture medium, I cap at 352x480 via HUFFY codec
in AVI_IO. I also use the VFW driver (as far as I know - they're listed in Dev'Mgr
* Virtual dub
I load all AVI files 00/01/02... and some filters and frameserve over to...
* TMPGEnc
...and encode to w/ xSVCD specs... 352x480/1850mn/2520mxBitrate/128k Aud/Motion:NQ
* Nero 5.5xxxx
I burn my CDs w/ [ ] Compliant unchecked
* Apex AD-500 and AD-1500
I test and then finally, play on both these and enjoy!!

The above is my system for xSVCD encodes, and it works EVERY time!!
My captures again, are from SATALETE, so the quality issues are great for most TV shows,
pending their source quality before it hits my dish, and then finally my capture card!
* MTV/VH1/CMT, etc come out great!

As to how you go about following my process (layed out 4U above) and achieving the same
results as my encodes, will depend on a number of factors:
* you system specs
* your capture card and it's drivers VFW or WDM or combo of BOTH and how you utilize it.
* your capture source ( VHS/Cable/DVD/Satalete etc. ) and it's quality.
* DVD Rip - it you rip it a certain way (as I have found on my own) you can get pretty
good looking quality VCD's no filters (or w/ minimum filters, save DeInterl & Sharp)
* and maybe a few more things I may have left out here--I'm pretty burned out just
entering this
But, if you find that you are not getting the results were are looking for... my
suggestion is to:
* find a good looking clip
* and share it here or provide a link
If this clip is just too large, let us know and we can show you how to cut just enough
of it for us to see.
I've posted many of my xSVCD samples at my website, but everytime I find a website to
house my sample clips, they disconnect me hard and fast w/out ANY hint or word of it.
ie, I just out that the site that was housing my sample on my website is no longer
working!
So, I'm going to try other means, ie, Morpheus or better. Morpheus is turning out to
be a real looser in this cause you can't share files with anyone! But, if you can
find my files "vhelp-", get 'em and give them a try. But, they are not for PC viewing.
Only for CD's.

Now, I haven't figured out how to frameserve DVI2AVI's *.d2v files into VirtualDub,
so if you do, please share, as I'm having problems finding this out.

If you have Morpheus and know how to tame it, (well, at least find my files) you can
D/L as much of my sample clips as you want! I start all my clips with "vhelp-", and
the Artist I set to "vhelp". And I follow w/ a full description of each file.
Also, I'm currently listed as "vhelp2@MusicCity" (leave the '2' in there)

smok,
* Are you creating VCD's and now looking into SVCD's ???
* Have you read any of the guides posted here and am not satisfied with them?
don't be afraid to admit it!! yes or no?
* what IS your goal at present ??

There! I think I shared enough!!

-vhelp

FWIU - "from what I understand"

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[vhelp]

Oops, I posted the above post in this one by accident!!

Sorry all.

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[bBorn]

^^^^^compatible with nero 5.5.6.4?

[jazzer]

This site is in Spanish but you can figure it out. It has all TMPG versions up to 2.0

www.granavenida.com/vcdspain/down/tmpgenc.htm

[poopyhead]

vhelp, o heh...the only specs that matters for encoding is CPU (errr...as someone pointed out..decent hdd space and RAM)

btw...dealing with standalone dvd players...try to stick with pioneer (i use dv-333, but i've also used the new dv-343). even though they don't have mp3 playback, they are one of the most reliable brands and can play absolutely any type of cd-r disc. they can even play non-compliant stuff.

as for apex, they may be cheaper...but u get wut u pay for. i've heard of really high defect rates. if you're lucky to get one that works, then it's ok, but i've heard they use cheap parts to reduce costs, so the quality isn't that great and won't last for very long.....

[ohhowhappy]

hey, jazzer, thanks for the link to the Spanish site, but I've tried it twice and all the links are down. Have you checked it lately?
ohhowhappy