---> To VRO format conversion

[claudio53]

is there any way to record via PC software on a DVDRAM in VRO format (or to convert to it) in order to watch the DVDram video recorded with PC common software on the table DVD recorder using this video format? (Panasonic, samsung et al)

[Cornucopia]

You're thinking is slightly convoluted.

If you step back a minute and realize that:
1. You record to DVD-recorder settop--in either DVD-Video (VOB/IFO) or DVD-VR (RTAV/VRO) or DVD+VR (VOB/IFO??) format.
2. The choice is made partly by recorder choice and media choice, and partly by what needs to be done with the footage, editing-wise.
3. The benefit of VR's is editability.
4. This capability for editing is NOTHING like the editability of a PC.
5. You already have it on the PC (in its edited form??).
6. Any editing you might have left to do would most likely be done on the PC.
7. Hence, the editing bonus of VR is wasted.
8. The benefit of DVD-Video (VOB/IFO) format is COMPATIBILITY. These will play on (almost) ALL DVD-Recorders and DVD-Players.
9. You can still burn DVD-Video format on a DVD-RAM disc (at least, in the PC you can).

So the answer is, I'm trying to steer you away from doing what you think you want to do, and steer you toward what you really seem to want to do.

Author as normal, Burn to media you like to use, Play on player you like to use.

HTH,
Scott

[claudio53]

Dear cornucopia
first of all I need to apologize for my poor english (I'm italian)... and maybe because of this I made myself not fully clear!
I' m quite a newbie and I'm not very deep in copyin or video editing.
I bought a table video recorder just to make some copy of occasional ineteresting satellite broadcasts! So I need to use the DVD support exactly as the previous old VHS cassette, but with a (much) better quality!
That's why I've chosen a budget recorder and the capability to use DVD-RAM which are really and easily usable as a HUGE floppy or data container... very easy to write and erase!
And besides it can be used to make tenporary copy of data or music or pictures on a PC burner and hence quickly an partly erased!
Of course being a newbie (almost a dummy) I had thought that video and support format had been perfectly compatible... but (alas) panasonic and samsung use the vro format with the DVD-RAM support which is not usable on a PC burner!
hence what I write with the table recorder CAN be easily read on the PC reader, but when I record a DVD-RAM with a PC burner (the software I have does NOT write in vro format) I cannot read the disc on the table recorder...
This last action would be exactly my target and would satisfy ALL my needs... so I'm again asking (I hope this time in a clear way) for a software (or a plug in for existing burning software) that could write the DVD-RAM discs exactly in the same way as the table DVD-recorder... just to say it in a few words I need a software simulated DVD recorder...exactly as it happens with RW supports whose format is perfectly inter-operable between a PC software burner and table recorder..
Thanks again for help

[ZippyP.]

You can't write to a ram disk on your PC in VRO format.

[claudio53]

Thanks anyway... that's all what I needed to know to stop my " No -aim" search

[Cornucopia]

Yes, but you should still be able to write to RAM discs in DVD-Video format and have them be playable. And you can always write to DVD-R in DVD-Video format and THOSE will work in your recorder.

Which model do you have?

Scott

[claudio53]

The first assertion it is NOT true... I have the samsung DVDR100 (euro-pal) and it expects that a DVD-RAM support contain .VRO files structure!
If you use a DVD-RAM burnt as a "regular DVD format" it says "Unformatted DVD-RAM" and ask you to format it!
Of course I can use DVD -RW (and that works fine)... but DVD-RAM is a real and easily erasable support ... -RW it is ACTUALLY a RE-WRITABLE support.
Thanks anyway

[pnewbery]

I also have the requirement to burn DVD-Ram on the PC to be playable on my Panasonic DMR-E85H DVD recorder.

The reason for doing this is to burn single episodes of downloaded US TV shows which are aired way before they are shown in the UK. Yes, I could burn to DVD-R, but burning a 40 minute program on a 2 hour capacity disk is a waste of a DVD. I will be burning the episodes to DVD-R once I have 2 hours worth, but it will take six weeks to accumulate that, as the shows are only aired once a fortnight. Yes, I could watch the episode on the PC, but I want to show them on the TV for the family to view.

So in the meantime, I want to be able to burn them on a re-writeable DVD-RAM. Unfortunately DVD-RAMs burnt on the PC aren't readable by the Panasonic.

Any ideas?

[ZippyP.]

Any ideas?

Here's an idea, 30p each.

[claudio53]

shame on you...
what about EPA... instead of thousands (maybe million) of support waste DVD-RAM is a really recyclable suport!!!

[Cornucopia]

The DMR-E85H is supposed to support DVD-RW, although some have reported that it doesn't. If yours does, use RW discs. No waste that way, still re-recordable (although, less #times than RAM). Record DVD-Video format. If the Panny's don't recognize that, I wouldn't consider them very good players.
Maybe you should check with Panasonic support...

Scott

>>>>>>>>>>
edit: The Samsung dvdr100 mentioned by the OP does indeed support RW in DVD-Video mode. It specifically does NOT support RAM in anything but VR mode. So, if you plan on making a return trip to the settop with footage edited on the PC, author and burn an RW disc in standard DVD-Video mode (and finalize, of course). OR, get an additional settop player than can read RAM discs burned in DVD-Video mode.
As I think I said before, there are NO PC softwares that author and burn in VR mode.

[tonyaldr]

There's another reason that converting a DVD to DVD-RAM is desireable - DVD-RAM players offer the ability to play at 1.3x standard speed. That would allow you to watch 2 hour films in less time as the audio is not garbled. If anyone knows of a one or two step method to do this on a PC with a DVD-RAM drive that would be great.

[vikung]

You CAN burn RAM disc to use on your table recorder, if you can burn VR- discs on your software, and of course have RAM support on your PC.

I use TMPGenc DVD Author to sort my clips from table-RAM-recorder to the PC. Then PowerProducer 2 Gold to burn VR- discs. It creates all the same folders on RAM disc as it would on table recorder, and I can edit them on the table rec. afterwards to.

Only thing to mention is that the files expand a bit when the VR/DVD/RAM disc is created on PC, so I use LongPlay rec. on PowerProd.

I m pretty sure Nero and other burning software supports VR-Discs.

[anonzzzz]

vikung,

Many thanks for posting that information. I've been searching for tips on writing vro format dvd-ram discs for quite some time now without success but thanks to you I now know how to. Do you have any idea what format Panasonic is using on their DVDRW discs so that I have an alternative to the DVD-RAM discs.

Thanks,
Peter