Burning a 24p project to DVD

[canada_habs2004]

I have just completed a project that was shot and edited in 24p video.

I rendered the 24fps MPEG-2 Video, but my DVD program, Ulead Movie Factory, won't burn the file without converting it.

I am really unsure about how to get this video from my 24p timeline, to a DVD, without any quality loss via conversion.

Could someone reccommend a way for me to do this properly, I have Ulead Media Studio, and as said, Ulead Movie Factory.

thanks

[Baldrick]

how did you make the 24 mpeg2? what tool? did you add 3:2 pulldown so it will be dvd compliant?

you can add 3:2 pulldown with dgpulldown and then try add in ulead. if it wont work get another better authoring tool...

[borax]

1. Is it really 24p footage (like 16 mm film) or 23,976 fps video
2. Where shall it 'go to'? PAL or NTSC?

[Cornucopia]

"24p" video, 99 times out of 100--especially in NTSC countries (like US & Canada) IS 23.976fps.

This can easily be created in the better NLE's, encoded correcty to 29.97 w/pulldown (equiv. to 23.976) in the better encoders, and authored correctly in the better authoring apps.

I'm glad there are apps like DGpulldown to fix things up, but for the most part, I think it's better to use an app that supports that kind of source video and understands what must need to be done.

Scott

[canada_habs2004]

Ok let me make this really simple, and then someone who has done this before can help me out.

I have finished a project in Ulead Mediastudio. It is:
-16:9 Widescreen
-Exactly 24fps timeline
-Composed entirely of EXACTLY 24fps AVI Uncompressed Files

I am now finished my project, and need to get it to a DVD.

I don't know where to go from here, but as i said, my DVD Making Program, Ulead MovieFactory, WON"T accept 24fps video files.



Therefore, I'm assuming I need to somehow convert my video to 29.97fps?? Is this where this 2:3 pulldown comes in? I don't want to lose ANY Video Quality.

thanks for all your help

[borax]

Composed entirely of EXACTLY 24fps AVI Uncompressed Files

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rendered the 24fps MPEG-2 Video

How? Which encoder? Most encoders (like tmpgenc plus) are able to create 3:2 pulldown.

What is 3:2 pulldown:
http://www.dvdfile.com/news/special_report/production_a_z/3_2_pulldown.htm

[canada_habs2004]

With my completed timeline open in Ulead Mediastudio,

I went to file, render video.

I then choose the Ulead MPEG Encoder and my settings were:
-Constant bit rate 6000kps
-100% Quality
-720x480 res
-16:9 Aspect Ratio
-24 fps(exactly)
- frame based

rendered this video, and it plays perfect in Windows Media Player.

NOW, i want to be able to watch this exact, but on DVD.

I'm thinking i need to aquire a software program that will burn 24fps videos directly without any conversion, because then I the DVD Player can do the pulldown itself right?

Can someone reccommend a cheap (under 50$) program that will do this. I'm not so worried about advanced DVD authoring, just something that will burn these files without conversion.


Also, If i did decide to apply the 3:2 pulldown on my PC before, would this make my video run slightly less smooth? Because i attempted render that same MPEG-2 file, as 29.97fps, and it worked allright, but it just wasn't quite as smooth as my 24fps rendered file.

[manono]

Hi-

I'm thinking i need to aquire a software program that will burn 24fps videos directly without any conversion, because then I the DVD Player can do the pulldown itself right?

If it's an MPG, maybe, but you won't be able to author it as a DVD without applying pulldown.

So, try this; open your 24fps M2V or MPV or whatever it is, in DGPulldown. Tick the 24->29.97 box. Leave the 2 checked boxes checked. That is, don't touch the "Set timecodes" and "Set drop frames" boxes. Then hit the "Convert" button. It'll create a new file, not by reencoding anything, but by applying the correct flags. You'll still have the untouched original, and you'll also have the new one to which pulldown has been applied, and nothing's been reencoded.

Now try and open the new pulleddown file in whatever you use for authoring (Ulead?), and take it from there. If it doesn't open it for some reason, or insists on reencoding it, then open it in Muxman (free) and use it for authoring. Muxman doesn't reencode anything. It does, however, require elementary streams, separate audio and video files. No authoring app should reencode anything. Any that does should be consigned to the Recycle Bin.

Will it run less smoothly? It shouldn't. If running on a progressive display such as a computer monitor, even crappy software DVD players such as PowerDVD will note the flagging and output the 24fps progressive frames. You should get even smoother playback by setting your computer monitor's refresh rate to a multiple of 24 (like 72 Hz). You got less than smooth playback before because you unwisely converted the smooth playing 24fps to 29.97fps encoded frames. Duplicate frames were added to make it play with a bit of a stutter (depending on exactly how you did it).

[canada_habs2004]

thank your very much that's the exact help i was looking for.

the only part confusing me is the m2v or mpv formats. I have heard of these before, but don't really know what they are.

My editing program (Ulead MediaStudio) can save the video file as AVI's, quicktime, windows media player, or mpeg formats, but the mpeg format is .mpeg what do i do to get them to a m2v format?


edit: i tried this process in DVPulldown, but when I previewed the newly created .m2v file in Windows Media Player, it played good for about 1 second, then was still for one second, played for 1 second, then was still...etc did the same thing in ATI Multimedia Center.

[borax]

MPG is multiplexed video + audio (+ subtitles and other info) in one stream. m2v or mpv are more or less synonyms (mpv is either mpeg1 or mpeg2, m2v is definitly mpeg2) for elementary ('pure') video streams. In order to get the m2v (and audio which is mp2 or ac3 or pcm) you need to demultiplex your mpg file. You can use tmpgenc mpeg tools or other (i.e. more special) utilities for this purpose. See: https://www.videohelp.com/tools?s=111#111
Within the same section, you can also find programs which multiplex the (new 3:2 pulldown) m2v file with your audio file(s) if your authoring software (Ulead) can only work with multiplexed mpg files.

EDIT: As it seems you have figured it out yourself. If the file created by dgpulldown is not ok, I would consider to use another encoder (which can add the 3:2 pulldown flags during encoding). As already mentioned, TMPGEnc Plus is very good (but a little bit slow and costs some money). HCenc is also very good, but a little bit more complicated to use.