Forrest Gump in 720p on ABC - Sat 2/25 8PM

[Soopafresh]

Original Aspect Ratio. Nice looking transfer. Check it out if it isn't too late.

[lumis]

wow, that is pretty good..

"it happens"

[zoobie]

yeah...that's pretty good

i don't bother recording movies off regular channels anymore because they run ads all the way through it

I don't want to be reminded that Bush is about to give his state of kaos speech 8 years later.

[Soopafresh]

I don't mind the commercials as much as the edits for TV friendly audiences. Comical, really. I feel safer already knowing this swear word was edited out:

[vhelp]

@ Soopafresh

What a coinsidence.. I did several captures w/ my hdtv reciever
when I cought this just as it was comming out at 8pm during my
channel surfing and recording. Anyways.

#1:
I was VERY disapointed with this broadcast, because they *DID*
edit the video. That is, they re-telecined it, from:

24P_FPS_Progessive_Source --> re_Telecined --> 30i_FPS_Inoperatable

There were no stable 3:2 patterns to lock onto and IVTC back to
24P for mpeg-2. I was quite pissed.


#2:
The aspect ratio was screwed up on my hdtv reciever's decoding.
The (ABC) logo was half chopped off on my video, right-side wise.
I'm not sure if this was my hdtv recievers' fault or my fault
for not setting the receiver - don't think there was such a setting
to change 16:9 <-> 4:3 modes on the cheap unit.


#3:
But, my Analog Cable was airing this broadcast in FullScreen mode.

(I wanted to test weather or not *this* broadcast was going to be
successfully IVTC'able, but I got lazy while the Olympics got the
better of me and I ran out of time to bother. But I really wanted
to, just to see if my theory was correct, that they will alter certain
sources planned for broadcasting and re-telecine it, rendering it
inoperable for IVTC)

It amazes me how they are *seemingly* going this route these days.
I mean. I also did a capture of "The Fifth Element" which was
broadcasted on TNT late last night, and I noticed in some of the
test encode I did on this, where they re-telecined it (there way of
editing it) and the 3:2 pattern would interuped only at dramatic
scene-changes. fwiw, I didn't do a thorough analysis of this on
the whole source. Just only what I had quickly observed.


Now, regarding HDTV sources and the (theory on) new approach to
re-telecine them..

I'm wondering if this is was to expect with hdtv sources now and
in the future. Will they take on this approach and with everything
else, or only for widescreen sources or what-have-you.

I'll be keeping an eye out for this and other routines employed to
these hdtv sources. About the only measure I see on-going is to
note how these re-telecines are done and see if they are reversable
or not. If they are random, then obviously they won't, or else..

-vhelp 3808

[Soopafresh]

Indeed. I've read a number of posts about ABC's 720p movies being hit or miss to restore back to 23.976fps.

The Olympics suffered from low bitrate problems which resulted in macroblocks during bright (aka outside) and fast moving scenes.

[vhelp]

If you don't mind my talking out loud, for a moment..

One of the nice things I notice rather quickly with these HDTV sources
was with the fact that when I proceeded to encode them using their
broadcasted fps, ie.. 30i** (29.970i) the quality produced was, IMHO,
excellent. In fact, I was lead to the point of equivalent to a dvd
rip scenario. But, since I don't have an hdtv setup for capturing just
the .TS (a version similar to a dvd rip) I cannot test this out for
quality comparisons.

** when I say 30i, I mean those videos who were Telecined at some
point, but not refering to those who are "all interlace".


For non-IVTC capable, sources from HDTV mediums ...

In fact, I am now considering encoding these types of sources (MPEG-2)
"as they are" when they are 30i during capturing and not IVTC do-able.

I had tested this out (so far) on several broadcasted videos, such as
commercials, mainly those whom are widescreen - cause they look and have
the feeling of seeming better to my dreary eyes.

Even "all interlace" sources from hdtv look great. I did a few tests
on some commercials, and they looked really great to me.

Course, in all these tests I ran, I use TMPGenc to encode.. cause it's
my favorite MPEG-2 encoder

Last, fwiw..

I will be keeping an extra ee out on those broadcasts (widescreens)
to see if they are IVTC worthy or have introduced new "jimmies" into the
mix.. such as last weeks' movie, "Forrest Gump"


PS: fwiw, I did all my Olympic recordings to standard VHS tapes and all
in EP mode - 6hr mode, +/- two days per tape. I had to make this comprimise
in an effort to not have to worry about watching-and-pausing throughout
the entire Olympics. All this from Analog Cable. The good news about all
this, was the fact that the source was all clean - no pixelations in fast
motional scenes.

Thanks for listening..
-vhelp 3809

[lumis]

If you don't mind my talking out loud, for a moment..

Thanks for listening..
-vhelp 3809

NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERD!

but seriously, thanks for the info

[Conquest10]

The Olympics suffered from low bitrate problems which resulted in macroblocks during bright (aka outside) and fast moving scenes.

Yeah, that was horrible.

Damn, I missed Gump in OAR. I did catch it the other day (or was it last year?) when it was on TNT. Cropped to 16x9. I wonder whose decision it is on the AR. Lately I've been seeing movies on HBO in the OAR and also Universal HD shows them all at that.

[vhelp]

From what I have been noticing lately on Saturday ABC p.m. movie programs..

It is becomming increasingly anticipated that Saturday nights' (ABC)
movies (for HDTV sources) are being broadcasted in 16x9 Widescreen format,
but for tipical Analog Cable/Satellite, they are 4:3 Fullscreen format.

Again, I saw this with the latest movie, "A Beautiful Mind".

Only this time, my hdtv receiver did not have any trouble showing it in
16x9 Widescreen format - recalling last weeks trouble with the ABC logo
being cut off mid-way on my screen.

This last nights' movie broadcast, the logo was properly positioned.

Also, fwiw notching here.. this sources Telecine was fairly clean, on some
of the video clips I ran quick tests on. I did notice that those areas
that were not IVTC able (or gave hickups to) were on account of it being
signal related.. (to be discussed later, in next post below this one)

-vhelp 3821

[Conquest10]

I was just watching this on TNTHD. It was cropped to 16:9. Its funny how the "IT HAPPENS" sticker is edited so it doesn't look like there is something there that they removed. There's no gaping space before "IT".