Me and a m8 tryede to do a dvd with 10x CCE and Clonedvd but?

[Eldas]

Hey all out there. Sorry if my engilsh is kinda bad but im danish. Im here becurse me and a m8 tryed to compare a dvd copy of Star Wars 1 with 10x CCE and Clone dvd.
But when we see the Bitrate in BitrateWiver it is kinda the same?
I dont understand.
Okay now i will poste som facs:
CloneDvd info:
Picture Compression (downsampeld) : 59 %
Audio compression (downsampeld) : 65 %
I cant rember the bitrate but up 3000 (Pretty good for clone dvd but the audio is downsampeld alot)
Okay find so far
And the CCE copy (Rebuilder) Was over 3000 aswel but here there has not been doing enything to the audio (removed DTS) so thats fine. But what have we done roung? Can it really bee tru that clonedvd can make a nearly same copy of a movie as good as with CCE? I have a link for the guide we have jused (My m8 made a danish one out of it) (http://www.doom9.org/)

We have done what they have righting in the guide (thanks to them for the guide)
I have also tryed with alot of outher programs (from here) to get the bitrate but some of them dont work or have a vired bitrate number.

So can some of you plz help us?
Just ask if you want more info or somthing you dont understand

Thanks
Regards Eldas

[drag2f2f]

The bitrate doesn't give you information on how good the picture looks it will give you an idea of how large the movie is by multiplying the bitrate by length of the movie. The CCE will probably look better if you actually view it.

[Eldas]

Okay thanks for the reply. But when i watch it on the computer in powerdvd i cant see a diffrence?
I dont not if you now but alot of release groups right the bitrate to show the Quality?

Eldas

[manono]

The bitrate used doesn't have much to do with the quality. Different sources compress differently. If you know about release groups, then you also know that they forbid the use of transcoders. That rule is there for a reason.

[Eldas]

transcoders? Okay then what has then eneything to do with the Q?

Thanks
ELdas

[manono]

Transcoders are sometimes known as 1-click tools, like DVD Shrink. They don't reencode the source, but just requantize it to shrink it.

Okay then what has then eneything to do with the Q?

I didn't quite understand that question, but if you're asking if the average Q is more important than the bitrate, then the answer is yes. For example, the Star Wars 1, being digital (I think) and very clean, could very well look quite good with a bitrate of 3000, and have a decent ave quant. An older and grainier full screen movie might look like crap at that bitrate. And, since Clone DVD will keep the original matrix from the DVD, if you run both versions through Bit Rate Viewer, I expect it'll have a much higher ave Q when compared to the CCE reencoded version, using the default Standard matrix.

By the way, that movie is only a little over 2 hours long. If you dropped the DTS track, why is your bitrate so low? I haven't worked with that movie, as I consider it unbearably bad, but why so low? Is the menu very big? Did you keep some extras in addition to the movie?

[Eldas]

Hehe okay thanks. I mean Q is Quality.
There is no extra on the disk one so i just removed the DTS and directos audio.
Yea i just runed the clonedvd program to compare the copys.
Yea the menu is about 6-700 mb. And there is about 4 angels.
So what do you think we shall do?

Eldas

[manono]

I was using Q to mean Quant, as in average quant. It's a better indication of quality than the average bitrate, I think.

You could remove all the angles but one using DVDRemake Pro or IFOEdit, but I think your main problem is that menu. I wouldn't have any problem shrinking the heck out of it using MenuShrink. Not everyone likes to do that, but if the main concern is the movie video quality, I'd try and get that menu size down. You can shrink as much or as little of it as you want. For example, you could keep the opening motion menu, and still the rest of it easily using MenuShrink.

[dimad]

If there is any processing done with DvdReMake then there is no need to use another app to shrink menus - DvdReMake can do it as well.