Question about Dubbing on the DMR-ES40V

[kbRenePerez]

My dad just purchased this the other day to help Dub(transfer) VHS tapes to DVD. My dad said he has a bit of a problem not getting all of the footage on the DVD but I had a problem of my own when I tried using it.

Well I have a question about why the Recorder Divides your footage into different titles. I'd rather want the whole tape on 1 title. Is there a way to just have the Transfer record everything in 1 title instead of 3 or more?

[kbRenePerez]

any help??

[kbRenePerez]

why isnt anyone helping?

[KeepItSimple]

I'm not sure exactly how the Panasonic DVD recorders with a VCR work but on my Panasonic DVD Recorders (no VCR) I get a new title every time I stop recording if I press STOP. If I press PAUSE between recordings instead it will stay in the same title.
Try that!

[kbRenePerez]

I'm not sure exactly how the Panasonic DVD recorders with a VCR work but on my Panasonic DVD Recorders (no VCR) I get a new title every time I stop recording if I press STOP. If I press PAUSE between recordings instead it will stay in the same title.
Try that!

That is not the problem, thx for trying to help. I know if you stop recording it will change titles but if you pause it will stay with the same title, but thats not the problem. My new dvd recorder/vhs player transferer is confusing. I put in my old vhs tape then my blank dvd and press VHS DUB and it starts to transfer the vhs tape to the dvd. But after about 20 minutes the recording process kinda of stops and rewinds a bit then starts to record again, at this point it has a made a new title which I dont understand why it would do. I'd like to have the whole program under 1 title instead of 2 or more.

[kbRenePerez]

uppin' still need help!

[tomwil]

I put in my old vhs tape then my blank dvd and press VHS DUB and it starts to transfer the vhs tape to the dvd. But after about 20 minutes the recording process kinda of stops and rewinds a bit then starts to record again, at this point it has a made a new title which I dont understand why it would do. I'd like to have the whole program under 1 title instead of 2 or more.

After reading the manual (available at Panasonic), on page 55 it states "Dividing a title to be dubbed - In One Touch Transfer (Dubbing) from VHS to DVD, the title is divided by index signal detected and then recorded."

It appears that maybe your DMR-ES40V is picking up some type of index signal from the VHS tape erroneously. In other words, it is mistakingly seeing index signals from your tape, and dividing the program into titles.

I did not see in the manual a way to turn off the indexing (VISS) function. It appears you may have to use another VCR and plug it into your DMR-ES40V using the line inputs (IN1 or IN2) and record to DVD. At least it should not sense any index signals on the tape using this method, and give you the full program on one title.

EDIT: After looking at page 14, you "might" be able to connect the internal VHS to the internal DVD recorder using a common patch cable, and not use the DUB function. You could try to connect the "DVD/VHS Common Out" to "IN1", and play your VHS tape while doing a regular DVD recording (recording on channel IN1) without using the DUB feature. This would bypass the internal linking between the VHS and DVD, and should also not act on any index signals. Just a thought!

[kbRenePerez]

I put in my old vhs tape then my blank dvd and press VHS DUB and it starts to transfer the vhs tape to the dvd. But after about 20 minutes the recording process kinda of stops and rewinds a bit then starts to record again, at this point it has a made a new title which I dont understand why it would do. I'd like to have the whole program under 1 title instead of 2 or more.

After reading the manual (available at Panasonic), on page 55 it states "Dividing a title to be dubbed - In One Touch Transfer (Dubbing) from VHS to DVD, the title is divided by index signal detected and then recorded."

It appears that maybe your DMR-ES40V is picking up some type of index signal from the VHS tape erroneously. In other words, it is mistakingly seeing index signals from your tape, and dividing the program into titles.

I did not see in the manual a way to turn off the indexing (VISS) function. It appears you may have to use another VCR and plug it into your DMR-ES40V using the line inputs (IN1 or IN2) and record to DVD. At least it should not sense any index signals on the tape using this method, and give you the full program on one title.

EDIT: After looking at page 14, you "might" be able to connect the internal VHS to the internal DVD recorder using a common patch cable, and not use the DUB function. You could try to connect the "DVD/VHS Common Out" to "IN1", and play your VHS tape while doing a regular DVD recording (recording on channel IN1) without using the DUB feature. This would bypass the internal linking between the VHS and DVD, and should also not act on any index signals. Just a thought!

W W thank you for your help. I will try this and get back to you about it.

[kbRenePerez]

Cant anyone tell me what an Index Signal is? and why does it break up parts in your recording even if you dont ask it too?

[kbRenePerez]

By the way tomwil what is a common patch cable?

[tomwil]

An index signal is a electronic mark added to a video tape by a VCR to signify the start of a new segment. On my Panasonic PS-8662, it uses these index signals to separate commercials from the programming/show.

When you are using your DUB feature of your VCR/DVD recorder, that DUB process is instructed to look for these index signals, and create a new chapter on the DVD. These instructions are built into the DUB feature, and appears it cannot be turned off. It is supposed to be a convenience feature!

A common patch cord is a composite audio/video cable, as pictured below.

[kbRenePerez]

tomwil do all videotapes have index signals? I dubbed a game a few days ago and it spilt the game in 3 titles again. Then yesterday I dubbed 2 games and amazingly it kept both games in one title, I was pleased.

Do you know whether or not a certain videotape will have index signals?

[tomwil]

Do you know whether or not a certain videotape will have index signals?

Quite impossible to tell if a certain videotape will have index signals. Most (if not all) commercially purchased videotapes should not have index signals. But some home recorded videotapes may have index signals, depending on the VCR. Some modern VCRs use indexing signals while recording so that recorded segments can be rapidly found when played back later.

[SingSing]

I think you can't aviod the index signal with external pathc cable alone. The index signal is most likely on the audio track. Sony VCR also can index the tape, but did not say how ?

[trhouse]

I assume VISS stands for "VHS Index Search System" or something similar. In
any case, VISS and VASS provide the means to mark the start (usually of a
video segment so that it can be accessed quickly later on.

"How standard is this system? My Goldstar VCR has VISS and now I see
reference to an LXI brand with the same system. I've heard of other VCRs
with functionally similar features, but never had the opportunity to try
exchanging tapes. Do they use the same marks? When my Goldstar finally
bites the bullet (beyond my powers to resuscitate it), will the collection
of indexed tapes I've built up be useless, or will another VCR with indexing
features find the marks that Goldstar put on them?"

(From: Ed Ellers (kd4awq@iname.com)).

VISS is a real standard, issued by JVC in 1986. There is also a VASS -- VHS
Address Search System -- using the same techniques, but it was taken off the
market in 1988 after a patent infringement suit by a German company; JVC
settled that case, but VASS never came back (at least not in North America);
JVC later developed a more sophisticated system called CTL Coding, but it's
not used on consumer VCRs over here either. VASS records four-digit codes
instead of a single index mark; CTL coding records an actual time code on
the control track, and also provides for VISS and VASS use.

Incidentally, VISS and VASS work by altering the duty cycle of the 29.97 Hz
square wave recorded on the control track; the servos still work on the
average phase of the signal, but the changes in duty cycle are decoded into
a slow bit stream. Before VISS was developed a number of VHS VCRs had a
different indexing system that recorded a low-frequency signal across the
entire tape, using a special head on an arm that contacted the tape while it
was rewound into the cassette; these index codes could only be placed at the
beginning of a recording and couldn't (then) be read except during rewind
and fast forward modes. Theoretically a modern VCR could be made to read
this signal using the control head, but this would require a special circuit
to be added; I don't know of any VISS-capable decks that can do this, and
given the small number of recordings likely to still exist with the old
index signal it wouldn't seem to be worth the trouble.

[RobertUSM]

If there is a slight break in the tape's control track (one that may not even be noticeable when watching it), then the recorder may stop, record info to the disc and then advance the tape to the next part with a control track and begin recording again.

I've seen an ES35V do this, but so far, my ES40V hasn't done this.

[Jim_Right]

Did you find out what was wrong? Mine has a similar problem. I got some discs off www.topdiscs.co.uk which worked perfectly on 2 pc's but not on the panny. I don't think the discs are at fault as they work fine in the PC.