HD-DVD/ Blu-Ray content to be degraded for analog displays

[edDV]

Who are you planning to sue?

Well you could attempt to make an argument of collusion between industries that constrain innovation and hurt consumers and sue under anti-trust grounds. You'd sue the MPAA/RIAA/CEA. I have no idea if that would have merit or would be appropriate but that's the first thing that comes to mind.

Sounds weak. Would you accept court costs if the judge tossed it out?

[jagabo]

Encrypted HDCP to unencrypted DVI?

http://www.engadget.com/2005/07/21/the-clicker-hdcps-shiny-red-button/

Waste of money. That would get you the same 720x480/576 you would get if the box wasn't in the line. Why do that?

HDCP requires a continuous handshaked connection with proper keys before the HD player sends more than 720x480/576. Analog component connection would at least get you 960x540p (quarter 1080p).

They haven't yet said whether they would offer 960x540 on non-HDCP DVI connections.

"The DVIMAGIC then pretends to be a secure device. Once the DVIMAGIC convinces the playback device to send the signal, it receives the signal, decrypts the signal, and sends a bit-perfect copy of the signal out the other end to your monitor."

From what I've read the keys can be updated at any time.

[edDV]

Encrypted HDCP to unencrypted DVI?

http://www.engadget.com/2005/07/21/the-clicker-hdcps-shiny-red-button/

Waste of money. That would get you the same 720x480/576 you would get if the box wasn't in the line. Why do that?

HDCP requires a continuous handshaked connection with proper keys before the HD player sends more than 720x480/576. Analog component connection would at least get you 960x540p (quarter 1080p).

They haven't yet said whether they would offer 960x540 on non-HDCP DVI connections.

The DVIMAGIC then pretends to be a secure device. Once the DVIMAGIC convinces the playback device to send the signal, it receives the signal, decrypts the signal, and sends a bit-perfect copy of the signal out the other end to your monitor.

Are you believing the advertising hype? I suggest you research how HDCP works. Start with the article you linked.

[mbellot]

I think I found the achilles heal to HDCP.

"Re-authentication occurs approximately every two seconds to continuously confirm the security of the DVI or HDMI interface. If, at any time, re-authentication does not occur, for example by disconnecting a device and/or connecting an illegal recording device, the source device (such as a DVD player or set-top box) ends transmission of encrypted content.

Why do I not see this working very smoothly. I can totally see devices, either through bugs or whatever failing to authenticate and grandma is in the middle of Driving Miss Daisy in full glory of HDTV and then it cuts out with a warning message telling granny she's a pirate because her Toshiba player and Sony TV can't authenticate. Oh I can't wait. I already think the format won't take off for a decade, but if it doesn't work out of the box it will fail immediately.

Let's hope the tech doesn't work under real world conditions. Consumers want their electronics to work. If it acts like a PC, game over.

Even better, with the ability to revoke keys can you imagine the uproar when a Walmart player gets hacked and has its keys revoked?

Grannie is gonna be one pissed AARP member.

[adam]

No each device has a unique number called a KSV and that is what gets revoked. Getting a single dvd player blacklisted will not affect anyone else with that brand/model of player.

[shelbyGT]

So do we have to have these things hooked up to the internet at all times now? Because that's a crock of bull.

[waheed]

So do we have to have these things hooked up to the internet at all times now? Because that's a crock of bull.

According to alot of online sources, YES.

[shelbyGT]

So do we have to have these things hooked up to the internet at all times now? Because that's a crock of bull.

According to alot of online sources, YES.

Well then I am in absolutely no hurry to use them.

[dvdguy4]

So do we have to have these things hooked up to the internet at all times now? Because that's a crock of bull.

According to alot of online sources, YES.

Well then I am in absolutely no hurry to use them.

Ditto. Isnt that kind of invasion of property? Dont we have our rights? Well maybe not in the States.

[edDV]

So do we have to have these things hooked up to the internet at all times now? Because that's a crock of bull.

According to alot of online sources, YES.

Well then I am in absolutely no hurry to use them.

Ditto. Isnt that kind of invasion of property? Dont we have our rights? Well maybe not in the States.

The HD DVD is not under any specific government control. Don't confuse it with broadcasting over the air. There is an existing right to timeshift broadcasts and there is a law that makes it illegal to break digital copy protection. That applies to existing DVD products. Nothing new with HD.

This product is purely commercial and will succeed of fail based on commercial success.

No reason to expect the product offering to differ in the various countries.

[Marco33]

I'd like to find it as I have an older HD set that only has component inputs.

I'm in the same boat.

Although I'm not that upset. I don't see how I can get excited about a new format when there are poorly treansfered dvd's coming out now. Why should I feel things will get better when HDDVD & BRAY come out.

[edDV]

I'd like to find it as I have an older HD set that only has component inputs.

I'm in the same boat.

Although I'm not that upset. I don't see how I can get excited about a new format when there are poorly treansfered dvd's coming out now. Why should I feel things will get better when HDDVD & BRAY come out.

The new 4kx2k and 19201080p transfers are using much better equipment than has been used in the past for DVD. Many D1 transfers were done from analog or YUV 4:2:2 flying spot scanners at 720x480/576.

Current digital transfers are done to a 4kx4k or 4kx2k RGB 4:4:4 database. 1920x1080p "data" or brodacast tapes (1080i, 720p, 480i, 480p) are downscaled from those masters.

[Marco33]

I'd like to find it as I have an older HD set that only has component inputs.

I'm in the same boat.

Although I'm not that upset. I don't see how I can get excited about a new format when there are poorly treansfered dvd's coming out now. Why should I feel things will get better when HDDVD & BRAY come out.

The new 4kx2k and 19201080p transfers are using much better equipment than has been used in the past for DVD. Many D1 transfers were done from analog or YUV 4:2:2 flying spot scanners at 720x480/576.

Current digital transfers are done to a 4kx4k or 4kx2k RGB 4:4:4 database. 1920x1080p "data" or brodacast tapes (1080i, 720p, 480i, 480p) are downscaled from those masters.

There are better ways to do it, I don't deny that, I just doubt they will use them.

[edDV]

I'd like to find it as I have an older HD set that only has component inputs.

I'm in the same boat.

Although I'm not that upset. I don't see how I can get excited about a new format when there are poorly treansfered dvd's coming out now. Why should I feel things will get better when HDDVD & BRAY come out.

The new 4kx2k and 19201080p transfers are using much better equipment than has been used in the past for DVD. Many D1 transfers were done from analog or YUV 4:2:2 flying spot scanners at 720x480/576.

Current digital transfers are done to a 4kx4k or 4kx2k RGB 4:4:4 database. 1920x1080p "data" or brodacast tapes (1080i, 720p, 480i, 480p) are downscaled from those masters.

There are better ways to do it, I don't deny that, I just doubt they will use them.

98% of current displays won't notice the difference. In 5 years, maybe 20% will see an advantage.

[jagabo]

There are better ways to do it, I don't deny that, I just doubt they will use them.

They have to leave a market for the Super High Def Collectors Edition release a few years later! LOL

[CaptainVideo]

Who are you planning to sue?

Well you could attempt to make an argument of collusion between industries that constrain innovation and hurt consumers and sue under anti-trust grounds. You'd sue the MPAA/RIAA/CEA. I have no idea if that would have merit or would be appropriate but that's the first thing that comes to mind.

Sounds weak. Would you accept court costs if the judge tossed it out?

Of course not, but that's because I don't have boatloads of money. If I was a wealthy person with deep pockets I'd give it a shot after consulting a lawyer

[edDV]

There are better ways to do it, I don't deny that, I just doubt they will use them.

They have to leave a market for the Super High Def Collectors Edition release a few years later! LOL

There's always 4kx2K or 4kx4k. To watch that SHD-CE DVD they'll require an armed escort and security guards on site