6 hours of high quality AVI compressed to1 DVD?

[edDV]

6 hrs of good quality avi can be converted to one DVD with crappy quality using much effort and computer resource.

First step in the effort is to show us that you have read the guides, gave it a try and come back when you are having some specific difficulty.

[jimmalenko]

6 hrs of good quality avi can be converted to one DVD with crappy quality using much effort and computer resource.

First step in the effort is to show us that you have read the guides, gave it a try and come back when you are having some specific difficulty.

I *think* he's having specific difficulty reading the guides ... any remedy for that ?

[edDV]

6 hrs of good quality avi can be converted to one DVD with crappy quality using much effort and computer resource.

First step in the effort is to show us that you have read the guides, gave it a try and come back when you are having some specific difficulty.

I *think* he's having specific difficulty reading the guides ... any remedy for that ?

Most local libraries have adult remedial reading classes.
http://www.plsinfo.org/whats_happening/adult_literacy_progs.htm

[FulciLives]

Most local libraries have adult remedial reading classes.
http://www.plsinfo.org/whats_happening/adult_literacy_progs.htm

LOL

That's funny

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[maca]

Though there's NO program which can guarantee good looking video at 6 hours per disc, the best way I've found is to use TMPGEnc's vcd template, unlocked so that you can change the bitrate to 1246 and the audio to dvd-compliant 48K. Set "soften block noise", and put motion search to highest quality, and what you get isn't too shabby.

For instance, I download a lot of (legal) movies from www. archive.org, which is a site full of public domain stuff. I like the old westerns there, and have used the above method to create discs of these old westerns which are, in some cases, seven hours long. Of course I wouldn't want The Godfather Trilogy looking like this, but for a bunch of Hopalong Cassidy and Roy Rogers movies from the 30s, it's good enough, better than a vhs at EP mode. I've made copies for some friends who like these old creakers, and their jaw drops when they see how long the disc is, and how relatively good it looks.

[lordsmurf]

i have some downloaded AVI files

I was going to give some suggestions on how you could futilely attempt to to squish 6 hours on a disc, but the method requires high quality source to start with. What you've got here is crap to start with, so you're only going to make it worse.

I just noticed that.

[matvangogh]

thank u maca thats alot easier to under stand thats basically what im trying to do
ive explained it many times that i wasnt looking for 6 hrs of DVD quality on a dvd5
i know thats impossible
all i meant was getting the best possible bitrate and fitting it as best ic ant on a dvd5 ( as long as its better at least slightyl better than VCD quality , im happy)
but i wasnt sure how to set the bitrate
im new at this i wasnt even sure alot of the terminology here
thats why im in the newbie discussion forums
ive done alot of vcd converting
i would encode anythign to mpeg-1 and then burn using nero
but puting 4-6 hours seems more problematic

i tried earlie today to convert my avi file to mpeg using tmpgenc,like i said it didntwork
i will use oss video converter and convert it to mpeg with the bitrate you said and then try and burn 4hours to a dvd
ill let u all know how it goes
thank u again
PS i bought a 40G portable hard drive anyway today im sure i will need it.

[matvangogh]

i just took about a 3.5 hour avi and convtered it using sonic my dvd and put it on my brand new hard drive

the folder size is over 16 GB

when i try to use dvd shrink the compression ratio is 28% and stil it is 6.6G
which cant fit on a dvdR

so i dont understand this
how come when u try to use a computer its difficult to fit adecent picture onto a DVD5, but when i try to use my dvd recorder on my tv set that could easily fit 4 hours of good quality video 6 hrs of fair quuality and 8 hrs of barely decent quality
what is the dvd recorder doing that all the other computer programs are not?

[Nelson37]

It is intelligently creating the settings and using software designed for the task, neither of which you are doing.

One More Time - Get a bitrate calculator. This will tell you EXACTLY what bitrate to use to get the video to fit on one disk. No need to ask for someone's opinion everytime you get a different length of video.

You have TMPGenc. You NEED TO READ SOME GUIDES.

Load the video into VdubMod, strip the audio to WAV, use the AVI for video and the WAV for audio in TMPGenc, set the bitrate from the calculator, and there you are. Encode it right the first time and there is no need for Shrink.

STOP using Sonic to encode. START reading the detailed, well thought out guides complete with pictures and everything.

[jimmalenko]

In short:

YOU ARE USING A CRAP PROGRAM TO CONVERT FROM AVI TO DVD.

[FulciLives]

Not only can you not read the guides but you can't even read your own thread. On page one I mention what wizard mode option and bitrates to use with TMPGEnc Plus yet based on your recent remark to maca you seem to have overlooked that.

What's worse is you thanked maca for his/her comments on TMPGEnc Plus then came back in your very next post bitching about Sonic My DVD not working correctly.

Man you are pissing me off.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[jagabo]

Size = Time * Bitrate

For example: 3600 seconds (1 hour), times 8,000,000 bits per second (8000 kbps), equals 28,800,000,000 bits. Divide by 8 to get bytes: 3,600,000,000 bytes, or 3.6 GB. (Remember you need to leave room on your DVD for audio too.)

The bigger the frame size, the more bitrate you need to maintain quality. Or conversely, the smaller the frame size, the lower the bitrate you can use without obliterating the picture quality. DVD supports only three sizes for NTSC: 720x480, 352x480, and 352x240.

Roughly, for a 4.7 GB DVD use:

1 hour: 720x480, 8000 kbps
2 hours: 720x480, 4000 kbps
4 hours: 352x480, 2000 kbps
8 hours: 352x240, 1000 kbps

If you have eight hour long episodes and you want them all on one DVD encode them at 352x240, each at 1000 kbps.

As others have said, use a bitrate calculator to get the exact bitrate to use for any particular running time.

[edDV]

matvangogh,

Maybe you missed this point.

The DVD recorder is working from a "broadcast quality" source. By that I mean the best quality reaching the home. Quality of the input results in the best quality compression. That is why commercial HDTV and DVD authors go back to the best source file. These are often the 4kx4k digital theater masters.

You are starting from a thin extremely compressed source intended only for viewing, not reprocessing. You, my friend, are trying to make a steak from yesterday's gravy.

[matvangogh]

FulciLives i thanked maca becuase he gave me some good advice but then i decided to buy a harddrive anyway becuase i needed one not only to convert but for other things

and my sonic dvd worked fine for other things but not for a 4 hour avi file becuase i was out of hard drive space!

so now i got a 40gb hard drive and i tried to use the sonic again, understand me now? and i assumed that the dvd shrink would fit a 3 hour avi onto a dvd with no problem but i see it can only compress it so much

im sorry i am pissing anyone off but this is a NEWBIE discussion ok and i am a newbie
i said before i am new to creating dvds ok
and i dont know much about bitrates
the terminology is all very new to me
i was using sonic a while and it seems to work on until now

even when reading the guides on Videohelp theres tons of programs and when they do one thing for u they dont do another
its shame they dont have a single program that can do everything for u and work out fine
from what i hear just about every one of the all in one programs , they will do one thing great and then do another thing lousy

as far as tmpegenc, i tried to encode an avi and somethign is going wrong it wont set up audio for some reason in the project wizard,
also it said something abotu the file being too big or something

SO i used oss converter and dropped the bitrate to 1500
that converted it to an mpeg -2 file

so now i have to figure out how to take an mpeg-2 convert it to a dvd folder and then perhap dvd shrink might work then
or i start all over and use a bitrate calculator

thank you all again and i am sorry if i upset anyone ok

[jagabo]

how come when u try to use a computer its difficult to fit adecent picture onto a DVD5, but when i try to use my dvd recorder on my tv set that could easily fit 4 hours of good quality video 6 hrs of fair quuality and 8 hrs of barely decent quality
what is the dvd recorder doing that all the other computer programs are not?

The DVD recorder is automatically adjusting the frame size and bit rate to fit the requested amount of time on a DVD. Sonic My DVD looks like it's simply using a 9000 kbps CBR with probably a full 720x480. You need to tell it to use other settings for the frame size and bitrate. That's all!!!

[matvangogh]

i have sonic mydvd 5 that came with my dell laptop this year
no settings on that at all
i will try TDA i think i might get this to work
thank u all again

[8-ball]

Hey , Just use Nero Vision Express and use the burn at once option. It'll compress and burn the avis to a 4.7 gb dvd in one step and give descent quality.It takes about 4 hrs. to complete but it's worth the wait. You can even add animated menus and chapters to your dvd.

[jimmalenko]

NeroVision Express is just as bad IMHO as a lot of the other "all-in-one" programs.

The problem here is that you're missing the fundamental that there are actually two steps - encoding and authoring - that MyDVD is doing for you. TDA won't be able to help you at all with reducing the size, as it is just authoring software. You would need to use it in conjunction with an encoder (TMPGEnc Plus or CCE for example).

It during is the encoding process where you set bitrates that then define the size of the project. If I haven't linked to it already, http://members.dood.net.au/~jimmalenko/AVI2DVD.htm teaches you a few of these fundamentals, as well as guiding you through using TMPGEnc Plus. You really shouldn't need to (nor should you really want to) use DVDShrink at all. Re-encode to correct specs with correct bitrate, then author. It truly is that simple.

[matvangogh]

8-ball do u mean to say is if i add a 4 hour avi or mpeg
can i add either an mpeg1 or 2 ?

and then then it simply encodes and burns in 1 step to a DVD5?( 4.7G)?
how many hours have you tried to put on there and how well did they come out
6 hrs?

[jimmalenko]

Good luck

[lordsmurf]

its shame they dont have a single program that can do everything for u and work out fine
from what i hear just about every one of the all in one programs , they will do one thing great and then do another thing lousy

Quit being lazy.

Video is about as complicated as a whole computer. Compare this situation to Windows OS. Would you ever use Wordpad for typing important papers? Would you use Paint for advanced graphics work? For most intelligent folks, the answers would not only be "no" but a resounding "hell no!"

Video should not be any different. Use a piece of software that is geared toward each separate task: capturing, editing, filtering, encoding, authoring, burning, etc ... whatever is needed. There is too much code needed for perfect all-in-one software to exist, and even if did there is not enough resources to run it.

[guns1inger]

If you need proof, look at the contenders

WinAVI
DVD Santa
NeroVision

and so on.

[8-ball]

8-ball do u mean to say is if i add a 4 hour avi or mpeg
can i add either an mpeg1 or 2 ?

and then then it simply encodes and burns in 1 step to a DVD5?( 4.7G)?
how many hours have you tried to put on there and how well did they come out
6 hrs?

I've put whole seasons of X-men animated on one disc and the quality came out pretty good. Just remember, if for some odd reason the project won't fit onto one disc, write it to hard disc 1st and then shrink it and burn it. I've done it plenty of times. Nero Vision is the way!

[guns1inger]

Quality is definately in the eye of the beholder. One man's 'pretty good' is another man's 'too low'

[8-ball]

Quality is definately in the eye of the beholder. One man's 'pretty good' is another man's 'too low'

Hey dude, read the thread starters other post. He said he'd be happy with svcd or near vcd quality. Nero Vision will be fine.

[guns1inger]

I've been following this since it started. It has been one of the funniest posts since Gurm left our hallowed shores.

My comment simply means that to some, VCD quality is low quality. If he is happy, great.

[8-ball]

That's funny. Ha!

[8-ball]

Hey guns1inger, just curios, what's your encoder of choice?

[guns1inger]

Either CCE or ProCoder, depending on the material, and the time I have to encode.

[matvangogh]

thank you for all the help guys
i finally figured this out
i took almost 4 hours of video on AVI, i converted it tmpgenc ( set to dvd low resolution in project wizard and i set the audio to CBR mpeg-1 layer II audio -mp2) to an mpeg-2 that was 352 X240
with a bitrate of 2000

then i used tmpgenc DVD author . for some reason that tells me i can fit over 3 hrs on a single disc( compared to sonic dvd which with dvd size meter claims a 1.3 hr movie takes up almost the entire DVD5)
the problem is i had to encode everything to the same resolution

i was left with a 7GB dvd folder on my hard drive
then i just compressed that with DVD Shrink to make another dvd folder that was around 4.36G
then all i did was burn that folder to DVD5

it came out good. looks like SVCD quality on my tv but on a dvd
im happy
many thanks to everyone you all your help!