New DVD recorder need some advice...on Editing/Burning

[ajslash]

Hello everyone, new member here....I just need some advice that has to do with my new Dvd Recorder. I got a LG DVD/VHS Combo recorder for christmas (model: LGVR435), and it's been working great but...I'm having some trouble deciding what the best way is to edit my videos. What I will be using the recorder for primarily is converting VHS to DVD, and I will also be using it to record tv shows (with commercials, I have cable TV). Now my problem is I like being able to edit my DVD RW discs on my player but I have to use VR mode, but I'm aware a lot of regular DVD players are not capable of playing DVD RW in VR mode (2/4 of my dvd player wouldn't play VR discs). Now when I record the VR disc and then put it into my DVD RW drive on my computer (LiteOn) it has the .vro file and an .ifo file (no VOB), I can successfully make a copy of the disc using Nero, but I couldn't figure out a way to reauthour the .vro file (i couldn't split the audio and video for tmpgenc) and then put it on a DVD +R disc. I did manage to authour with Tmpgenc dvd authour after making the audio .mp2 using ffmpeggui but the audio was way out of sync on the DVD. I've looked all over this site for a way to do this and I know there are ways but I couldn't seem to figure it out. I do know there is something called demultiplexing (or something like that) which I think does what I need to do but I couldn't figure it out, I think that's my main problem*****, because once I've got the .vro file into a Mpeg video and .mp2 I should be fine. I've been using the site for the past couple years and it's been a lot of help, any suggestions?? Sorry about the long post, thanks in advance.

[ajslash]

I just realized there is almost an identical post below mine, with the same problem....but my main question is just how to turn a .vro file into mpeg video and .mp2 audio so I can edit and reauthour. I know if I write .mpg onto the end of the file and then its mpeg video, but where do I go from there
....Actually I think converting the .vro (or .mpg) file to .avi will be better for editing (read other post) so once I do that I know how to convert/author to .vob files to put on a new DVD. How do I do this?

[VideoJockey2002]

I just got the LG LRA-516 Recorder/Player so I'm encountering the same problem.

I know that Nero 7 can convert those *.vro files and so can CyberLink Power Producer.

When I am going to initialize a disc with my LG, it asks if I want to use DVD-VR or DVD-Video. Doesn't yours? If I know that I'm going to edit on my computer, I choose the DVD-Video mode. That keeps the files in formats I'm prepared to manage.

[pchan]

For LG DVD recorder, DVD-R or DVD-RW, you have a choice of VR or Video mode. VR mode can only play back on your LG recoder whereas Video mode can play on any standalone DVD palyer.

As for editing your recorded video, I find best to use a DVD-RW and format it to VR mode. Transfer your video clip to you DVD-RW using fast dubbing. Copy your video to you hard disk and change the .VRO to MPG. Use Womble MPEG-VCR(THE best ! ) to edit you video clips. Author it to DVD using TDA or DVDLab or any other authoring software and burn to it DVD using any burning software e.g. Nero or RecordNow.

[ZippyP.]

Editting video from a recorder: https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=224833

[ajslash]

Oh yah when a DVD -RW disc is inserted I'm always prompted to use VR or Video mode, but like I said I like edit out commercials on the recorder which I can only use with VR. I was surprised to see my PS2 could play the VR disc.

pchan - Yah I figured recording all my stuff to DVD-RW first is a good idea because once it's on my computer I just put it on a DVD+R disc so it will play on the majority of players, and then of course erase the DVD-RW disc and reuse it over and over.
Ok so I know how to copy to the hard disk, and change it to .mpg. And tommorow I'll try using Womble to edit, and then authour it with with TDA (That's Tmpgenc DVD authour right? Just making sure...) ..Once I'm finished editing with Womble does it work the same was as TMPGenc and create a mpeg video file and a wave audio file (.mp2)??? Because those are the two files I need to authour it with TDA correcT??.....If you could answer those last couple questions that would be great, oh and I'll use Nero to write to the dvd, thanks for the replys.

[ajslash]

ZippyP - Thanks I've spent quite a long time looking through all those but nothing seemed to be working for me...or I just couldn't figure it out. My videos aren't in VOB files they are in .vro (or .mpg) which I think is what most of those tutorials begin with.

[pchan]

TDA is TMPGEnc DVD Author. The .VRO file is MPEG2 format. The beauty of Womble MPEG-VCR is that it does all the editing in MPEG2 format. Once you are done with your editing, just press the red record button and it will stream (no encoding) to a new MPEG2 file at high speed. If you use export mode in Womble, it will encode to a new MPEG2 file... very very slow indeed. As for the audio, it will be whatever format from the DVD recorder. In the case, MPEG2 editing, Womble has an advantage i.e. it's ablility to stream to MPEG2 at high speed. TMPGEnc only encode to MPEG2.

So, take the output from Womble MPEG-VCR and feed it to TDA. There is no need to go through TMPGEnc.

[VideoJockey2002]

I see you can sometimes get away with simply renaming *.vro to *.vob but there could be mix-ups if editing was done on the recorder. Looks like simple renaming could also cause mix-ups if angles and scene choices were authored into a *.vro file.

I see that TMPGEnc Author can manage *.vro files in version 1.6 onward. Only an $11 upgrade (U.S.) to get to 1.6 from 1.5. That sounds like the route I'll take.

[ajslash]

Thanks Pchan I'll try that today and tell you how it went....thanks again.

[ajslash]

Ok I'm in MPEG-VCR but I don't see a red record button anywhere...should I be using MPEG Video Wizard instead?

All I'm really trying to do with the .vro file is make it into some regular vob files and put it on a dvd r so it will play on all dvd players. But I need to make seperate video and audio files for TDA right??

[LloydAZ]

Okay, here's what I do with the VRO files from my DVD recorder:

1. Do not edit the disc in the recorder, just leave it as-is.
2. Copy the VRO file to the hard drive on my computer.
3. Rename the VRO file to VOB
4. Run DVD2AVI. Downsample the audio to a WAV file (My recorder records the audio as 2-channel AC3.)
5. Load the D2V and WAV file into TMPGENC.
6. Cut out the commercials using the source range function in TMPGENC.
7. Encode the new video.

I also use the "clip frame" function in TMPGENC to remove black bars in letterboxed videos and re-encode as 16:9 video.

This might not be the best method, but it works pretty good for me.

Take Care,
Lloyd

[ZippyP.]

This might not be the best method...

It may be the best for you but I can see 2 problems:

1. You're re-encoding the video which drops the quality.
2. Re-encoding is very slow.

To each their own though.

[pchan]

Ok I'm in MPEG-VCR but I don't see a red record button anywhere...should I be using MPEG Video Wizard instead?
TDA right??

YES ! Use MPEG Video Wizard !

The red button at the lower right hand corner !

[ajslash]

Lloyd what's the point of recording in VR mode (and getting a .vro file) when you aren't going to edit on the player? In video mode the file are .vob, oh I get it so easier to edit on the computer...I see, I think.

pchan....I've never used this Womble program before and I can't even figure out how to delete a segment, and I can't press the record button because it's not lit up...what am I doing wrong, is there a faq on this program...I tried the help but it didn't help.

[pchan]

Go here and download the pdf manual..(PDF manual for MPEG Video Wizard)

http://www.mpegvideowizard.com/mvw/mvw.pdf

TYou can only trim on left and right end. Once you have finished trimming, just drag and drop the trimmed clip from Input screen back to your Video folder. Right-click to close clip on your Input screen. Drag & drop your .VRO to the Input and continue to trim your next segment. Once, you are done, just drag and drop your trimmed clips on the timeline. You can leave 6 seconds gap and drop in some nice transition provided. Press the RED button.

[LloydAZ]

Lloyd what's the point of recording in VR mode (and getting a .vro file) when you aren't going to edit on the player? In video mode the file are .vob, oh I get it so easier to edit on the computer...I see, I think.

The recorder defaults RW discs to VR mode. I could initialize the disc in video mode, I just never tried.

Editing on the computer seems much more natural to me. It's easier to point and click with a mouse and keyboard than trying to edit something using a remote control.

I've never tried editing on the recorder. One of these days I'll have to try it for the heck of it.

If I want to keep something that I've recorded, I want to convert it to a format that I can watch on any of my DVD players, that's why I reencode the disc. Also, it allows me to remove commercials and crop out blackbars on widescreen programs and make them anamorphic widescreen so they will play properly on my widescreen TV.

Yes, reencoding takes longer and causes loss in video quality, but if it's something that I'm really concerned about quality, I'll just buy the DVD and get the best quality.

[mluster]

Hi. VideoJockey mentioned, "I know that Nero 7 can convert those *.vro files". Coiincidentally, I have been struggling trying to figure out how to do exactly that in Nero 7. I am not even sure which part of Nero 7 to use to do so. Does anyone know what part of Nero 7 to use, and if so, how to get it to read in a .vro file and how to convert it so it can go onto a standard DVD-R? (I am trying to use Nero 7 to convert a DVD-Ram which was recorded on a Panasonic DVD recorder.) Thanks!