Sony is at it Again - This times it's SunnComm

[SCDVD]

They just don't quit do they?

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5984764.html?tag=nl.e589

[junkmalle]

"Sony is not alone in shipping the MediaMax software. Around 30 other labels use it, according to the EFF..."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/07/sony_cd_security/

[ViRaL1]

I hope my shift key still works.

[ROF]

I still say they leave the current protections schemes in place and put a warning label on the disc that it's not designed for CD-ROM computer usage with a disclaimer that such usage as at the end users own risk.

In that way, they achieve the copy protection they desire while at the same time remove themselves from prosecution resulting from misuse of the media.

[INFRATOM]

on this page http://sonybmg.com/mediamax/titles.html there is a blue like UV glare that hurts the eye , is it on mine only or others can see that too?

[RottenFoxBreath]

jeez,autoplay-DISABLE.
problem solved......for everyone.

[ROF]

Most people enjoy the experience of autoplay and do not have it disabled by default.

[ROF]

on this page http://sonybmg.com/mediamax/titles.html there is a blue like UV glare that hurts the eye , is it on mine only or others can see that too?

Ouch, I see this as well.

[Rich86]

The most important part of this post is the link to the list of non-standard/virus infected cd titles.
Just do not buy any of them - watch how fast Sony refocuses on quality products and customer service and support.
I always check to see if a cd title I am interested in is polluted with any of this Sony inflicted virus software. If it is - I do not buy. Even though I know how to avoid and get around the malicious software included on the disc. I just do not want the disc around the house or office where some unsuspecting person can pollute their computer accidentally.

[ROF]

The simple solution is to buy a $10 CD player.

[SCDVD]

I still say they leave the current protections schemes in place and put a warning label on the disc that it's not designed for CD-ROM computer usage with a disclaimer that such usage as at the end users own risk.

In that way, they achieve the copy protection they desire while at the same time remove themselves from prosecution resulting from misuse of the media.

ROF, I have to believe that you are on our side and that you really aren't a member of the dark side. You comments are sometimes so outrageous that they couldn't possibly be from a rational mind. The only conclusion that I can draw is that you say some of these things for effect and to stir things up while you really have your tongue in your cheek.

NOTHING gives Sony the right to invade someone's computer and do destructive things and spy (phone home with STOLEN information) as well as leave the computer vulnerable to other nefarious sorts. Playing a CD in a computer is reasonable and normal use. Disclaimers are inadequate to "protect" the manufacturer from damage claims from this sort of invasion of property.

Since your hometown is having problems with Pedophiles, I am going to suggest to your local police that he "invade" your house and put a surveillance camera in your bedroom just in case you are engaging in Pedophilia. And then he can just put a disclaimer on your property tax bill that citizens may have cameras in their house and if you want to avoid any possible problems, all you have to do is not use your house!

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

[ROF]

Left to it's own devices, the current Sony Rootkit does nothing more than copy protect the content. It's the potential for it's abuse by others that has caused such an uproar. Don't blame Sony for doing destructive things to your computer. If you operate without a firewall and anti-virus software your net connected machine could be experiencing worse threats.

Just for the record I have three security cameras in my house and I'm considering a fourth. Also I'm not from the dark side, I just agree with most of what the corporations are trying to do. There sole existence is based on IP. Our video experience depends on them providing it. In today's environment it's no longer just some kids trading tapes and such. It's on a much larger scale and even though quite a few may not be involved in this it's because of the few who are that make it worse for the rest of us. I remember buying my first VCR and archiving entire series of television shows (Commercials and all). It was illegal then and is still quite illegal now. In order to set an example for my children I don't do this anymore. There was a time when you could stop at the local pub and have a few suds before going home. Today there are zero tolerance laws because a few individuals decided that a few suds meant downing a case.

It's those who indulge in excess that cause undue hardship on those who merely want to enjoy their experience.

[Dv8ted2]

Left to it's own devices, the current Sony Rootkit does nothing more than copy protect the content.

You forgot to mention that if you remove these files, then your optical drive is hosed.

I would say that is more than protecting their content.

I think they stepped in it and are not realizing how much.

[ROF]

Left to it's own devices, the current Sony Rootkit does nothing more than copy protect the content.

You forgot to mention that if you remove these files, then your optical drive is hosed.

I would say that is more than protecting their content.

I think they stepped in it and are not realizing how much.

What you also forgot to mention is that by uninstall the device and restarting windows your device functions as normal again. You might also want to check the PIO Mode of the device after this too as it sometimes gets set to this.

[dvdguy4]

There has to be more titles than what Sony is claiming to have the rootkit.

[SCDVD]

Just for the record I have three security cameras in my house and I'm considering a fourth.

YOU can have a security camera(s) in YOUR house if YOU want to but I doubt you would be as happy if someone else put it there and justified it by saying they did it to protect their company from you!!

[ROF]

YOU can have a security camera(s) in YOUR house if YOU want to but I doubt you would be as happy if someone else put it there and justified it by saying they did it to protect their company from you!!

In any case, your camera analogy is almost as much if not more than a stretch as my comparing of stealing movies to murder. It's a excessive invasion of privacy not experienced by some company wanting to protect their CD/DVD Content by not allowing it to be copied multiple times.

[nelson133]

ROF supports anything the corporations do and he doesn't think he's from the dark side. Wow, how do I follow that?
I don't know what he's doing here myself, maybe he escaped from somewhere. Nyah Levi

[ROF]

If you follow the threads I don't support everything corporations do. Quite a few things Yes but certainly not everything. If corporations are the dark side I guess our houses are full of bad things. don't open that refrigerator, unplug it today, it was made by the dark side. You may also want to consider stop logging onto the Web because the machine you use and the display unit that shows you this screen was created by an evil corporation.

[SCDVD]

YOU can have a security camera(s) in YOUR house if YOU want to but I doubt you would be as happy if someone else put it there and justified it by saying they did it to protect their company from you!!

In any case, your camera analogy is almost as much if not more than a stretch as my comparing of stealing movies to murder. It's a excessive invasion of privacy not experienced by some company wanting to protect their CD/DVD Content by not allowing it to be copied multiple times.

My camera analogy is an especially good one and illustrates the point very well. If your local police department suspects you of a crime and believes that they need to put you under video surveillance IN YOUR house, they FIRST must convince a judge who must issue a warrant BEFORE the police department can invade your house with a camera. Since it is in YOUR house, it won't be very easy for the police department to persuade the judge to allow that. AND THEN, you will still have the additional recourse of appealing the warrant to a higher court. Even if you can't overcome your single-threaded myopia, you can thank God (or whoever you thank) that it's that way. I doubt you can even imagine the horror of it all if the police could pull any stunt they want to just because they suspect someone of some crime.

I am going to repeat myself because it is clear that you have a very difficult time grasping what people are trying to say because you are so preoccupied with your single little point. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH COMPANIES TAKING STEPS TO PROTECT THEIR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY. Get it? Do you have any problem grasping that? But when they start invading my property and causing it damage as well as expose my computer to an intruder because of a vulnerability they caused, that is a very different story! It's EXTREMELY important to stop this stuff in it's tracks NOW or it will become a real monster with corporations emboldened by Sony's little stunt coming up with even more aggressive ways to "protect" themselves.

[Noahtuck]

Left to it's own devices, the current Sony Rootkit does nothing more than copy protect the content. It's the potential for it's abuse by others that has caused such an uproar. Don't blame Sony for doing destructive things to your computer. If you operate without a firewall and anti-virus software your net connected machine could be experiencing worse threats.

Obviously you still don't have a clue

Another funny thing is, on that list of "protected" cd's, there was not ONE title on there that i would even have in my house let alone buy or make a backup of
Like the 5 i just made BU's of last night for my pickup so the originals are not out in the cold truck with the chance of getting scratched, cracked stolen or some other unseen natural disaster :P

[Dv8ted2]

Left to it's own devices, the current Sony Rootkit does nothing more than copy protect the content. It's the potential for it's abuse by others that has caused such an uproar. Don't blame Sony for doing destructive things to your computer. If you operate without a firewall and anti-virus software your net connected machine could be experiencing worse threats.

Obviously you still don't have a clue

You are right. He does not have a clue.

ROF, the files operate at the operating system level and rename themselves to mimic system files so they are not detected.

Until recently, the antivirus programs did not look for this, and because it operates at the OS level, a firewall will not help you.

[Rich86]

Arguing/debating with ROF is like wrestling with a pig in the mud . . .
After a while you realize the pig just likes the mud . . . .

[thecoalman]

on this page http://sonybmg.com/mediamax/titles.html there is a blue like UV glare that hurts the eye , is it on mine only or others can see that too?

Do you mean this :P :

[thevoelk]

In addition to his stance that Audio CDs aren't supposed to be played on a CD-ROM.

Logic would dictate:

It has the Compact Disc logo, which means Philips approved it, which means it's an authorized/approved player.

By the way, simply deleting the hardware and rebooting does not take care of the issue.

[pdemondo]

ROF said:
I still say they leave the current protections schemes in place and put a warning label on the disc that it's not designed for CD-ROM computer usage with a disclaimer that such usage as at the end users own risk.

In that way, they achieve the copy protection they desire while at the same time remove themselves from prosecution resulting from misuse of the media.

I couldn't agree more. Put a notice on each "protected" (defective) CD.
Just see how may will sell. The recording industry has been fighting
efforts to put copy protection warning notices on CDs.

Didn't we have a thread a few weeks back about people returning CDs
once they found out they wouldn't work in their PCs??

[guns1inger]

If they continue to put damaging or suspect or unauthorised software on CDs to protect them, people will stop buyin g them. If people don't buy them, they cant copy them. Perfect copy protection.

[Noahtuck]

Left to it's own devices, the current Sony Rootkit does nothing more than copy protect the content. It's the potential for it's abuse by others that has caused such an uproar. Don't blame Sony for doing destructive things to your computer. If you operate without a firewall and anti-virus software your net connected machine could be experiencing worse threats.

Obviously you still don't have a clue

You are right. He does not have a clue.

ROF, the files operate at the operating system level and rename themselves to mimic system files so they are not detected.

Until recently, the antivirus programs did not look for this, and because it operates at the OS level, a firewall will not help you.

I told him this before and was backed up by BJ_M in a thread not long ago, so as i stated at that time, he either need's to do more homework on the subject or he know's and is just waggin his tongue

If they continue to put damaging or suspect or unauthorised software on CDs to protect them, people will stop buying them. If people don't buy them, they cant copy them. Perfect copy protection.

Well, from that list of crap and the other titles i know of having it, they have beat me & won... i would not waste my time buying let alone backing up those crap titles

[mbellot]

they have beat me & won... i would not waste my time buying let alone backing up those crap titles

They haven't won yet.

You will be sued for lost income because they think you should have bought those albums.

By not buying them you are no better than the pirate who is stealing them. You are depriving them of their profit.

[painkiller]

Let's see ...

The label that was suggested be put on these "protected" cds - -might that label be covering the center hole?


Oh. And I'll bet those cameras are pointing in, instead of outward.

As someone else should recognise, Sony is just maintaining their direction they want to head towards, just like ROF. Sony doesn't care.