800mb Disc Question!

[lil Calico]

I bought a pack of 800mb/90min cd-r's, but when i pop it in and try to burn nero only acknowledges it as a 700mb disc and wont let me burn anythin over 700mb onto it, anybody know a program or how i can go about fixing this?

Thanks

[Bob W]

I use RecordNow Max to burn my 800mb discs but I did have to go into RecordNow settings and tell the program to set the disc size at 800mb. Perhaps Nero has a settings adjustment.

[Noahtuck]

Just go into configure in nero and set the markers to what you want and the size you want to be allowed to be burned.
I used to buy 99min cdr's byt 100's that i overburn in nero.



These are the setting's i use for the 99min cdr's.


But be careful because if you use a smaller sized cdr and try to pack alot more onto it it will mess up any info on the cd near the end and could poss. wreck your burner.

[celtic_druid]

90/99min CDR's still specify ~80mins in their ATIP. As said about you need to overburn.

[hech54]

I also have one burner capable of burning 800mb CDR's....and one is not capable using the same software (Prassi Ones). I've read on several websites that it has just as much to do with the burner itself as with the software.
My old LG 4040B can burn larger CD's...my newer BenQ 1620 Pro cannot.

[lil Calico]

thanks for the help, ill let you know if it works out!

[Krispy Kritter]

As hech54 pointed out, not all burners can burn "non-standard" discs or over burn. You need to verify your burner can handle those discs.

Over burning can also damage your burner. Some players handle it just fine, others do not.

[hech54]

Burning 880MB to a 900MB disc is also not overburning. Overburning and burning discs that are over the normal/standard 650/700MB in size are two totally different things.

[celtic_druid]

It is still overburning since as I said above the ATIP still specifies the capacity at ~80mins. Therefor you need to overburn to get the full 90/99mins. Difference is that a 90/99min CDR is designed to handle that much where as an 80min CDR isn't.

[Noahtuck]

Yep,
Didn't really think about it at the time because it's been so long since i have had a burner that would not overburn, but yes, it is dependant on if the burner will overburn or not.
I used to search for just the burner's that would allow you to overburn, but that was before dvd burners, when it was just cd burners. the 6 diff. brand dvd burners i have owned all let me choose "overburn" where back in the day of just cd burner's, only a certain few would allow you to overburn.

But if the burner will NOT allow you to overburn, the software will not allow you to select "overburn", and even if the burner will allow you to overburn, you still have to set the program you are using, as in NERO, to burn the extra data, even with it set to a higher limit it will ask/tell you that you are wanting to burn more data than what the standard is & you have to choose yes, because any program's i have used does not see the over sized cd-r's as what they really are.

[hech54]

With Prassi Ones , my LG4040B and recording 81 minutes to a TDK HC-R90 (90 minute/800MB) CDR....I do not need to click/check "overburn" for the CD to burn correctly...I just burned one yesterday.
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Overburning
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Overburning in computer storage is the process of recording data past the normal size limit on a recordable compact disc.

Many disc manufacturers extend a recordable disc to leave a small margin of extra groove at the outer edge. This lead-out was originally intended to provide tolerance for the read head of an audio CD player should it overseek, by providing a padding of up to 90 seconds of silent digital audio.

Recording onto the lead-out is possible with some combinations of CD recorder and authoring software. The actual amount of data that it will hold depends ultimately on the recordable media and varies somewhat between brands of disc, with some being up to 10% of the total disc capacity.

[celtic_druid]

Every 90/99 CDR that I have ever burnt has specified ~80mins in the ATIP. Perhaps TDK are different?

[mats.hogberg]

Yes, a 90/99 minute CD-R is just a normal CD-R with great capacity for overburning.

/Mats

[hech54]

Yes, a 90/99 minute CD-R is just a normal CD-R with great(er) capacity (deleted rest of sentence for clarity).

As you can see....the CD reads as 799.74MB available and I am using 790.80 MB for this particular demonstration....Overburn is set to NO and the record button is still available to me as an option.

Going OVER 799.74MB on this particular CD would be overburning.

[celtic_druid]

Errr, looks like you are burning audio. For audio an 80min CDR holds more than 700MB's.
80*60*44100*16*2/8*1024^2=808MB's or so.
Now fitting 89:58 on an 80min CDR, that is overburning.

[mats.hogberg]

700 MB as data, (close to) 800 MB as VCD/Audio CD is the normal capacity. Above that, it's overburning.

/Mats

[hech54]

Umm...druid?....my point is that I am NOT overburning this CD because it(my recording project shown above) is UNDER the 800MB/90 minutes.

It looks like we need pictures again:

Burning this CD to almost 800MB or 90 minutes on ANY computer is NOT overburning.

Infringing apon a CD-R's lead in or lead out area to squeeze a tiny portion more than a CD-R is supposed to hold IS overburning.

[celtic_druid]

Burning beyond the capacity specified in the ATIP would be another defination of overburning and if you look at the original post I would say that is what is going on.

Like I said, I don't know about TDK's, but every 90/99min CDR that I have burnt (numerous brands) has had ~80mins specified in the ATIP.

You might want to check the ATIP. It would be interesting if TDK do actually have 90mins specified.

[mats.hogberg]

Actually, I don't think 90/99 min CD's are CD's if you read the specifications.
..and:

Burning this CD to almost 800MB or 90 minutes on ANY computer is NOT overburning.

Yes, it is.

/Mats

[hech54]

Looks like you guys need to get some new software....or new burners:

[celtic_druid]

Or some TDK media. Please post the ATIP info so we can confirm the specified capacity. Certainly the burner has nothing to do with it and if you have software that burns beyond the ATIP when you tell it not to then I wouldn't exactly call that a good thing.

Should explain about the burner. What I mean is that if you have a burner that can't burn beyond say 84mins, you can still burn 90mins, it will just fail at 84. Therefor the burner makes no difference in your example.

[hech54]

Great....WTH is ATIP info?...
And my BenQ 1620 Pro will NOT burn these discs(or the disc as it sits in the example above)...only my older LG4040B will burn them.

[ROF]

ATIPs meaning depends upon it's usage:

ATIP Absolute Time in Pregroove (CD technology)
ATIP Access to Information and Privacy (Canada)
ATIP Ada Technology Insertion Program
ATIP Alternate Training Instructional Program (Marine Forces Reserves)
ATIP Analog Trunk Interface Processor
ATIP Asian Technology Information Program
ATIP Association Technique de l'Industrie Papetière (French: Paper Industry Technical Association)


In this case it's the ATIP section of a CDr that contains info about it such as manufacturer, type, etc.

[hech54]

Does this make sense to anyone?

Nero CD-DVD Speed: Disc Info
Basic Information
Disc type: : CD-R
Manufacturer: : TDK
MID : 97m15s05f
Write speeds: : 4 X - 8 X - 16 X - 24 X
Capacity: : 91:01.48
: 800 MB
Extended Information
Usage : General
Disc Status : Empty
Raw Data
ATIP
0000 - D0 00 A0 00 61 0F 05 00 5B 01 30 00 00 00 00 00 - ....a...[.0.....
0010 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - ........

[hech54]

Anyone at all?

[celtic_druid]

Looks like 91:01.48 is actually specified in the ATIP so no need to enable overburning unless you burn beyond that.

As I said in my experience with 90/99min media they specify ~80mins, same as 80min CDR. Just that you can safely overburn (with the correct hardware) upto 90/99min.