New Copy Protection Problems

[fergs24]

I am experiencing the same problems that people are reporting with the likes of Madagascar, etc. failing half way through DVD shrink due to the new copy protection in place.

I have just downloaded the most recent of DVD FAB decrypter, released 30th November. Although it seems to rip the disc okay, when I use DVD shrink there is a delay at the start where it is a black screen for about 5 minutes then the movie starts. Three quarters of the way through DVD shrink an error comes up saying that the memory is full There is only 1.62gb of movie copied to the file when it should be around the 4.2gb mark.

Can anyone help me with this problem or has anyone found another way of getting past this new copy protection.

many thanks

[guns1inger]

Look up above this post. See the little box with the button marked Search next to it ? Type Madagascar into the box, and press the button. I got 27 posts discussing just this disk. You may find your answer amongst them.

[mrswla]

Fergs24,

Here is what I did, that I posted in another thread.

"Here's what I did to back-up my original, before I knew DVDFAB Decrypter was updated to a new version.

I started with DVD Shrink, wouldn't open. Tried DVD Decrypter, failed! Went to DVDFAB Decrypter (old version). Copied 100%. Opened with DVD Shrink, error in VOB 8 What??? What now? Try AnyDVD? No, it's not freeware and I already tried the free trial. Last ditch effort, opened Nero Recode and recoded main movie to HDD. Worked Went back to DVD Shrink and used Re-Author and selected main movie from Nero and then selected the extras (Penguins in a Christmas Caper) from DVDFAB Decrypter. Now I have a copy that the kids can watch without me worrying about the disc getting scratched!!!"

Hope this helps.


Joe

[ROF]

Fergs24,

Here is what I did, that I posted in another thread.

"Here's what I did to back-up my original, before I knew DVDFAB Decrypter was updated to a new version.

I started with DVD Shrink, wouldn't open. Tried DVD Decrypter, failed! Went to DVDFAB Decrypter (old version). Copied 100%. Opened with DVD Shrink, error in VOB 8 What??? What now? Try AnyDVD? No, it's not freeware and I already tried the free trial. Last ditch effort, opened Nero Recode and recoded main movie to HDD. Worked Went back to DVD Shrink and used Re-Author and selected main movie from Nero and then selected the extras (Penguins in a Christmas Caper) from DVDFAB Decrypter. Now I have a copy that the kids can watch without me worrying about the disc getting scratched!!!"

Hope this helps.


Joe

OMG that's alot of work for a $13 disc. I guess I'd just buy a second disc instead of spending all that time and with this method you don't even get to have the best parts of the disc and only the main movie. If you're not putting this onto a dual layer disc($2 Minimum) even just the movie must be shrunk to an unacceptable(by my standards) quality for an animation film.

[hech54]

I backed up my Madagascar with no problems using the latest DVDFabDecrypter and DVDShrink.

Or just take the Movie Only and be done with it.

[mrswla]

OMG that's alot of work for a $13 disc. I guess I'd just buy a second disc instead of spending all that time and with this method you don't even get to have the best parts of the disc and only the main movie. If you're not putting this onto a dual layer disc($2 Minimum) even just the movie must be shrunk to an unacceptable(by my standards) quality for an animation film.

Actually, I have a three year old and when I put in a dvd I don't want to wait for all the previews and the main menu to come up. Some movies can take up to ten minutes before the main menu comes up. I do this to many of the "kids" movies. Remember I used this method *before* I knew dvdfab was updated. If I remember correctly, I was able to put the main movie and the penguins short on a dvdr without any compression. I'll have to double check.

[crackur]

Use dvdfab and shrink/burn with clonedvd2

worked for me yesterday

[classfour]

Strange: I used DVD Decryptor with AnyDVD turned off to rip - then re-encoded with DVD Rebuilder (1.03 - hadn't installed 1.04 yet) using CCE without any problems.....

Was my disc different?

It must've been.

Very Strange.

[Rich86]

regarding extras, etc. on a movie dvd:

My experience is that:
although occasionally there is something worthwhile in the extras on a dvd release, most of the time it is just a bunch of advertisements for other movies and a bunch of actors, directors and writers straining their shoulders to pat themselves on the back - whether the film warrants it or not.
I find that I watch the extras once - and never again. I surely would not buy a dvd release for the extras included on it. Focusing on a quality film and the best quality audio and video available on the media is what is important when buying a dvd - for me anyway.

[ROF]

Actually, I have a three year old and when I put in a dvd I don't want to wait for all the previews and the main menu to come up. Some movies can take up to ten minutes before the main menu comes up. I do this to many of the "kids" movies. Remember I used this method *before* I knew dvdfab was updated. If I remember correctly, I was able to put the main movie and the penguins short on a dvdr without any compression. I'll have to double check.

Just to let you know every DVD Player and Recorder I've owned can bypass these.

Insert the DVD and allow the first splash to appear.

Hit the stop button twice.

Hit the play button and the main movie starts without any splash screens.

That's much easier and cheaper than wasting dual layer media to make quality backups.

[mrswla]

Just to let you know every DVD Player and Recorder I've owned can bypass these.

Insert the DVD and allow the first splash to appear.

Hit the stop button twice.

Hit the play button and the main movie starts without any splash screens.

Thanks for letting me know this. I'll have to check it out. My kids dvd player is a Zenith from 1999.

That's much easier and cheaper than wasting dual layer media to make quality backups.

Just to clarify, I'm using dvd-r single layer @ $0.27 a piece--not dual layer media. Those are still way too expensive, even at $2.00 a piece.

[ROF]

That's much easier and cheaper than wasting dual layer media to make quality backups.

Just to clarify, I'm using dvd-r single layer @ $0.27 a piece--not dual layer media. Those are still way too expensive, even at $2.00 a piece.

Too true, especially for backups of something you already own an original for.

[gadgetguy]

Too true, especially for backups of something you already own an original for.

By definition, if you do not have the original, then you don't have a "backup".

[ROF]

@gadgetguy

Thanks for the clarification of my statement.

[SLK001]

OMG that's alot of work for a $13 disc. I guess I'd just buy a second disc instead of spending all that time and with this method you don't even get to have the best parts of the disc and only the main movie. If you're not putting this onto a dual layer disc($2 Minimum) even just the movie must be shrunk to an unacceptable(by my standards) quality for an animation film.

Madagascar is 86 minutes long (according to Netflix - I don't own it). You're telling me that you can't put it onto a single layer disk without significant reduction in quality? The average bitrate for a movie this size would be about 6Mbps. This is a bitrate more than enough for even high action films - and this is only an animated feature.

You go ahead and spend that extra $13 for something that you already own. I, like others here, will continue to backup these "$13" disks to "$0.50" disks so the kids can play them to destruction.

[funnel71]

As strange as it sounds, I've heard from some that it could be the processor set on the PC being used that may cause these memory problems - those with Intel are bad, those with Athlon are good. Not sure how true this is, but I do have an Intel, and have had problems with Madagascar and Sky High.

My ultimate solution was to skip the extras and just get the movie, but I'd like to know the best way to get the whole thing.

Using DVD Decrypter w/anyDVD ripped fine, but shrink gives those memory problems mentioned. What it does is slowly eats away at available physical memory, and when the page file finally reaches 0, it crashes (use a memory monitor to determine this)

Using DVDFab w/AnyDVD & then DVD Shrink produces the same result.

Using Shrink by itself with anyDVD produces the same result

Have yet to try the VOBBlanker idea - never used it, but anxious to try.

[ROF]

You go ahead and spend that extra $13 for something that you already own. I, like others here, will continue to backup these "$13" disks to "$0.50" disks so the kids can play them to destruction.

OK! But if you don't mind I'll teach and have taught my children to respect theirs and others property. If parents took the time to explain the fragile nature of certain toys or even bothered to spend more than a few minutes each day just listening to, teaching, and watching their children at play you'd have no need to purchase an extra disc whether it costs $13 or of $0.50.

[mrswla]

Madagascar is 86 minutes long (according to Netflix - I don't own it). You're telling me that you can't put it onto a single layer disk without significant reduction in quality? The average bitrate for a movie this size would be about 6Mbps. This is a bitrate more than enough for even high action films - and this is only an animated feature.

I think ROF is just saying animation suffers when you compress it. I don't think he actually tried it out on madagascar. I was able to get the main movie and the penguin short onto a dvd-r without compression.

You go ahead and spend that extra $13 for something that you already own. I, like others here, will continue to backup these "$13" disks to "$0.50" disks so the kids can play them to destruction.

Totally agreed to this!!! I've had to make probably about 6 backups of A Bugs Life. My son watched that movie over and over again, all day long when he was two. Had I had to buy it each time he messed it up, I would have shelled out over $100 for this one movie alone.

[mrswla]

OK! But if you don't mind I'll teach and have taught my children to respect theirs and others property. If parents took the time to explain the fragile nature of certain toys or even bothered to spend more than a few minutes each day just listening to, teaching, and watching their children at play you'd have no need to purchase an extra disc whether it costs $13 or of $0.50.

ROF, I agree with you to a certain extinct. My son is three now and he does a lot better with dvds now then he did a year ago. How do you explain to a two year old, how to take care of dvds? There's only so much that you can do...

[mrswla]

How did this topic go from "New Copy Protection Problems" to tips on parenting???

[ROF]

ROF, I agree with you to a certain extinct. My son is three now and he does a lot better with dvds now then he did a year ago. How do you explain to a two year old, how to take care of dvds? There's only so much that you can do...

The same way you explain to a two year old that drinking the floor wax isn't good for them. You put valuable or dangerous items out of their reach.

[ROF]

How did this topic go from "New Copy Protection Problems" to tips on parenting???

Someone brought up the actions of children who are not taught how to handle their toys properly. That's usually the reason why parents violate the law to backup their childrens movies.

[SLK001]

It has been my experience that animation is very easily compressed (there is not really all that much detail when compared to "real" film).

And I am talking about re-encoding a video, and not transcoding to a lower bitrate.

And yes, older kids have that capacity to learn that the younger ones lack. Ever have a kid try to put a peanut butter and jelly sandwich into a VCR? Let me tell you that the VCR has to be dismantled and cleaned to fix this one!

[mrswla]

The same way you explain to a two year that drinking the floor wax isn't good for them. You put valuable or dangerous items out of their reach.

Point taken.

I guess when I can make a backup for $0.27, I just don't consider that to valuable or danerous. Have you actually tried to break a dvd in half? It does take a bit of strength to do it.

On the other hand, I really can't put the "kids" movies out of reach. He looks at the spine artwork to pick which movie he wants to see. If they where out of his reach, he wouldn't be able to pick out a movie.

[ROF]

And yes, older kids have that capacity to learn that the younger ones lack. Ever have a kid try to put a peanut butter and jelly sandwich into a VCR? Let me tell you that the VCR has to be dismantled and cleaned to fix this one!

As a hobby or side job I build computers and fix technology. I can't begin to tell you the things I've found inside VCRs. It seems like anything that can be opened and closed will invariably have some untrained child or even crazed adult begin to put things in there that don't belong. Pieces of bologna in a CD burner was one of my favorites to fix.

[mrswla]

Someone brought ...

Who me?

[mrswla]

[quote="ROF"]
It seems like anything that can be opened and closed will invariably have some untrained child or even crazed adult begin to put things in there that don't belong.[quote]

ROF,

This may be uncalled for, and I'm sorry if you take it the wrong way, but do you have kids? To me, it sounds like you would have children grow up as robots. I'm no trying to say, don't train you kids. We all know all too well about this, eg. Supper Nanny. But come on, no matter how many times you tell a two year "no" or show them, they are going to get into stuff. That's why they call it the "terrible twos."

[ROF]

The same way you explain to a two year that drinking the floor wax isn't good for them. You put valuable or dangerous items out of their reach.

Point taken.

I guess when I can make a backup for $0.27, I just don't consider that to valuable or danerous. Have you actually tried to break a dvd in half? It does take a bit of strength to do it.

On the other hand, I really can't put the "kids" movies out of reach. He looks at the spine artwork to pick which movie he wants to see. If they where out of his reach, he wouldn't be able to pick out a movie.

While the pennies you pay for the backups may not be valuable the information on the original was valuable enough for you to consider spending money on backing it up. I'd imagine since you said you use spine cases that those cost money too.

While tring to break a DVD in half by hand maybe difficult throw that same DVD with only half your strength at a solid object like a wall. Do so when the wife, pets, or kids aren't around of course and watch it shatter into pieces. You will still be finding pieces of that DVD next christmas. They are quite fragile in that sense. That's how I've seen most DVDs get destroyed. Ill behaved children who aren't taught to respect theirs and others toys throw something or begin beating up on something sometimes for no apparent reason.

The way I taught my kids is by not giving them another duplicate toy for ones they've broken. My son broke his Bob the Builder DVD last winter. He rents it every chance he can get and sometimes cries when it's not available. I make him tell me why he can't watch it and after some sobbing he says because he throw it and broke it. He'll be getting another copy this holiday season. Lesson learned.

Our DVDs are kept inside a cabinet. The kids have to ask before the cabinet is opened and either my wife or myself supervises their selection process. I like to tease my son at that time by asking him to watch a particular horror movie. Just to see how he says "No" is precious.

[ROF]

It seems like anything that can be opened and closed will invariably have some untrained child or even crazed adult begin to put things in there that don't belong.

ROF,

This may be uncalled for, and I'm sorry if you take it the wrong way, but do you have kids? To me, it sounds like you would have children grow up as robots. I'm no trying to say, don't train you kids. We all know all too well about this, eg. Supper Nanny. But come on, no matter how many times you tell a two year "no" or show them, they are going to get into stuff. That's why they call it the "terrible twos."

I have two of them. They can be outrageous at times but for the most part they are well behaved at least when compared to my friends children. At least we can take our kids out to dinner and not just to McDonalds without a scene being caused or having people look at us like we are inept morons with kids. I'm sure those with kids who are ill behaved know what those looks are. Terrible Twos lead into horrible threes and so on and so forth. It doesn't mean you have to accept it though.

[Rich86]

ROF: "The way I taught my kids is by not giving them another duplicate toy for ones they've broken. My son broke his Bob the Builder DVD last winter. He rents it every chance he can get and sometimes cries when it's not available. I make him tell me why he can't watch it and after some sobbing he says because he throw it and broke it. He'll be getting another copy this holiday season. Lesson learned."

Cheez - a 1 year punishment period for breaking a dvd? Yeah - that's a lesson learned alright - but maybe not the one you intended. Reading this makes me appreciate the time I had on this earth with my father even more than I did before. I was easier than that on my teenage son when he lost control of my sportscar on a corner and ran it into the woods. My handling of the situation did not involve "punishment" in any form. He actually thanked me for how the situation was handled and has brought it up a number of times over the years.

And you just described the perfect rationale for making a backup copy of a personally own movie or music media and storing the original behind that steel a/v media door you have and giving the copy to your youngster for their use. But, if you'd rather take the opportunity to discipline your child instead, so be it. If you punish him long enough, he probably won't even want a replacement "Bob The Builder" dvd . . .