Forbes Magazine says Madagascar WAS a true RIPGuard disc

[BSpielbauer]

According to Forbes Magazzine, Madagascar WAS a true RIPGuard disc:

http://www.forbes.com/personalfinance/philanthropy/2005/11/22/macrovision-dvd-ripping-...markets03.html

From the article:

"DreamWorks Animation (nyse: DWA - news - people ) is the first studio to implement RipGuard with the recently released DVD of 'Madagascar,' according to Piper."


In theory, I guess this means that RipGuard is nothing but a newer glorified variation of Sony ARccOS. Unless someone knows better...


-Bruce

[BJ_M]

If studios deem that the average pirate will stop after one or two failed attempts, "studios may decide that RipGuard is sufficiently effective,"

i seem to think -- not

[dvdguy4]

If studios deem that the average pirate will stop after one or two failed attempts, "studios may decide that RipGuard is sufficiently effective,"

i seem to think -- not

LOL
Thats funny. They really need to come up with something alittle more cleaver

[Noahtuck]

They may as well junk it already, doomed before it came out

The research firm noted that RipGuard was effective in stopping two popular DVD ripping products, DVD X Copy and 123 Copy DVD, that were tested on "Madagascar."

They gotta be kidding!!!!

[Zen of Encoding]

They may as well junk it already, doomed before it came out

They gotta be kidding!!!!

Remember.... this is from a Forbes staff writer, David Ng.
His focus is the same as Macrovision's, the value of Macrovision stock.
Stock price is much more about creating the *perception* that the product
functions, not actually providing a real bullet-proof product.

We should be happy that the stock market rewards them for putting
out weak-ass junk.

[waheed]

Ripguard cannot use any new protection methods as you will need to ensure the resultant DVD is still playable in current standalone dvd players.

I wonder why they didn't use AnyDVD and DVDFab Decrypter for their tests.

[DereX888]

The research firm noted that RipGuard was effective in stopping two popular DVD ripping products, DVD X Copy and 123 Copy DVD, that were tested on "Madagascar."

these 2 are popular?! since when LMAO!

...and i didnt notice their protection at all when i backed up my disc, lol should i ask for refund or something? I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF from any new challenge!

[Faustus]

The research firm noted that RipGuard was effective in stopping two popular DVD ripping products, DVD X Copy and 123 Copy DVD, that were tested on "Madagascar."

these 2 are popular?! since when LMAO!

...and i didnt notice their protection at all when i backed up my disc, lol should i ask for refund or something? I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF from any new challenge!

I dunno but wait until next time CompUSA puts "dvd ripped brand x" on sale and watch people flock to crap.

[ROF]

If studios deem that the average pirate will stop after one or two failed attempts, "studios may decide that RipGuard is sufficiently effective,"

i seem to think -- not

I seem to agree. There is still a thread here full of pirates or people who want to backup this and can't seem to do it. I'd say it's effective only to the point where some may consider it futile after several attempts whereas true pirates continue to sail forth and attack it again and again until they plunder the treasure of stolen goods.

The thread here speaks volumes about how this new trick has slowed down the average user who has continued to violate the law backing up their media and now finds it difficult to continue in their criminal actions. Just imagine the people who don't even know about this site or won't be bothered. I'd say if Disney continues along this course they have something which has become somewhat effective, but since some have been able to back it up Disney should continue looking into strengthening their IP control.

[smearbrick1]

The research firm noted that RipGuard was effective in stopping two popular DVD ripping products, DVD X Copy and 123 Copy DVD, that were tested on "Madagascar."

these 2 are popular?! since when LMAO!

...and i didnt notice their protection at all when i backed up my disc, lol :shock: should i ask for refund or something? I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF from any new challenge! ;)

I dunno but wait until next time CompUSA puts "dvd ripped brand x" on sale and watch people flock to crap.

I imagine DVD X Copy is very popular with the average consumer. Wasn't it the only DVD Ripping app available for sale in retail stores? You could buy this at Wal-Mart! I'd imagine quite a few copies were sold and are still being used by people. Not that it's a great product by any stretch, but it made DVD backup more accessible to the average consumer who didn't want to (or was too lazy) surf videohelp.com all day for a backup solution.

Besides, if they believe it's working, let them believe it. If they believe they are on the right track to eliminating piracy, maybe I won't have to read about over-inflated losses to due to movie piracy.

[thecoalman]

Just imagine the people who don't even know about this site

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-22,GGLG:en&q=backup+DVD

And if they don't find it here they will find it elsewhere. Isn't Google grand. Any simple protection scheme would prevent "people that couldn't be bothered". If someone is determined they can awill find the information they seek.

[BJ_M]

yes those two products mentioned are VERY popular and are sold retail by even large chains ...

even carried at tiger direct in fact ---

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1515754&CatId=0

[kirky99]

I'd say if Disney continues along this course they have something which has become somewhat effective, but since some have been able to back it up Disney should continue looking into strengthening their IP control.

Just wanted to verify, Madagascar is NOT Disney.

[RottenFoxBreath]

hehe thats a good one.^^

[RottenFoxBreath]

If studios deem that the average pirate will stop after one or two failed attempts, "studios may decide that RipGuard is sufficiently effective,"

i seem to think -- not

I seem to agree. There is still a thread here full of pirates or people who want to backup this and can't seem to do it. I'd say it's effective only to the point where some may consider it futile after several attempts whereas true pirates continue to sail forth and attack it again and again until they plunder the treasure of stolen goods.

The thread here speaks volumes about how this new trick has slowed down the average user who has continued to violate the law backing up their media and now finds it difficult to continue in their criminal actions. Just imagine the people who don't even know about this site or won't be bothered. I'd say if Disney continues along this course they have something which has become somewhat effective, but since some have been able to back it up Disney should continue looking into strengthening their IP control.

ROF,man you talk utter piss sometimes,check you facts about the makers of madagascar...hehe
and just how do you know there pirates....do they have peg legs? do they have eye patches?,sail under the skull and crossbones flag?,or maybe occasionally let loose with a "arrr..jim lad..we be sailing towards the treasure!!"
and as for violating law,plenty of countries its legal to backup a copy for personal use,so please,shut the **** up and stop with the bullshit you spout.

[BobK]

There is still a thread here full of pirates or people who want to backup this and can't seem to do it.

Correction- it's a thread here full of pirates or people, and one nazi or shill.

[ROF]

I'd say if Disney continues along this course they have something which has become somewhat effective, but since some have been able to back it up Disney should continue looking into strengthening their IP control.

Just wanted to verify, Madagascar is NOT Disney.

Oops . . it's the other D Studio for Dreamworks. My mistake. I'm just glad to see they're continuing to try and stop continual theft and IP violations no matter which studio it is.

[Laddydaddy]

They must not be applying ripguard to DVD screeners. It was available as a DVD rip on bittorrent sites about a month before the retail release. Either that or the pirates are lurking on this board and know enough not to use the store bought programs to copy the DVDs.

[mbellot]

They really need to come up with something alittle more cleaver

Finally an IP protection scheme even ROF would love.

Open the DVD case and a cleaver splits your skull open.

Best of all, its compatible with all current players.


If you opened the case you must be intending to infringe on the poor movie industries copyright - right ROF?

[BJ_M]

ROF has a right to his/her opinions also .... just like everyone else ...

please do not be derogatory in your response to him

[smearbrick1]

ROF has a right to his/her opinions also .... just like everyone else ...

please do not be derogatory in your response to him

While it is nice to have an opposing viewpoint, especially, one as polar opposite to the majority, do you sometimes feel that ROF's opinons are not really opinions but attempts to just cause controversy? If this is true, then I stand by the negative opinions of other forum posters in this thread concerning ROF. However, if ROF truly believes what he/she is saying (and is not just spouting the opposite of the majority's opinion just to shit stir), my hat is off to him/her. Very rarely do you find someone so willing to stick to their beliefs when faced with adversity.

Of course, this doesn't mean I agree with him/her either.

[ROF]

ROF has a right to his/her opinions also .... just like everyone else ...

please do not be derogatory in your response to him

While it is nice to have an opposing viewpoint, especially, one as polar opposite to the majority, do you sometimes feel that ROF's opinons are not really opinions but attempts to just cause controversy? If this is true, then I stand by the negative opinions of other forum posters in this thread concerning ROF. However, if ROF truly believes what he/she is saying (and is not just spouting the opposite of the majority's opinion just to shit stir), my hat is off to him/her. Very rarely do you find someone so willing to stick to their beliefs when faced with adversity.

Of course, this doesn't mean I agree with him/her either.

I've usually found that those who become derogatory or personally attack someone who has an opposing opinion to their opinion is the result of either them not being able to express their opinion because they are so far beyond violation of the law it might be incriminating for them to express it or they have a childs mind and can not form an opinion( AKA Troll). In either case, as has been noted, I don't typically respond in kind to such people as acknowledging them allows them to feel they have an opinion worthy of note.

That being said, I fully support my opinions I express here. I own stock in several media companies and hold major shares in two minor players in this field. Theft of IP robs me of profit. Plain and simple. I have my opinions because I'm one of the millions or so who hold value to IP over the thieves who are stealing from more than just some big corporation. They are stealing from people who are building a retirement fund and have no stake other than their money in the future protection of IP.

Theft of IP and casual violations of copyright infringement take money away from all of us.

[GullyFoyle]

ROF has a right to his/her opinions also .... just like everyone else ...

please do not be derogatory in your response to him

While it is nice to have an opposing viewpoint, especially, one as polar opposite to the majority, do you sometimes feel that ROF's opinons are not really opinions but attempts to just cause controversy? If this is true, then I stand by the negative opinions of other forum posters in this thread concerning ROF. However, if ROF truly believes what he/she is saying (and is not just spouting the opposite of the majority's opinion just to shit stir), my hat is off to him/her. Very rarely do you find someone so willing to stick to their beliefs when faced with adversity.

Of course, this doesn't mean I agree with him/her either.

I've usually found that those who become derogatory or personally attack someone who has an opposing opinion to their opinion is the result of either them not being able to express their opinion because they are so far beyond violation of the law it might be incriminating for them to express it or they have a childs mind and can not form an opinion( AKA Troll). In either case, as has been noted, I don't typically respond in kind to such people as acknowledging them allows them to feel they have an opinion worthy of note.

That being said, I fully support my opinions I express here. I own stock in several media companies and hold major shares in two minor players in this field. Theft of IP robs me of profit. Plain and simple. I have my opinions because I'm one of the millions or so who hold value to IP over the thieves who are stealing from more than just some big corporation. They are stealing from people who are building a retirement fund and have no stake other than their money in the future protection of IP.

Theft of IP and casual violations of copyright infringement take money away from all of us.

I find it presumptive to claim a loss due to piracy. there is no proof that x product would have made y amount of profit. Factually poor Hollywood scripting/casting/ and planning cost you far more REAL investment money than piracy would.
Also a flagging economy would cost you more than piracy would.
People can no longer afford to spend an arm and a leg to go to the theater when they have to buy heating or food.
I would also imagine the collusion to overprice dvd's would cost more than piracy. If they were priced more reasonably then possibly more people would buy them. Again that is presumptive because no one can estimate the REAL profit any media will make.
Finally the obscenely high salaries and benefits of corporate CEO's would cut a great swath into your investment. That one is a given fact.
In the end all it REALLY becomes is a guessing game as to what the public wishs to spend their ever dwindling dollars on.

[ROF]

I find it presumptive to claim a loss due to piracy. there is no proof that x product would have made y amount of profit.

So stealing the product isn't effecting profit? How about freely sharing your stolen good with millions of others? Piracy has continued to effect profits and has been increasing as technology increases channels for pirate distribution. The proof is online.

Factually poor Hollywood scripting/casting/ and planning cost you far more REAL investment money than piracy would.

None of this has any effect. A bad movie has been made since the time before movies were mass produced. It has no effect on the shareholder in the long run when compared to the effects ever increasing methods of piracy have sprouted.

Also a flagging economy would cost you more than piracy would.

While this is true it effects my overall portfolio not just specific stocks.

People can no longer afford to spend an arm and a leg to go to the theater when they have to buy heating or food.

So they have a right to steal?

I would also imagine the collusion to overprice dvd's would cost more than piracy. If they were priced more reasonably then possibly more people would buy them.

Most DVDs are priced less than music CDs. They can't get much more reasonable without lossing money on distribution.

Finally the obscenely high salaries and benefits of corporate CEO's would cut a great swath into your investment. That one is a given fact.

Compare their salary with the money the star of the film makes for just one film. I'd say their salaries are more than reasonable when you compare it to those.

In the end all it REALLY becomes is a guessing game as to what the public wishs to spend their ever dwindling dollars on.

Too true, but that doesn't give the public the right to steal IP or violate the law to create backups.

[noki]

I wonder why they didn't use AnyDVD and DVDFab Decrypter for their tests.

shhhhh...not so loud

[smearbrick1]

I totally agree.

The whole box office numbers are down due to piracy argument worked for a little while this year. Unfortunately, for the movie companies, this won't work for the past two weekends which are up in total ticket sales compared to the same weekends last year. All of this due to Harry Potter. Now tell me, if piracy was causing a huge loss, why is Harry doing so well? Did the pirates decide that this film was not to be pirated?

[ROF]

I totally agree.

The whole box office numbers are down due to piracy argument worked for a little while this year. Unfortunately, for the movie companies, this won't work for the past two weekends which are up in total ticket sales compared to the same weekends last year. All of this due to Harry Potter. Now tell me, if piracy was causing a huge loss, why is Harry doing so well? Did the pirates decide that this film was not to be pirated?

One of two things:

1) Harry put a spell on them.

2) Fans realized that watching a downloaded movie is a horrible experience for such a movie. Dark movie downloads are bad quality.

[thecoalman]

Factually poor Hollywood scripting/casting/ and planning cost you far more REAL investment money than piracy would.

None of this has any effect. A bad movie has been made since the time before movies were mass produced. It has no effect on the shareholder in the long run when compared to the effects ever increasing methods of piracy have sprouted. .

Where's the bullshit frog when you need him...

I have nether rented no seen a movie in the theatres in well over a year. Same goes for any on TV. It's all crap.... Out of the hundreds of movies that come out of Hollywood a year there is maybe 1 or 2 flicks I may consider watching. That's the best damn copy protection in the owrld as far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't waste the cost of the blank disc.

[ROF]

I have nether rented no seen a movie in the theatres in well over a year. Same goes for any on TV. It's all crap.... Out of the hundreds of movies that come out of Hollywood a year there is maybe 1 or 2 flicks I may consider watching. That's the best damn copy protection in the owrld as far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't waste the cost of the blank disc.

It's good to hear that you are not a deciding factor in the general publics losses or gains. Although I doubt the billions of dollars spent this year alone on ticket sales, pay per view, pay channels and movie merchandise agrees with your assessment of the industry.

[BJ_M]

it is true that dvd's are much cheaper than music cd's based on amount of content and cost of production - as well as manuf. costs ......