Should I install windows XP??

[Sefy]

Well, speedy, you old hairy farting goat you, it's been real fun, but it's pass 1am, and I got work in 6 hours, so i'll only leave you with one thing to answer, after all, I did answer your question, only fair, what is your job title ?

And don't worry, i'll read your next bashing tommorow, and i'll bash you right back, it's fun, see, a year ago, I would have actually been insulted by you and would have propably left the forum, cause I really don't like ******** like you, cause so far, you haven't provided a SINGLE information, all you did was quote people and bash them, and you keep on lying all over the place, and of course accusing and twisting words of other people, you basicly didn't do nothing.

See, everyone can do name calling, it's very easy, and sure it's pretty much alot of fun, but did it get you anywhere ? did it get me anywhere ? nope, we could have instead had a nice conversation and gave details and opinions in a nice manner, which obviously you are not familiar with, and i'll bet that's why every company sacked you.

I haven't forced my opinion on anyone regarding any OS, i'm very much entitled to my own opinion, Bill Gates doesn't run the world yet, and free speech and opinions still exist, and i'm sharing it and my experience, you are the only one here bashing, so, get your hairy fat goaty ass out of the forum if you can't communicate, and i'm saying it in the nicest way possible

[Sefy]

Greg12, Me DOES have a DOS core, it's exactly like 95 and 98, the only diffrence is, Microsoft put more of an effort to hide it and of course also put an effort to trash all compatibility with programs, which they did pretty good I might add

As for Windows XP, I suggest you don't get your hopes too high, cause you'll be severly disappointed, go to Windows2000, it's the same thing, only without an idiotic interface

If you think ME is the worst, well, it's the worst of the 16bit world, XP is the worst of the 32bit world

[d4n13l]

As usuall, plenty of nasty insults and little else(Discounting the opinions you found on newsites).

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No. I dont use any "secretary" applications like that.
LMAO, but *J/K*.
I use mainly development tools and the console.
(as well as the usual assortment of multimedia apps etc.)
Seriously, why didnt you say anything about the screen shot of M$ Word running under Linux? I thought YOU said that it cant run M$ apps? Face it, it develops so fast that you dont really know where it is truly at, hell, nor do I! I sometimes miss massive developments in Linux too, but at least I know fairly recent happenings. Like what the apps look like nowadays.

I dont care to argue whether Linux will overtake Windoze, like I said earlier. To quote, "read-my-lips", I KNOW Linux does not have what it takes to do it yet. Perhaps your eyes are failing you when you read my posts.
You are a just a troll, hell bent on thinking that because I use Linux and have the "nerve" to actually PREFER it over Windoze, gives you the "authority" to make stupid statements about it and trash talk me for calling myself a "power user" - You seem to have a complex about MAC/Linux users. You are a fool who just gets a good bitchslapping when it comes to Linux. You have said MANY things about Linux that simply is just bullshit.
Ie. You think that MY kernel build can be released world wide to everybody else. LOL! Like I said before, ignorance.
I take everything you say about Linux with a large pinch of salt. Hey, after all, I use it and you... dont! SO much for your credebility there.
And no, a brief Mandrake 7 install != experience. (remember your "programming knowledge" now?)
As for you meaning that third party applications looking klutzy and "mickey mouse-like", doesnt EVERY OS has its fair share of lemons anyway? Most of the good applications are included with Linux anyway, there are thousands of them. Besides them, YES, there are actually MANY good applications.
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TAKE IT FROM SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY DOWNLOADS AND USES THEM AND NOT JUST HAS AN OPINION BASED ON 3 MINUTES USE OF MANDRAKE 7.
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Know your place in the pecking order:
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I am lord linux guru supremo that distributes HIS system kernel worldwide.
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ROTFLMAO. Face it pal, you talk nothing but hot air when it comes to Linux. I still cant beleive that you thought I could distribute my kernel build worldwide and that it would be of any use to anybody (unless they had an identical system and the same requirements of the kernel). Talk of an ignorant crusty SOB.

I think that you will agree also, that Linux is developing a HELL of a lot faster than Windoze is.
The problem with you is that you probably beleived the hype about Linux unseating M$ in the close past: When you actually dabbled with Linux, you got your fingers burned and fled back to your proprietry OS that works nice for you (emphasis on 'you' there). Yes, dabbled (I actually use the word correctly as in someone who is a programmer by trade does not merely "dabble" in it).
You now just think it clever to troll for people who can actually use the system. The fact that everybody is different makes no odds to you, arrogance is something in which you excel.

My point speedy, is that Linux CAN be a good OS if you make the effort with it. Linux is better than Windoze for me (notice the emphasis on ME again), why should I kiss your M$-ass, I dont give a crap if Linux aint for everyone.
I AM NOT SAYING THAT IT SHOULD BE ON EVERYBODIES DESKTOP SYSTEM.
Learn to at least troll properly and not make up cases for trolling.

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No matter what I said you bozos would try to pick apart my thirty years experience, or just refuse to believe it so little point and for sure no need to provide a resume to you uninformed lowlifes.
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Tell me speedy, how can we pick something apart if we dont even know what it is makes you so experienced?
"In the trade", means what exactly? You used to trolley around IBM mainframes and fit them?
People are only flaming you because you always want to know what makes everybody else qualified and then just trash talk them saying you have "30 years experience". In your eyes none of us are worthy to say anything (But we seem to be strangely worthy of your time) but YOU never tell US what makes you the guru here.
To me (and doubtless to say everybody else here), it seems that you are bluffing about how much you know. I believe you if you say that you have 30 years experience. "Back in the day", even if you had been head honcho at such and such, with ALL of this new technology? LOL. Sorry pal but feeding paper into a stone age colossus isnt as advanced as it is now. Back then, computers, applications etc. were SIMPLE! Admit it, you dont know as much about it as you pretend to. Sure, "back in the day" you may have been a kick ass guru of [insert computer related job here], but now? Alls I see is an over the hill troll who like to flame young flash-Harry's whipper-snappers with their new open source "stuff" (which you really do not understand). Reading CNET and other news sites doesnt make you an uber guru either pal.

You also bring up a good point.
GIMP. I am glad you recognise GIMP as being good. GIMP is amazing for what it is, it makes a good target for future Linux apps to meet. Lets look at what M$ offer as a quality (and actually quite powerful and usable) image editor.... second thoughts, lets not, because they dont. Most M$ apps offer you what? The initiative to spend yet more money on more soon to be outdated proprietry software and more money on their new "must have" OS which we will no doubt be seeing in not so long. Great deal - I bet you are glad that you have all those M$ shares, they pay for new M$ fluff.
To get the full benefits of Linux, you have to put in the hours. Your view on Linux is based on nothing but news site opinion and a breif encounter of actually using it. Wise up pal, it takes time. The learning curve of windoze is quick but shallow of very quickly, UNIX based systems have a much more gradual learning curve, but it flies past that of windoze eventually. So, if you were me, would you invest your time in a quick to learn but small return OS, or invest it more wisely considering my career? Go figure smart arse.

How can a Windoze only user say anything about Linux unless they use/have used it a lot? Well, a (past proven - remember snowmoon?) troll like you will only post what they find on newsites, which is largely opinion anyway. Good basis for an arguement? LOL. You must have like 3 or 4 "open source" ******** ripped in you by now! Ouch.

[speedy]

Sefy, are you saying Microsoft stole something?

Bill Gates is really a smart guy when it comes to selling himself. He's just a so so programmer. You see he was just a nobody, yet he talked IBM into having him supply the OS for their soon to be released PC. Think about it for a minute. Here's this nobody (Gates) who don't even have a OS to sell and he talks a huge multi-national company into letting him provide it. That takes some nerve don't you think?

Anyhow the story goes (don't know how much is true) he finds this down and out programmer who just happens to have a OS to sell and so Gates buys it on the cheap. Having some programming experience he and his partner make some minor changes. This OS? What the world has come to know as DOS.

Anyhow the story has it Gates puts an inflated price on "his" OS and IBM won't buy it. The smarter people in the group will catch on that Gates probably had no intention of selling DOS, he much preferred to just license it. That way if IBM's PC was sucessful and everyone knows how much it was, then Gates gets far more money in the license arrangement than he would have got just selling it outright. Anyhow Gates uses the money to start Microsoft. Soon after, Windows is born. The rest is history.

Now maybe you're pissed that Microsoft knocked off Lotus 123 and WordPerfect and now Netscape and for sure Microsoft being the 400 pound gorilla, it pretty much gets what it wants. Now kid tell me what is illegal about it?

As far as the anti trust suit what happened is what always happens with large corporations. They stalled, then stalled some more, then settled. Regardless of the final outcome it is a win, win situtation for Microsoft. I'm sure you don't follow politics in the states very carefully, so back when the original law suit was filled by the government, Clinton was in office. Being a Democract they tend to dislike big business. Now that Bush is in office and a Republican all their friends ARE big business. So if you're hoping for Microsoft to get broken up or go belly up your just dreaming. Now please explain WHY youu really hate Microsoft so much.

Now what do you think Gates or Microsoft stole?

[d4n13l]

Oh my God!
All Hell has let loose!
By the time it took me to write one post another entire page of flames have been posted!
ROTFLMAO.
Speedy, do you write and have work published? Your posts have me in stitches sometimes with their silky smooth eloquent put downs.
I think that speedy and sefy are going to bring the server down if this M$ arguement carries on, oh no... this site runs under Linux doesnt it? So, we are all Linux users!
Linux does have its place after all, hey speedy? Not getting "chewed up" like you think, *just* yet.
9% of the "server market" (inverted comma's because stats like that can be misleading) share means peanuts? LOL. Ask Gates if he would like to pocket the "small change" that you think that 9% is.

Speedy, I think that you have me confused as someone else; I know Windows has its place and I know full well where Linux's place is at the moment and will be for a while.
I wish you would quit with 9% of the server market stats, I know them all anyways. Sefy isnta Linux user, I am. And at no point have I said that its going to crush M$. I have even said many times it wont, yet (maybe, maybe not. I am not debating this). My point is that I am not pushing the case for Linux to overtake any M$ OS.
My point is that by me using a UNIX based OS from a personal point of view, I get greater returns.

You mentioned the learning curve is greater for Linux in a previous post. Sure, I know full well of its learning curve, I am learning it. But the learning never really stops as it has a tendancy to do with Windoze. The knowledge that I can gain from a UNIX based OS from a personal view point surpasses that of any M$ OS. What comes as a great benefit is that it I can use a 100% free UNIX based system. You will have to empathise with me here, (try using 1/2 your brain cells if you want to be like me ) but does it or does it not make sense for me to use Linux?
It seems to me that Linux is the logical choice for an OS for me to use, thats all. I am not pushing it as the next new desktop OS to unseat M$ in the next year, I am just trying to tell you it aint all as bad as you think.
I just got rattled by some of the things you said, Ie. Linux has lame looking apps. lol
I dont care to discuss Linux politics with you.
Although saying that, Linux is really not really comparable to NT in some respects, same as it isnt comparable to Solaris in many situations. If the "server market" includes ALL types of servers, then a 9% share doesnt surprise me.
I would also like to know the source of the info, if it was a site in M$'s pockets then it is hardly a good source. Also, the fact that Linux numbers are very hard to estimate due to its open source nature. Lets have some server market stats of the servers that it is competitive on next time. Also, workstation stats would be nice. All platforms please. And some stats for web servers?

[speedy]

Well since it is getting past Sefy's bedtime and d4n13l is still trying to shovel his bullshit, lets play with that a little while yet.

I know you don't really pay attention but do try to at least read some of what I wrote. I have a multi boot system, the very one I'm using right now. I mentioned that in several threads. If or not I did is this one, I'm too lazy to go back and check.

I just didn't try Linux for 3 minutes, heck no I gave it a damn good shot. I tried Redhat, Corel's version, Mandrake and some German company offering, I forget the name. Total maybe 50 hours or so. Anyhow I wasn't impressed. A good word would be to say I was disapointed.

The last time I took a serious look at a newer version of Linux was about a year ago. Sure, I still have Mandrake on one of my systems but use it, no, not really. No reason to. I have yet to see any Linux application that is BETTER than its Windows counterpart. Most are lame and sub part. The one exception I've seen is the one I mentioned; GIMP, which is well done and could perhaps be a rival to Photoshop.

Now since I know you like to "debate" I was as before messing with you with regard to my coments on you selling your kernel revision. You like every other Linux lover I've "discussed" the topic with is biased. The objective view is Linux just don't cut it. Now if you think that you can play with the kernel is a big selling point to would be casual users, you're just kidding yourself. Again, nobody cares. The result is Linux died on the vine. Maybe in five more years Linux may have 20% of the server market. Again, not what we were discussing. I was trying to have a reasonable discussion over the chances of Linux ever being strong enough to go head to head with Windows. You have presented NOTHING to suggest that will happen anytime soon if ever.

I have spent many hours messing with people that hate Microsoft and as yet not one of them has been able to offer a single reason why they hate Microsoft other than saying they simply do. I therefore have concluded the most likely reason people really hate Microsoft is one of the most basic human emotions of all... envy.

Being top dog makes you a target. If years ago IBM or Xerox or Digital or any number of large corporations would have had the smarts to develop a decent operating system for the PC Bill Gates and Microsoft would have never happened. All that would have changed is people like you would be bitching at whatever company was top dog and trying to elevate your favorite OS for the same groudless reasons you use now.

If you want to use Linus, then use it. That isn't what you did. You in your typical fashion needed to attack every Windows user and call them stupid for doing so. I should have expected as much, after all you were the insentive clog that just had to shoot off his mouth and bitch that Tony Blair when "standing shoulder to shoulder" with our president George Bush, was just too much for you. You're just an undisciplined loud mouth that enjoys stiring the shit. What you don't like is someone like me calling you on it.

[speedy]

I'm going to stop... for awhile and let my "friends" get some rest. Seems they can't keep up and it is getting late on the other side of the pond.

[d4n13l]

One more thing.
30/20 hell even 10 years ago, computers were stone aged technology compared to todays PCs. The PC boom is fairly recent, the technology has motored along at an exponential rate. Even if you did used to feed punch cards or retrieve ticker tape from those relics of yester-decade, that means jack nowadays. I think that my graphical calculator is more advanced then the computers you used to work with. Even programming was at no way near the level it is at today.
So doesnt that make most of your experience fairly worthless? You seemed to have peaked too early to grow up and work with todays computers in a professional environment, now you merely use the OS for the background tasks it was intended for, like most other users.
Does that seem logical? Your "30 years" dont boil down to much these days do they?

[Lamont Cranston]

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Being top dog makes you a target. If years ago IBM or Xerox or Digital or any number of large corporations would have had the smarts to develop a decent operating system for the PC Bill Gates and Microsoft would have never happened. All that would have changed is people like you would be bitching at whatever company was top dog and trying to elevate your favorite OS for the same groudless reasons you use now.
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Speedy that is not quite true. When the IBM PC Team went looking for an operating system they were not required to look inside IBM. At that time IBM Yorktown had a multi-tasking OS which could have been chosen. IBM first went to Digital Researh before they went to Gates. They only went to Gates because there was no one at Digital Research who could sign IBM's Confidentiality Agreement.


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[d4n13l]

Speedy, how many more times?
I am not trying to argue that Linux should overtake M$ OS's or even be a good viable alternative for 98% people.

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I was using the kernel building as an example of why I prefer Linux. Thats all. Dont spin it around like that.
Whats more, I dont care if it is a SELLING point or not! I am not trying to sell Linux to you or anyone, I just use the damn OS!

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The day trolling is "trying to have reasonable discussion" is the day I install WinME. Again, dont ask me to present to you why Linux can go head to head with Windoze. I HAVE SAID MANY TIMES THAT IT DOESNT CUT IT AS IT STANDS TO BE USED BY THE GENERAL HOME USER!

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You sir, are a troll!
I HAVE SAID MANY MANY TIMES, >>>>>>>MOST<<<<<< WINDOZE USERS ARE DUMB ABOUT COMPUTERS. MOST DOES NOT MEAN EVERYBODY! THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE. Big enough to notice this time?


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You're just an undisciplined loud mouth that enjoys stiring the shit.
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The ONLY person in this thread that fits that description is... you. BULLSHITTING SHIT STIRRER! LOL

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So then, idiot, you are not up to its current standards as you try and make us beleive are you? But dont ever try it again unless it sells better than Windoze, seeing you seem to like it that way.
BTW
50 hours? What did you learn? How to reformat your HD and put windoze back on? LOL, because a Linux needs way ore than that if you ever intend to utilise its true power. Thats why I laugh at you, you install Linux, beleiving the hype and expect itto be a free Windoze! LOL! Naive or what, Mr "30 years"!

Conclusion:
You are just an troll who likes to troll. You are confusing me with an all out M$ basher. I have not once ripped M$ a new ******* in this thread so talk to yourself if you wanna lecture a M$ basher. Or lecture to Sefy, he detestes them. Just stay the hell away from me or I will beleive you are going away with the fairies.

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You are an arrogant crusty SOB for sure.
Lets look at facts.
YOU are the only person who I flame like this (In any forum).
Likewise for the others that have flamed you here.
In the many other forums that I have been in, I have never had flamewars like this. Not even close.
However, you seem to attract flames like flies to shit and have a tantrum about someone else every other day.
NOT ONLY ON THIS FORUM BUT ALL THE OTHERS THAT YOU "GRACE".
Remember those links Snowmoon posted once when you "fell out" with him, showing you as a usenet troll etc? LOL

Now, ask yourself a question, punk... (lol)
Who amongst us is the biggest shit stirrer?

You seem to troll in newsgroups and forums as profession.
speedy = A professional troll.
A troll who thinks advanced knowledge of systems is history lessons in the development of DOS. It is like the 20th time now that you have posted that story - Tell us another grandpa.

[speedy]

ROTFLMAO! Just when I think d4n13l can't possibly make a bigger ass of himself, he goes out and proves me wrong.

Quote:
"One more thing. 30/20 hell even 10 years ago, computers were stone aged technology compared to todays PCs."

And pray tell, who said otherwise? Now you're trying to argue against things I didn't even say.

Just to further educate my dim witted buddy, thirty years ago 'stone aged technology' put men on the moon.

I always get a kick when some 'Jr C programmer' (that's what d4n13l said he was) thinks he knows more than someone with thrity, twenty or just ten years experience. You got to pay your dues kid. Sure technology moves on. Don't forget it was build on what the generation before you invented.

[d4n13l]

yet more...

Firstly,
Here is something funny that will no doubt offend certain people.
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That to me reeks of pure ex post facto BULLSHIT. Why? Becuase you used it completly out of context, it didnt even make sense from a comical view point: Your statement was totally deranged from the outset. It only made sense if you werent too knowledgable in Linux.

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You like every other Linux lover I've "discussed" the topic with is biased. The objective view is Linux just don't cut it. Now if you think that you can play with the kernel is a big selling point to would be casual users, you're just kidding yourself. Again, nobody cares. The result is Linux died on the vine. Maybe in five more years Linux may have 20% of the server market. Again, not what we were discussing. I was trying to have a reasonable discussion over the chances of Linux ever being strong enough to go head to head with Windows. You have presented NOTHING to suggest that will happen anytime soon if ever.
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And you are not biased toward M$? You admitted it your self. How do you expect a Linuxer to agree with a Windozer? Talk about conflicting interests!
This is my point about you just trolling and trying to create an arguement out of nothing. YOU, that is YOU - Mr Schlake, YOU created a moot point to "discuss" with me begin with. At no where in any of this entire thread have I said that Windoze is going to be replaced by Linux any time soon. I agree with you - It wont. I suggest you down your screen res if you are having trouble reading what I say. YOU were also the one who brought "market shares" into it and then said "that's not what we were talking about". Your memory sucks somewhat.

As to this:
"I was trying to have a reasonable discussion over the chances of Linux ever being strong enough to go head to head with Windows."

No, as I said before, you were just trolling.
However, if you do want a reasonable discussion along those lines, then I suggest that you open a new topic and make your opening statement. I would love to debate that with you, as long as it doesnt degenerate into all an out flame war. Whoever sends the first flame/insult loses, hows that for a good rule? Whats more, you are not allowed to reply to any flames that outsiders post.
So, speedy, the silky white glove has been firmly slapped across your face now so to speak. Are you good for a showdown at high noon? Will you stand true to your words or are you just a troll after all? I think we are about equal in insulting one another now in this thread, lets not be ******** anymore. I will let you insult me one last time, so make it a good one please and I promise not to reply here anymore, its getting old now anyways. I bet everybody else is looking at ALL of us and thinking what ******** we are all being, but hey, its been fun and made me laugh. And you KNOW this time I will stand by what I say about not replying because I did it last time I said and left Mr "I know you will reply", with egg on his face, LOL! Seeing as you have not insulted by anything I say to you by your own admission, I hope to find a shiney new topic about Linux ever being a viable home user OS, I bid you farewell and will leave this thread to burn its last.

PS
I also promise no smiley gif's!

[speedy]

Seems you guys forgot that the orignial question that started this thread was:

"santa" brought me windows xp and I was wondering should I install it?

Dumwaldo just had to chime in with:
"personally i would rather run back orifice than windows XP but that is just me. if you see no problems with an OS that inventories your hardware, monitors your usage habits, and has the ability to send information to the internet regardless of what firewall you use then windows XP is great. if someone gave me XP for the holiday i would take it to the store and trade it in for something with less security concerns like maybe a copy of PC anywhere."

Apparently he didn't like me pointing out his links were broken and exceedingly one sided and not at all objective.

Sefy just being Sefy with his ever present anti Microsoft insults couldn't resist blubbering:

"XP is another piece of crap from Micro$luts which proves yet again they don't give a damn about the home user, or any user for that matter.

Compatibility went down, I think if you get to run anything, you should praise which ever god you worship (propably Bill).

The Security Problems, The file system, there isn't a single good thing about XP, it's basicly a Windows2000 with SP3 and a idiotic Kids Interface.

Because Micro$luts can't do anything new, they misplace all the icons in every new release, so it will take you longer to find it! that way you won't think it's exactly the same thing god knows how many programs don't work correctly if they work at all!

The day Micro$luts will actually make an Operating System is the day World War 3 will start. "

Then not to be outdone the bombastic d4n13l tried again to sell everyone he's a world authority on operating systems tryinh very hard to pass this load of crap:

"And of course
If you want the FULL control of your computer, Windoze is hardly the OS that you want running the show. Perhaps one day, Linux may be the desktop OS of choice, perhaps not: That is for another day and not really what this thread is about. All I see in this thread are Windozers debating Windoze - I think that I am the only Linux user in this thread. You can keep your XP Pro in the knowledge that it is the OS for the dumb masses"


Seems everyone forgot what I said, actually answering the original poster:

The original question was does it make sense to upgrade to XP, the answer is if you are already using a earlier version of Windows a qualified yes. If you have no BSOD's or hardware/software problems, never run low on system resources or suffer lock ups, then don't upgrade. However if those problems are common to you, you'll find XP is far more stable. Not just my opinion. That's the opinion of just about any Windows "expert" either accredited or self anointed. The one caution is be sure any legacy hardware is supported BEFORE upgrading by checking the Compatibility List and visiting hardware vendor sites.

Proving once again I actually address the question. It seems d4n13l, Sefy and dumwaldo were preoccupied with trying to hijack yet another thread to attack Microsoft and/or sing the praises of Linux

You guys are so easy to mess with, its almost unfair.


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: speedy on 2002-01-05 19:35:25 ]</font>

[speedy]

The question is why is that Sefy and d4n13l can't ever stay on topic?

I agree that others peeking in this thread wonder why whenever the word Microsoft pops up in any thread there is Sefy pissing on Microsoft and for sure d4n13l trying to push Linux.

You guys have a one track mind. And you're in a rut.

[vitualis]

Completely irrelevant speedy. The original question was answered LONG ago.

All the bullshit aside, answer this. You saying you have 30 years of experience. 30 years experience in what?

Regards.

[d4n13l]

(I will make this quick and polite as I just posted my last before I read your latest post)
Speedy, you know what I think?
I think that if I met you in somewhere like a workplace, we would probably get on. I meant no real harm with my flame about "stone aged" technology, I was just jerking your chain (YOU admit to freely doing it, so do I too =] ). That is why I think that in real life, we would actually get on face to face, I mean we probably have many similar interests. You jerk my chain about my kernel, I jerk your chain about computers past. LOL and case closed.
I actually think... no, KNOW, that you could tell me a great deal about things that I may already think that I know a lot about. The thing is, in an environment like this forum, people seem to be just text and anything you say has NO repercussions: Not even in this forum does anything carry any weight.
So yes speedy, me, d4n13l, Daniel, the young naive, yes, JUNIOR, programmer pays his dues to you and what you did - Respect to you. Next week all this will have been forgotten about but take what I just said to be true - Sorry for any insults that I have dished out.
Anyways, hope to have a nice new sensible topic awaiting my reply in the morning.
pax

PS
I refreshed while writing this and have seen your latest posts. LOL, it is damn hard to resist replying but I have said my last now and thats it from this crazy fool.

[jtor]

to Sefy/daniel/pinoy/michael tam,

I think this post has gone too far. I'll start a new thread borrowing michael tam's 'original' question (I hope you don't mind).

to the originator of this post:

If you really are interested in trying XP, go ahead. But just make sure that you still have the capability to go back to your previous OS, just in case you regret trying it out.

I love this site. I learned a lot, I got a lot of help from most users (esp Sefy), and posts from speedy are really amusing...

to daniel, speedy will never go into linux...you cannot teach an old dog new tricks.

I'll be here...forever

[speedy]

Gosh... now d4n13l made me feel all warm inside and oh I'm feeling a buzz. Oh wait a minute, it must be the Knob Creek 100 proof 12 year old bourbon I got for Christmas. Damn, this stuff is smooth.

And to vitualis, you're 100% correct. I did answer long ago. How come the rest of the guys got so far off topic?

Answer something else... how come every thread even remotely connected to Windows or if P4 or AMD motherboards are better, it always seems the same guys that go totally bonkers?

[Sefy]

Speedy, I knew I could count on you to keep it up, but i'm glad to see your language has improved since last night, as for your history lesson, how about some truth ? here is a nice link for you to read if you bother:
http://www.os2bbs.com/os2news/OS2Warp.html
And don't let the word OS/2 scare you, as you propably know since you lived back then, OS/2 was a venture of both IBM and Microsoft.

And yes, i'm accusing Bill Gates/Microsoft of stealing, I want you to name a SINGLE program (well, maybe not Edlin) that they have INVENTED (they did claim in a trial that they innovate!) and I mean a program that did NOT exist before, it didn't rip off from a competing program, didn't use bully tactics to scare off stores not to sell any competition products.

But I do agree with you, Bill Gates is a smart guy, he stole everything, ripped everyone, and got away with it! can't get any smarter then that, problem is, all past lies and thiefery are finally catching up to him! and you propably don't remember being as old as you are, but both IBM and AT&T didn't get any settelment when they were accused and losed in court on Monopoly, they got split apart! you propably wouldn't even have Internet today if AT&T didn't get split!

So you see, you live in the past, like remembering the good old days, and I don't blame you, with Microsoft in charge, there is no future for PC's, heck, CPU's were at 32bit back in the 386 and only now in the year 2002 you finally get a good stable 32bit system from Microsoft, while every other "failing" OS already had 32bit LONG ago.

You seem to fail to recognise that if one company rules, there will be NO improvments, there will be no advances!, Mr Bill Gates, inventor of the wheel, inventor of the internet, he does nothing but steal and take credit for things he never did and never would have thought off, heck, OS/2 came with fully loaded Networking way before Mr Bill Gates even knew what colaboration ment!, Lotus Notes STILL beats Outlook in every aspect! and had colaboration WAY before M$! so please dont teach me history, cause I know mine, you obviously did not do yours.

And yet again we go back to you not having your own opinion, and always quoting everyone else, which shows exactly how much time free you got, but i'll give you one little credit, yes, I do bash M$, and you still have not given a single, not even a slightest reason why the topic starter should install XP!, sure I said it's a piece of crap, and it is, you have not proved me wrong, the only advances in Technology in any of Microsoft's OS's seems to be Interface only!

Things move forward, they change, us little punks are what the future hold, and Microsoft will not dominate the market for much longer, and then will finaly have something we can proudly call an OPERATING SYSTEM.

And I didn't go off topic, you are the one who started the bashing of people and laughing at whatever profession they have for absolutly no reason, you seem to forget that the little people are those who actually do the work so your'e pathetic PC will actually work, it's the little ones who made ICQ, it's the little ones who invented the browser, not your beloved Microsoft which has done nothing but put the market to a hold.

And lastly, as for your latest question, unlike how you keep avoiding a simple question, I'll answer yours, cause we have the experience to answer the people who ask those questions!, how many mainboards have you tested ? how many OS's have you done beta testing for ? and that means more then 15min total time of installing, saying it's crap, and removing it ? how many cards have you checked for compatibility ? do you have a company giving you special thanks for helping them out ? i've got Special Thanks letters from Microsoft regarding 98/Me/2K and XP, cause unlike you, I was a beta tester! i've got other companies thanking me, but I don't want to "boost" my ego, cause it really doesn't bug me.

Now will you finally enlighten us all to what the hell is your job ? the job that seems to put all other jobs in the dark! the amazing most extraoridinary job that makes you think YOU are the god almighty and everyone else is an insect compared to you ?

[speedy]

Sefy, you simple don't get it. So you accuse Microsoft of "stealing" because in your limited knowledge of the business world you see Microsoft as some kind of villian.

Let me try to educate you, I admit that will be difficult for me, since trying to penentrate your closed mind won't be an easy task. You are obviously worefully unware of how the real world works. Still being tender in years you foolishly cling to antiquated concepts of what is or isn't morally and ethically acceptable. For sure that is an admirable position to take and one most kids assume until they wise up. I assue you I too years many ago held a similar view of the world. Indeed each generation does. One day I woke up to the real reality. The sooner you learn that lesson, however painful, the more success you will have in the business world. Now you can cling to you moral high ground if you wish, but doing so will get you nowhere in the business world. Harsh reality yes, but very true as you will learn sooner or later.

Yes, I read the information on the page you provided. True enough Big Blue (IBM) and Microsoft were working together. Even sort of became buddies, but ones stuck in a uncomfortable marriage. A marriage of convenience. The twinkle in the eye of Billy G was of course his pet project that we all know today as Windows. OS/2 was being developed as the story suggests. What the story fails to mention is IBM poured millions and millions of dollars into the OS/2 project and it NEVER got off the ground. OS/2 was another of history's classic flops... like CokeII. That doesn't mean it wasn't a good OS, it simply shows that the pubic rejected it.

Imagine yourself in IBM's boardroom (I've been in a few) as the board of directors finally make the painful decision to stop installing OS/2 on the IBM boxes they were building and instead install Windows. I'm sure they held their noses, yet they did it. Why? Lesson one for my idealistic dreamer is the bottom line ALWAYS gets down to show me the cash. IBM saw the writing on the wall. For sure it must have been very painful to install what had become an arch rival's OS in IBM PC's, but that's what the public demanded and so that's what happened.

Now lets look closer at your concept of "stealing" which based on what you said in this thread means anything not developed independently. That view of yours of course is nonsense. Time for lesson two my idealistic dreamer.

The second rule of business is don't try to reinvent the wheel if someone already beat you to it. Apparently you're pissed because Microsoft has a habit and a very sucessful one of refining and improving applications others may have originially conceived. The result is as the folks that once worked at Lotus, Word Perfect and Netscape will tell you is sooner or later they go belly up. However the public at large tends to benefit. Calm down sonny, I know you don't like that, but again IT IS HOW THE WORLD WORKS. It isn't stealing as you try to paint it. It is perfectly acceptable and legal everywhere in the world. Its called competition. If company B makes a better product then company A, then kid, that's life.

We agree that Bill Gates is a smart guy. Very. Not so much in a programming sense, but what many consider a genious at marketing which brings us to lesson three. It matters not if you have the "best" product, only that the public thinks you do. Mr. Gates excels in his marketing ability. Is is no accident that his operating systems are preinstalled on 95% of the personal computers sold. You may argue how that was accomplished, but you can't argue the effect it had. Because of briliant marketing Microsoft has what amounts to a strangle hold on all hardware vendors. They don't dare not support Microsoft, otherwise they risk going out of business.

That there is dominant operating system is a good thing for the consumer. Imagine if there were 3, 5, 8 different operating systems all with about the same market share all competing for the giant PC market. That would probably mean software developers most likely would have to decide which OS to support and the consumer would lose because he too would have to decide which OS to install and thus his choices of software would have been far more limited than it is today. I serious doubt applications like Photoshop, Corel Draw and yes the two favorite editing applications talked about so much in this forum would have the measure of success they do, if it were not for Windows being THE operating system to write for.

Time for business lesson four: If you can't beat them, join them. Even IBM with all its money had to install Windows on the boxes going out the door.

Business lesson five is watch what your compititors are doing. Microsoft is very, very good at that. Again you protest when Microsoft either outright buys some upstart company or puts some of its muscle into griding them down. Again kid, that's how the business world works. Its dog-eat-dog. Let me share another tidbit with you. Nobody gives you power. You take it. Remember that. If you do, you may go far. The business world is ruthless. If you climb high enough on the corporate ladder you better be ready to play hardball. If you want to hold on to your moral high ground, go find some position in academia.

I could go on and on, but I suspect you aren't listening. Too bad. Your problem is of your own making. It really boils down to you not liking how Microsoft does business. Here's a news flash, it is how business is done. What really amazed me as Microsoft grew and got stronger is why didn't some larger corporation do to Microsoft what they did to so many others? I don't have an answer, but my guess is companies that could have moved on Microsoft didn't because they didn't think personal computers would catch on or be so intertwined in our society as they are now. What I find contemptuous about your obvious hate of Microsoft is that you and other Microsfot bashers like you would probably would have hated ANY company that became what Microsoft has. So if the the dice landed differently and Apple or Digital or IBM or XEROX or GE or any of dozens of other companies that could have done what Microsoft has, you would instead being hating them with the same intensity which speaks volumes of where you're really coming from.

My main objection to you Sefy is your open hosility towards Microsoft. It is out of place and reflects badly on you. Obviously you are too young to forcefuly present your arguments in a more construcitve manner and while you may impress your generation with your ranting and screaming your anti-Microsoft poison at every opportunity, you only make people older than yourself think you just another smartass kid still with a lot of growing up to do. You really need to work on your image kid. Really. Then you won't need to tack on Certifed Computer Technician to try to bolster what you have to say.

[Sefy]

speedy, yet again you underestimate everyone around you, but i'll give you credit that when you want to talk like a human being, you actually can, but you may be older, but don't call me kid, i've long passed the teenage years, and I may not have "30 years in the business", but I do have 10 years of a
very hard working, yes, I have my ideals and maybe one day i'll become a bitter old man like yourself but that would be only if I sell out, you obviously care more about money then you do about your own self-respect, heck, you are so ashamed of yourself, you won't even give your job title!

Now as to what you have said, I agree with you on alot of parts, even though as usuall you think i'm nothing more then a punk kid, I do know how to business world goes, and you know what, you are a bit wrong, i've ran a store for two years when I was 16 to 18, sure it may not be much, but I left when my boss started spreading checks and started owning money, I knew that business won't last long, but all the time I was there, it was the best store in town, and competing bigger companies wanted me, cause they knew if they get me, they will get all the clients as well, cause they all come with me.

However, as i've mentioned, I have ethics, you may not believe in them, and I don't blame you, since I do know how the big world runs like, and everyone seems to live for money, well, i'm not living for money, I earn money so I can live, when we all die, no matter how rich you are, the money stays in the bank if you like it or not, either way, being ethical, I started working for the company I am in now till this day (about 8 years almost) because whenever I wanted to leave (boredom, I prefer store) they begged me to stay cause I was doing my job better then anyone else they had, and, I was polite and people were comfortable around me, unlike most PC Technicians which are mostly rude and don't know a single thing, and are unwilling to help.

So, now that you have my pathetic life history, lets move on to your education, as i've said, if you bothered paying attention, I do agree with you that "real life" is brutal, but if you haven't noticed there are RULES, which is if again you haven't noticed IBM, AT&T and Microsoft were in a Monopoly Trial and LOST, just like Microsoft WILL lose, they are already on a losing ground.

Now, as you read, you forgot to admit that as usuall, Microsoft is nothing but a common thief, and i'll tell you why step by step, like you took the time to try and educate me, firstly, OS/2 did take off the ground unlike what you said, OS/2 was a big hit, especialy in banks and extremly large corporations! to this very day you can find banks STILL running on OS/2, because it runs so well, and IBM STILL gives it the support (unlike ANY of Microsoft's OS!), and as I recall, OS/2 is extremly strong in Europe, and it has come up with a new version, so you may claim it's dead, and propably a cult like Linux, but that is because you are not involved in it one bit, for one, you can even run your beloved Office XP on OS/2! and loads of other applications, sure, not all, the Win32 Project is still going, but I want to see Win
(any of them) run any other applications from OS/2, or Linux, in OS/2, everything is becoming integrated it even has a Unix Project to be able to run Unix applications natively on OS/2, and as for the public rejecting it, that is bogus, IBM NEVER MENT FOR OS/2 TO BE FOR THE PUBLIC TO THIS DAY, it is ment for the LARGE corporations! period, no matter how you want to twist this, sure, bad judge on IBM, I agree with you whole heartedly! dumb and stupid mistake! but that's what their intentions WERE! face it!

Lets go to your education lesson two, Microsoft is NOTHING more then a COMMON thief! they claim in court they innovate the market, lets take a close look at the innovation, nothing but GRAPHIC changes with BS under it! Microsoft couldn't beat any of it's competitors, so it used Bully Tactics and their Desktop MONOPOLY to threten stores from distributing other products (you REALLY outta check the trial more often) and integrated their own products into Windows, cause you and I both know, the public is LAZY, if it gets something in the system, it won't bother checking rivals unless they got brains! and most DONT! And you did not name a SINGLE application made by Microsoft, and solely BY them! just a single product!!! and Therfor, innovation WILL die if Microsoft dominates the market! cause it won't have anyone to copy or rip off anymore! and that's where development will stop or slow to a pulp, and then they will start doing the heavy charging on your account on EVERY single free feature you used till now! you being in the big business for 30 years should know that is EXACTLY where it is going, and that is STEALING and MANIPULATING the law, which it appears, the public DOES NOT LIKE, and therefor they are in COURT!

I'm not argueing the effect Bill Gates strategy had on the market, which is why the only diffrence in an Office97 to 2000 to XP is NOTHING more then interface change! nothing!! get it ?? absolutly NOTHING! and imagine when the public has more then a single OS to choose from ? there will be competition again, and compatition is GOOD for the CONSUMER! because then the companies will try creating a better product and give more support to show how good they are, there will be less bugs! cause competition is GOOD! and it helps the PC industry! I cannot believe you are 30 years in the business and you do NOT know this!

Lesson number four, IBM hasn't joined Microsoft, they joined Linux, you really should get yourself more updated, sure they develope some programs for Windows, but they are strongly behind Linux, cause they do believe in OPEN community, which can share information across all kinds of systems, not just Windows!

Lesson number five, illegal for a company to bully another company by threatning the salesperson that he won't get his supply of Windows if he sells another companis product, they are in trial for that in case you haven't noticed, therefor it is ILLEGAL, and nothing more then BULLY tactics, cause they NEVER can do a thing without a product vs product, they would lose flat out! yes, nobody gives you power, you take it
away and make everyone your slaves, i've said I agree with you, but I never said I would sell my soul and accept it, you want to do it, that is your right and choice, I rather lose and have my integrity, i'm not after money, i'm after honesty, i'm sure you've heard of that concent 30 years ago.

As usuall you are underestimating me and everyone else by thinking we don't read or pay attention, pity for you, but that is your problem, not mine. and yes, it boils me to see GOOD products disapper because of how Microsoft does business, and here is a news flash for you, it's NOT how business is done! and that is why companies like Microsoft, that take advantage of their monopoly go to COURT! and die like the lousy worms they are, cause they are so busy making money, they will have to pay it all back (DR DOS reminds you
of anything ? they settled by Microsoft paying them a few billions) and no, you don't understand my hatred and yes I would hate any company, even if that was Linux or OS/2, if they were using those tactics to kill competition! but not if they become as strong and Microsoft, and still keep an honest business! that is where you are DEAD wrong!

My main objection to you speedy is just your rudeness and incapablity of having a decent discussion, and your ugly approach to people without even knowing them, and how you judge everyone, and you are forgetting one thing, I may be "biased" towards Microsoft, for just reasons you'll have to admit eventually, atleast i'm not biased against EVERYTHING that isn't Microsoft! you hate and are BIASED and won't give a chance and I mean a REAL chance to any competing product, you want it to be Microsoft, period, even if it's crap and you know it's crap, you prefer an unstable system to a perfectly stable running one, which will do all your duties and more!, so I may be Anti Microsoft, and that I rant, but I don't try to impress anyone! it is MY opinions, and last I checked, we live in a free world where everyone can voice their opinions! so you may think i'm just a smart ass kid that needs alot of growing up to do, but you are an old gizer that can't accept anything then what he was brainwashed to believe, I have options, do you ? oh, and I use my logo just
like you are so proud of your 30 year in a business which you won't even name, still ashamed to tell us all what is or was your profession ?

And I don't force my opinion like you do, and reject everything everyone say like YOU do, I accept other people's mind, prove me wrong, and i'll admit I was wrong, there is no shame in being wrong, that means you learned something new! but I guess it's true you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
I don't need to use my logo, all those who know me, can tell you how I am, I don't need to tell you or to prove anything to you, and i'm proud of what and who I am, ARE YOU ?

[dumwaldo]

don't you guys get it? speedy is nothing more than a sales rep. his knowledge is completely based on marketing ploys and sales techniques,not on the technology itself. he is nothing more than the guy that goes out to circuit city and convinces them to carry sony computers. he is a SALESMAN for crying out loud. hell the guy cant even figure out how to use a link, how much could he really know? he has droned on for several pages while completely avoiding presenting any facts or answering any questions. he has side steped every issue put to him without answering the charges made, just like a good salesman will.

taking computer advice from speedy is like taking auto advice from a used car salesman.

sorry speedy didn't mean to expose you for the fraud you are and give you that little ass kicking but your sales rhetoric is just getting to deep and there is an outside chance that some poor hapless soul might accidentally believe you have a clue.

FACT: M$ announced the most secure OS ever in its line.
FACT: less than 2 weeks after launch the biggest security vulnerability in the history of OSes was exposed in windows XP
FACT: it took between 5 and 6 weeks after they were notified for M$ to create and make available a patch, leaving their consumers unprotected for 6 week while they knew about it.

this does not sound like a wise choice for an OS. next time you want to comment pick up the phone and call some of the real experts and not the techs at M$ that feed you your sales pitch. like bill cosby said, you might just learn something.

[speedy]

Sefy, as you get older you tend to refer to those younger as kid. Not so much because people in their 30's or less look younger than me, they sure do, more so because they act like kids like you have demonstrated repeatedly.

Bitter? Heck no, I'm having a blast. Not many people get to retire (OK, semi-retire) at 42. I did. Best decision I ever made.

I made a serious attempt to teach you a couple of life's lessons. You seem to be one of those guys that sees the glass as half empty as opposed to half full. That's too bad for someone as young as you. Microsoft isn't any more evil than GE, General Motors, Sony, Toyota or any other corporation you care to name.

You simply don't know yet how the game is played. Lighten up. Microsoft has done a lot of good. Gates already has donated hundreds of millions of his personal fortune to charity and except for ten million a piece he aside aside for his kids the balance of his hundreds of billions is set to be given away. Now how can you hate a guy that's doing that?

[speedy]

Sefy, take a chill pill!

Rarely has any forum or newsgroup had one person pour out so much bitterness towards Microsoft. I was wrong to refer to you as just another Microsoft basher. No, you're obsessed with Microsoft. Your rants are on a par with binLaden's hate of Americans and Jews.

Geez, Sefy if your goal is to portray yourself as a wild eyed zealot hellbent on destroying Microsoft, your rants of the last couple days have done much to further that goal.

It would be a fair assumption that many people are no longer seeing you as that 'certified computer technician' and instead see you now as just some crazy hot headed Microsoft basher.

Its all about creditability kid, and you've done nothing to improve yours the last couple days.

[speedy]

FACT for dumwaldo who is proving himself to be dumb waldo. Never worked in sales. Sorry, you get two more gusses.

[Sefy]

speedy, I see just when I was about to give you credit you go and ruin it for yourself, here I thought you finaly learned how to communicate, and bang, you ruin it, oh well, can't say I did not try to communicate with you.

You made a serious attempt, and I appriciated it, but if does appear you are the only one who will not accept any other persons opinion, your's is what counts, you think because you are old you got more experience, well, sometimes with age there is no experience.

Yes, i'm a pesimist, but in an optimistic kind of way, I can see both the good and the bad, and unfortunatly, there is no good in Microsoft, see, you have not commented on a single little thing i've mentioned, maybe because you know i'm right and you are just afraid or shamed that a youngster like me knows alot more then you think.

Of course Mr Gates has donated money, he has to look a little bit good in the public eye, all the large corporations donate money! the interesting is, he used to have more then anyone, and yet, in percentage, he donated the LEAST!.

I have no bitterness against Microsoft, that is something you don't seem to get, again, misjudging a person, i couldn't care less if you use it or don't, that is you're problem, i'm not using it, and i'll use any competing brand, I get better performance, and I get support, something you'll never get.

And if people here want to see me only as a Microsoft Baser, well, that's fine by me, but as for them no longer seeing me as a Certified Technician, well, so far the emails still keep coming, and people still appriciate my advice, but I do think that after the last few days, you have lost any respect any one might have had for you, mostly for you're disrespect for just about anyone, which is something you propably forgot with age.

You think Money is everything in life, that is very much pity, sure, money is very nice to have, and you can buy the best things to make your life easy, but if you are willing to sell yourself for it, well, that's your decision, I have what I need, sure, like loads of people I always want more, it's a good thing to want, but it doesn't bug me all that much like it seems to bug you.

And yes, it's all about creadibility and respect, and you sir don't have none, some here on the forum may think less of me, that is their choice, but you speedy, not only you had none, you lost all you did have, cause all you have done throughout the entire time was bash people for no just reasons, you keep thinking you are a god given gift, you think because you have 30 years in the business then that means you know something, it may be true in some cases, but it looks like you were not in touch with the world in the last century or so.

I Know how to game is played, again, a underestimation on your part, but what you don't get, is that you don't have to play the game dirty, there is no innovation in that, and you have not made a single comment of ANY of the thing i've said, maybe because you are ashamed to admit you are wrong, because if you had commented and maybe proved me wrong, i'd say, hey, when you're right your right, and i'm wrong, but I guess that won't happen.

And yet again, you remind us of how old you are, and how much experience you keep imagining you have, and yet you are so in love with your profession, the one that is above the rest of us, that you aren't even daring to say it's name, just trying to play a silly game.

[d4n13l]

[WARNING: BITCHSLAP ABOUT TO OCCUR!]
Keep it up guys.

[speedy]

Underestimate you Sefy? Opponent? No, just trying to understand why anyone would plaster a forum with 'certified computer technician'. So you're trying to get noticed so somebody may assist you in immigrating from Israel to someplace like Australia? That's the purpose? Hasn't worked has it. Maybe I should add a signature line like 'aging fat guy with hairy back looking for girlfriend. Looks not important, must be good cook.'

Hint: This isn't a job forum or a place to look for help to immigrate to some other country because the one you're in now is getting too hot for you to handle.

Still the obsession with my profession? Kind of hard for me to claim my career was better since I never did give any details what it was have I? Seems some people are hung up that just off the cuff I mentioned I had 30 years experience. Of course that the line got some attention I picked up the ball and ran with it just to see how much mileage I could get with it. Lots it seems.

You a friendly guy and NEVER engage in flames and always try to break up "fights" and stuff like that? Really?

Must be two Sefys in this forum I guess or you have an evil twin that posts under your name when you're not looking. Someone named Sefy made all the following comments in the past couple days:

And yes, i'm accusing Bill Gates/Microsoft of stealing. Of course you're not bashful at taking personal shots like the following aimed at me: You old hairy farting goat, I'm satan in disguise, I worship the devil himself, you are the devil, haven't your mama gave you any manners when you grow up ? I mean, i'm sure you got plenty of time on your hands being 60 and all, and you know of course everything, and that sinile brain of yours can even remember what you are saying. What are you? Bill Gates Lover Boy you should be in a coufin, cause you obviously not doing anything helpfull for anyone.

Right Sefy, use this forum to let people know what your like. You did kid. You really did. Like I said you're just a angry punk ass kid drunk over his supposed importance to the forum looking to immigrate from Isreal. I just hung you with your own words. All in sport of course. You do like playing these games right?

I did misjudge you. Sorry. Obviously you can dish it out but get bent way out of shape when on the receving end. So rest assured I won't "discuss" topics with you anymore. Wouldn't want to traumatize you, you have such a thin skin.

[Sefy]

Dear Friends of VCDhelp forum,
As some of you know me, i'm a nice friendly guy, who always tries to help, as you propably know recently me and several other members have been insulted repeatedly by a member known as speedy well, as i've told our dear member speedy, to never underestimate your opponent, as it seems we are not the only forum that he has graced us with his presense (as you will soon find out) and, it appears he continues to insult members, meaning he has not learned from his vast 30 years of
experience, so I bring you our speedy, also known as:

William G. Schlake
Hobson Square Publishing

He has indeed done many things in his long life, which for some reason he was not so proud of, such as working for the Marketing Department of the Major Wineroes, indeed a perstige profession that sure is more important and glorious then being a carpenter, and a programmer, or a simple Computer Technician. for those of you who are questioning, here is a place where you can read it: http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=86248

So it appears our dear "Mr Marketing Schemuck" has no 30 year experience in computers, but now, we know why he loves Microsoft so much, their Marketing Department, it's a rough world out there and it's also very cold and lonely at the top Mr William G. Schlake! cause you seem to have been exposed (and it's not your "pink hairy ass" as you did in other posts), there are Three things you can count on in this world:

Death
Taxes
Salesmen pretending there's always right. About everything

Some of you might enjoy some of our beloved Marketing Schmuck's publication over the net, such as:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=wvg%40enteract.com&selm=331ee528.1117668%40news.ente...act.com&rnum=5

So as you can see, not only our dear friendly speedy has been exposed as a liar, who by the way, has no qualifications in ANYTHING, dumwaldo shows far more technical knowledge about XP then he will ever possess, he is nothing more then a "middle manager" who loves pushing people around, but since he is now "semi-retired" and can no longer perform that task, he comes to newsgroups and all sorts of forums to bash people, since he propably misses that in his daily job, oh and unlike him, here are some interesting "reading materials" you might be interested in:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=wvg%40enteract.com&hl=en&sa=N&tab=wg
http://suso.suso.org/programs/news2html/groups/alt.ascii-art/2000042507454200.phtml

So unlike our beloved "usenet troll" here, and that I dont have people emailing my ISP to have me cut off from the net because of improper behavior or decency.

So Dear Mr William G. Schlake of Hobson Square Publishing, who's credibility has now been ruined ? me ? the "egoistic" and with "many narcissistic qualties", ohh... you set me up so good! after all you did write this didn't you:

"To get along with you boss, or other people for that matter, you have to know how to understand and react to personality traits, get inside your boss's head. In short, you need to develop your human relations skills."

here is the link to your article: http://www216.pair.com/vtww/ebooks/storms.txt

Well, you should take up on your own advice, cause I have now had a *GOOD* look inside *YOUR* head! and that is one scary place!, if you are going to be a "hairy ass" you should atleast learn to cover your tracks mr "middle manager", cause you left a trail WIDE OPEN that even a janitor can track you
down!

This is the end of the road Mr William G. Schlake of Hobson Square Publishing, Middle Manager and nothing more then a troll who is hated by all, your bluff has been busted, no wonder you don't want us to know any details about you, but next time, close the door behind you, cause No matter which
forum you are in, you are always is at the center of a storm. Much like a child has to be at the center of attention.

But, even our dear speedy has a soft heart, after all, he does recommand VCDhelp to other forums

[d4n13l]

A verbis ad verbera - From words to blows.