Should I install windows XP??

[speedy]

One more thing about the stability of XP. I got my copy on 10/25. That's the first day it came out for the public, the "official" retail version anyhow. I gave up on being a beta tester. Been there, done that for years for companies like Microsoft, Adobe and IBM.

Not once with XP have I had a single crash, lock-up, slow down or blue screen and I have (hold on to your chair) 406 applications presently installed, currently 96,405 files according to Norton when it runs its anti-virus, (over 34GB in one partition) every IRQ in use, several deivces share one IRQ without a problem, have firewire, USB, two CD-RW burners, a 5 year old scanner, both Easy CD 5 and Nero and Direct CD (all work fine together, thanks) 4 printers, etc., etc., etc.. Only 256 MB memory. It flys!

You get BSOD's? Give you odds you have a non signed driver.

I'm not a "certifed computer technician"

Hell no. Just some guy who has spent about 30 years working with computers as lowly as the TRS-80 to main frames on average 16 hours a day, seven days a week. XP isn't perfect. Still the best effort Microsoft has released so far. When you start to look under the hood and I just started, you'll discover XP is way beyond NT. Microsoft really did their homework on this baby.

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[Sefy]

What i find funny about speedy's post is the fact he doesn't give any facts, actually he says alot about nothing, now that is funny!

And since you mentioned Certified Computer Technician, I doubt you got anything to go with your name, or you would propably know that it goes for the hardware side, but will drop that since you obviously only know how to flame and not actually say anything smart.

And if you knew how to read you'd already know why I hate Microsoft, but that's my business anyway.

Some actually facts, IBM still serves OS/2 users, of an OS that is 6 years old, do you see Microsoft supporting a 6 year old OS ? heck, they don't even serve a 2 years old! their idea of supporting is for you to buy another piece of shit they call an new OS which does less then the previous one and yet you pay for it.

And of course you share with us your wonderful sight for the future, you propably don't keep track with the trial, will see in 5 more years how long Microsoft will be around and in what form.

Linux will propably beat everything, heck, DreamWorks which is if you don't know a LARGE studio from Steven Spielberg have REMOVED all their Windows systems to Linux! so that means people do give a shit, or why would customers always complain ? returns of Linux ? what returns ? its' a free OS!
and it's install process is much better then any Windows so far! heck, BeOS loads in 5 sec and you also get connected to the net! Microsoft is nothing but bloatware, but then again, it serves bloatpeople like you.

Of course people like you don't give a shit, which is why they look like you, misreable, poor excuses for unjustified existance that will do what ever their superme lord Bill Gates tells them, and you will like it, cause you don't know anything else besides that small little dream world you are living in.
I'm on the other hand, and people who know how to think for themselfs will not be limited and will have other alternatives which will work and not just work better, cause we will have a choice, you don't, you are an a narrow minded person which doesn't even know how to communicate.

[TOMMO]

As you have have XP I can understand the desire to install it.

I would suggest you do the following:-

1. Back up all the files yu want to keep.

2. Search the Internet for your hardware drivers to see if there are XP drivers.

3. Install XP as a dual boot so at least if you have problems, then at least you can keep working on your current system.

I have just done the same thing. First impressions, XP looks good and has set up all of my hardware. Yet to try the serious stuff with video yet - but so far so good. At least its different and quite nice. However I have had to roll back a couple of times, so be prepared.

[THE RIPPER]

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On 2001-12-25 16:48:23, Martok wrote:
Suggest Windows 2000 Pro. Rock solid...NO BLUE SCREENS...NO LOCKUPS. Will run almost anything (with a little tweaking). Make sure you have all your drivers and updates for software FIRST. Benchtests faster than XP.

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This is also wrong, windows XP has beat win2000 in every bench test done that I have read.
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THE ONLY BENCHMARK THAT XP HASBEAT 2K IS STARTUP AND SHUTDOWN SPEEDS, BESIDES SOMMERSBY HAS DELUSIONS ABOUT HIS ENCODE TIMES ANY WAY.

[Sefy]

speedy, 406 applications and only 95,000 files ? now that sounds pretty weird, either you made that up, or you don't know what you got installed, cause I got only about 30 to 40 apps and i'm on Windows98SE, and I got over 120,000 files!

I've had BSOD's and i'm on 98SE, and i've been a Beta Tester for Microsoft (95/98/NT4/2000 and XP) and i've stayed with 98SE cause unlike all the rest, it loads everything and has the highest compatibility of them all.

30 years in Computers and you still don't know what you are talking about, i'm practicly shocked if you can't tell that XP is nothing more then an interface facelift from 2000, and everyone who works "under the hood" knows it.

[speedy]

Seems I'm starting to get under Sefy's skin. Tell me, just what is a 'certified computer technician' anyways? Sounds like the guy you talk to when you call "tech" support. That's usually some green as grass new hire that don't know jack shit and who's typical advice is reformat or reinstall Windows. Or maybe the guy that works at some retail chain that charges $80 to install a hard drive or some such simplistic thing any ten year old kid can do.

If you only have 'about 30-40 applications', and have 120,000 files, I strongly suggest you clean up your hard drive Mr. Computer Technician. If you need help on how, just ask. I suspect you included data files in your count, I keep my data files on a seperate partition and didn't count them. My list only included applications and there assorted support files.

Your statement "...i've stayed with 98SE cause unlike all the rest, it loads everything and has the highest compatibility of them all." curious, that flys in the face of every comment I've seen on dozens of web sites from true Windows experts. Kindly explain why in your view you think otherwise.

The "fact" is Windows98 is prone to crash because of two major problems; applications can share memory space, or the OS allowed poorly written drives to make direct calls bypassing the OS, hence the dreaded blue screen of death nightmere is fairly common, depending of course on what hardware/software you're running.

Under XP each application runs in its own memory space. That dramatically reduces the chance of a crash, and if one happens there are far better recovery tools and only the offending application goes South, not your entire system, so no more forced reboots, lockups or hangs. Also gone from XP is DOS, (yes you still can access a command prompt, but no longer a DOS kernel lurking beneath Windows. No more limited System Resources either, another big cause of lockups if you ran our system a long time without rebooting. Surprised a 'certifed computer technician' doesn't know those things. If he does, (?)your bias prevented you from admitting those improvements and many others were made.

Compatibility isn't based alone on if or not some operating system can install a program. You're right in the sense that under Windows98 you could install most anything. That's no longer true with XP. Signed drivers help ensure your hardware has been tested and "certifed" by Microsoft to work. That carries much more weight with me than someone casually throwing out he's a "certifed computer technician" in some forum all the while he blindly bashes Microsoft for "personal reasons" as you suggested. Now don't get me wrong Sefy. You can bash Microsoft all you want. Just expect me or others to counter your "facts" actual deeply seated bias with real facts if you persist. LOL!

True if you're use to WIN2000 then many of the changes in XP are subtle. After all XP is built on the same kernel. What people are crowing about and rightly so is XP merges the good things from the WIN X OS world and the NT world making for the first homogenized version of Windows that's suitable for Joe Average and corporate types alike all wrapped up in a highly customized interface. There are many other "improvements" to XP including far greater security if you're moving up from WIN98. You also have a better interface, a

[dumwaldo]

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On 2002-01-01 00:51:25, speedy wrote:
One more thing about the stability of XP. I got my copy on 10/25. That's the first day it came out for the public, the "official" retail version anyhow. I gave up on being a beta tester. Been there, done that for years for companies like Microsoft, Adobe and IBM.
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sorry but it doesnt matter if M$ calls it a commercial release, untill a service pack comes out anybody running windows XP is a beta tester and that includes you.



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Not once with XP have I had a single crash, lock-up, slow down or blue screen and I have (hold on to your chair) 406 applications presently installed, currently 96,405 files according to Norton when it runs its anti-virus, (over 34GB in one partition) every IRQ in use, several deivces share one IRQ without a problem, have firewire, USB, two CD-RW burners, a 5 year old scanner, both Easy CD 5 and Nero and Direct CD (all work fine together, thanks) 4 printers, etc., etc., etc.. Only 256 MB memory. It flys!
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again just as i stated before i gave many valid reasons to stay away from windowsXP supported by links to independant reviews and information that back up my claimes. you have continued with your "i use it and its good" argument with nothing to support your statements. i would still like to see any valid information to show me that i am wrong about the gaping security holes, the non M$ compatibility issues, or the underhanded tactics implored by M$ to promote their own interests that are developed into windows XP.



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On 2002-01-01 00:51:25, speedy wrote:
Hell no. Just some guy who has spent about 30 years working with computers as lowly as the TRS-80 to main frames on average 16 hours a day, seven days a week.
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you know when you flat out lie you really damage your own credibility. the TRS-80 came out in the LATE 70's making it no more than 20 to 23 years old at tops. yes i know this as a fact because i really did have a TRS-80. BTW in its time the TRS-80 was an incredibly advanced machine for the consumer market. by you assertation that you have been working on computer for 30 years should i assume your computer experience pre dates even the the 8" floppy disk invented in 1971? no instead i will make the safe assumption that you are full of shit and trying to bolster your credentials because you dont realize some of us were actually there not just reading about it on the internet.



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Still the best effort Microsoft has released so far. When you start to look under the hood and I just started, you'll discover XP is way beyond NT. Microsoft really did their homework on this baby.
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not by a longshot. windows 2000 is by far the best OS released by M$ to date. benchmarks from several third party reviewers have supported the fact that XP is no faster than 2000 except for boot times as i have supported previously with links. interestingly enough boot times are pretty unimportant to someone who doesnt shut down their computer but is very attractive to the clueless consumer market that shuts down when they are done for the moment because they dont know it is more taxing on your hardware to cold start it often rather than just leave it running. there are security problems with XP that simply do not exist with windows 2000 as i pointed out before and supported with a link. you havent shown anything to support your claims that windows XP is the best product from M$ other than a windows fan site.



for everybodies benefit lets look at some of the improvments made in windows XP that you dont get from windows 2000.

PRODUCT ACTIVATION:
fact: windows XP inventories your hardware and keeps track of it. windows 2000 doesn't.

WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER:
windows 2000 comes with the last simple clean version of windows media player (6.4) that uses very little resources and acts like the utility it was designed to be. windows XP comes with an over bloated media player that uses 3 times the resources that 6.4 does and has built in links to M$ related sites. and another interesting fact is that the media player in XP can encode a WMA file but not an MP3 file. could this possibly be because franhauffer owns the mp3 format and M$ would rather have the world get used to their own format? is it because commercial developers must pay liscence fees to use either format commercially and M$ would rather pad their own pockets than promote another type of digital format? i dont know the answers but i do know this, it is very evident that M$ had their own interests involved when designing this media player and not the needs of the user.

IMPROVED .net SUPPORT:
ok now this is something that you dont see on the surface so it is probably something speedy has no idea about. in case you didnt know this M$, incontent with the HTML, java, and flash that has suited the rest of the world, has created their own language for programing on the web. this is called .net and M$ spent a great amount of resources improving the .net compatibility of windows XP. some would say they invested so much effort into that compatibility that they made no improvments at all over the way windows 2000 handles HTML, java, and flash.



INTEGRATED FIREWALL:
oh great M$ included a firewall in windows XP so i can keep my computer safe while it is connected to my cable modem. wait, it doesnt monitor any out going transmissions? not a single one? that sounds like it was designed to keep out trojans but allow any trojan programs already installed to run completely unfettered. so i suppose if M$ wanted their OS to "phone home" and you are just using their firewall you would never know. but again that is a moot point because the OS itself has improved access to raw data sockets where instructions are transmitted to and from the internet without firewall regulation, so they could just have XP send info out by exploiting the raw data sockets. in fact M$ could conceivably do the same thing for office XP that requires you also allow the program access to these sockets in order to install it. why something like office would need access to "core data access" componants is beyond me when it is not even an internet application with the exception of the included outlook program or as some educated users like to think of it the best friend of the virus spreader.

i am not a computer technician and you will not find me making boastfull claims of past experience. i am just an EDUCATED windows user. you seem to have fallen victim of M$'s marketing bacause everything you say sounds like the rhetoric that M$ tries to pass as PR. take some time to unbiasedly look at some information from more than one source and i think you will find that windows 2000 is superior to XP at this point in time. the only thing microsoft really did their homework on is how to convince people these advancements of their own interests are for your benefit and from the looks of your posts it seems they have convinced some people.

i can not side with sefy on this because i do feel the ease of use and compatibility make windows far more attractive than any unix based OS. while these other OSes do offer a great deal more security and stability the lack of a more user friendly interface is a MAJOR draw back in my oppinion. the design of an OS should take all users into account and so far i do not see the unix based OSes spending to much effort on the consumer level market, but i do see a rise in the commercial industry. basically for a network administrator with extensive computer experience and understanding it makes more sense to set up the company network on a linux server but for the average user setting up a desktop computer at home to surf the net windows is by far the better OS. not everybody has the time to learn how computers work, most barley have time to learn how to work the computer so untill some flavor of linux comes around with the same ease of use as a windows system i will keep singing praise for windows 2000 as the best OS out there.

[speedy]

Seems I pissed off another Microsoft basher. Sorry Waldo, you need a thicker skin. I lied, how? Perhaps a remedial class in reading comprenhension would benefit you. With reference to the TRS-80, I said it was a lowly computer (a toy actually, my first personal computer) NOT my first experience with computers. My second PC was something called a Compucolor, then I build a Heathkit. I've been around the block a few times with PC's of various flavors.

For your further education I worked with main frames going back to as early as the late 60's when they had vacuum tubes and were as big as a truck. Since this is now 2002, that's more than 30 years computer experience. Now lets not get further into a pissing contest with who is or isn't "experienced". Some of use simply don't need to tack on 'certified computer technician' or other self serving glorifications to attempt to add weight to their feeble arguments.

Now lets discuss service packs. True, some corporations won't touch a version of Windows until the first service pack. Understandable. However for you to suggest the retail version is still a beta until the first service pack is released is laughable. True also as I myself have said several times in this forum and elsewhere the real testing begins when any product gets into the hands of the general public. That's because Windows is expected to support a huge universe of hardware and software out of the box. The possible combinations are almost limitless. If nobody bought and installed Windows until all bugs were out, seems to be what both your and Sefy are suggesting...then we all still would be stuck on version 2 of Windows, released over a decade ago. All applications, especially operating systems contain coding errors. That's true for ALL operating systems. Should I post a few thousand words on the "bugs" still in UNIX, or LINUX?

The "fact" is any operating system that is comprised of millions of lines of code will have thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of coding errors that won't show up until tested under real world conditions. They mostly effect less than 1% of users. The very ones that rant, bitch and bellyache in newsgroups and forums like this because they are helpless on their own to properly troubleshoot and solve problems.

You and Sefy apparently demand perfection. Odd, two of the most disciplined career paths are those that become doctors and lawyers. Note, both "practice" their skills. You expect to hold computer science to a loftier perch? Get real.

I don't need to offer a laundry list of sites that review Windows XP favorably. I give the readers of this forum the benefit of the doubt that THEY can make up their own minds if or not to install XP. Contrast that with the only negative comments both you and Sefy spout about XP. In fact if you go back and read what I said earlier in this thread I suggested people NOT upgrade to XP unless they had problems with system crashes and the like.

Have either of you actually installed XP and used it? If so, for how long and under what conditions? My guess is neither of you did, but that didn't stop either of you from whailing against it.

The most obvious fact is both you and Sefy are blinded by your obvious bias against Microsoft and Windows in particular.

When and if either of you can stop your blind screaming that XP is crap, perhaps we can have a reasonable discussion of its merits and shortcomings. Till then, all both of you are doing is making a lot of noise.

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[dumwaldo]

yes i installed XP on a laptop that NEVER gets connected to the internet. i was incredibly unimpressed and after several hours of tweaking i found it to offer no advantage over windows 2000 other than major security problems and every thing in it is over bloated and branded with microsfts own intrests.

WMP was bloated beyond recognition because M$ was scared people might use someone elses product. MS messenger was added as a default part of the install to discourage people from using another competitive product. the XP firewall was added as a default to discourage people from getting a third party firewall. the audio encoder in WMP was added to discourage people from making mp3 files. the improved .net support was added to discourage people from using competing programing languages. the product activation was added to discourage piracy but does nothing to stop the damaging commercial level piracy. the true reason for implimentation of full access to raw data sockets is still yet to be uncovered because even microsoft can't seem to publicly explain why. it seems to me that just about every improvment over windows 2000 has some kind of hidden agenda that does not take the end user into account at all. at least that is how it seems to me based on the facts.



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i may be a microsoft basher but i really do not see how. i tout windows 2000, a M$ product, as the premier OS to use so possibly this OS does not count when you formulate an oppinion. just as the MAJOR problems under the pretty GUI dont seem to count when you formulated an oppinion of XP.

you know internet explorer was the cause of alot of trouble for M$. they were charged with creating an anti competitive market by including IE as part of windows. by including IE with the default install for windows the use of other browsers was discouraged to the point that the federal government had to step in to rectify the situation. the release of windows XP marks a new era for M$. they are no longer content to controll the browser market and the content of the windows XP install show that they are looking to controll the market of anything on the internet.

simply put M$ could have put together a stable and secure OS with windows XP however instead they chose to spend their time, money and effort trying to figure out how they could push more competition out of the box. its a shame they didnt spend more effort on the actual OS instead of a pile of useless software to accompany windows 2001 errrr i mean windows XP

now again to question your integrity and honesty i would like to state that there was never a computer called a Compucolor. the first computer Compucolor corp. introduced to the public market was the Compucolor II, and it came out in 1977, well short of your claimed 30 years of experience. making a mistake like calling a Compucolor II a Compucolor is like saying you had an Apple e instead of an Apple IIe. yeah i know that was your second computer but it was not introduced untill a decade after you claimed to have started using computers and you dont even know what you had so it seems very fishy.

you claim to have experience going back to the late 60's working on mainframes. so i am supposed to believe your knowledge pre dates the internet itself (aarpanet in 1969 is considered by experts the birth of the internet) yet you can't see the problem of the windows XP TCP/IP stack in the hands of joe average user. then there is this that you said...
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and i find it surprising that you with all your computer experience and knowledge didn't know EVERY SINGLE point you mention here is the product of windows 2000. these are not improvments made in windows XP they are the aspects of windows 2000 that were ALWAYS there in the first place carried over to XP. i guess it was your windows XP bias that made you fail to realize these features have been in windows 2000 since its initial launch.

from reading your posts i have concluded you are either...

A> completely full of shit
or
B> just trolling
or
C> the dumbest computer professional to ever live ( i am a carpenter and i seem to be more knowledgable than you)

instead of thinking you know what you are talking about try reading some unbiased information and discover why XP is being bashed here. this has nothing to do with the fact that the OS came from M$ and everything to do with the fact that it is not an improvment for the user, it is an improvment for the company regardless of who they are. i would definatley advise anyone using windows 9x to upgrade to windows 2000 but i wouldnt tell anybody to install XP unless i didn't like them.


P.S. i dont need a thicker skin. i take none of this personally but the very few bits information you are posting are mostly completely wrong so i post to make sure readers can see all sides and have enough information to make their own decisions. my motives for posting are for everybodies benefit and not just to show what a lying, uninformed, uneducated troll you are.

[alfalfa]

Ok, not trying to inflame the OS wars, but does anyone out there have a Netware VLM client install file out there? OK. Get NT4 installation you can crash. Run the nwunpack.exe (I think thats its name). Its just a decompressor along the lines of extract.exe on the Windows CD. This seemingly innocent DOS exe hangs NT4. Solid. Sad. I've reproduced this on several machines with clean installs. Might give it a go on XP

[d4n13l]

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Linux will never go anywhere. A cult following at best.
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ROTFLMAO!
Sometimes, you make sense... then you come out with crap like this!
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I suppose that the vast majority of *real* power users are a cult then? I suppose that you know of lots of people with Windoze XP for Sparc, or know of many clusters running under Windoze? No? Me neither .
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But, the fact is that Linux IS already established. However, bear in mind that it is established amongst power users; away from Joe Public.
Linux doesnt yet suit 99% of home users as it is too complicated.
<Newsflash>
Computers ARE complicated
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If you want the FULL control of your computer, Windoze is hardly the OS that you want running the show.
Perhaps one day, Linux may be the desktop OS of choice, perhaps not: That is for another day and not really what this thread is about. All I see in this thread are Windozers debating Windoze - I think that I am the only Linux user in this thread.
You can keep your XP Pro in the knowledge that it is the OS for the dumb masses, I will keep my Linux in the knowledge that it is the OS for the power user: I will happily be labeled a "cult" follower if it means that I have the full control of my PC. After all, it is how I make my living.

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[Kdiddy]

(Damn I always run out of beer & pretzels, just when the action really gets going)

[speedy]

Maybe you're just a closet Microsoft basher, Waldo.

As far as the security issue XP is a big leap forward for users of WIN98 for two reasons. Control over folder/file permissions similar to UNIX based systems and in the pro version, operating system based on the fly file encryption/decryption.

Instead of spending hours "tweaking" and getting nowhere your time would have been better spent reading a decent XP book. Several are out now that go beyond the typical fluff.

I got a good laugh over your "ideas" about some hidden agenda as to why things were added/changed in XP. You have an insider source on Microsoft policy like maybe one of the boys at Redmond or are you just engaging in wild speculation again?

I see you are also an accomplished nitpicker. It may have been a Compucolor or a Compucolor II. Big deal already, so long ago I can't remember and I gave that box away about twenty years ago. I mentioned it simply to point out I had several computers BEFORE the IBM clones hit the market. One more time Waldo, try to actually READ what I said. I didn't claim to have 30+ years experience with PC's, I said I had 30+ years experience with computers. You know, those big things they call main frames and back then costed millions.

Waldo, Waldo, Waldo, what does open sockets, (what I assume what you're now bellyaching about) have to do with what you quoted from my previous post? Since you admit your XP Internet experince amounts to nill, nada, zero... kindly explain WHERE you got the information from. Maybe from me, since I posted the link to Steve Gibson's site some time back, who is a REAL computer guru, not some carpenter wannabe. Steve is the guy that tired to talk Microsoft out of open sockets, which is detailed on his web site. I haven't decided who's right. Both Steve and Microsoft have valid points.

Reading your posts which are now growing increasingly hostile it seems you are desperately trying to save face for spouting some of the cocked-eyed bullshit you were previously trying to sell as gospel. I never once said that XP was a leap beyond NT or that XP had totally new code, in fact I said XP took the best of NT and the WIN 95-98 world.

For the record, I only see two people bashing XP. One of those people is you Waldo. I mean it is entertaining in its own weird way to read, then respond to the garbage you write, but as yet all you've offered you opinion, which you admit is biased.

Maybe you should stick to being a carpenter instead of just pasting uninformed opinions taken from the web site du jour which lead to your original misinformation in the first place. What you've been doing is posting opinions. That's fine. When you attempt to elevate your opinion to fact, that is wrong which is the only reason I jumped on your back.

By your own omission you said "...yes i installed XP on a laptop that NEVER gets connected to the internet." your XP experience seems very, very limited, yet you go right on advising people not to do something based on what?

a. your biased view
b. rumor
c. web site du jour
d. all of the above.

[dumwaldo]

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For your further education I worked with main frames going back to as early as the late 60's when they had vacuum tubes and were as big as a truck. Since this is now 2002, that's more than 30 years computer experience. Now lets not get further into a pissing contest with who is or isn't "experienced". Some of use simply don't need to tack on 'certified computer technician' or other self serving glorifications to attempt to add weight to their feeble arguments.
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ok let me educate YOU here.

in 1960 computers went solid state. what that means is the tube was replaced with the chip. in 1960 IBM released the series 7000 computer with solid state chips to replace the 700 series of vaccuum tube machines. the 7000 series represented a few different models leading up to 1963 when IBM released the 7094 II, the most powerfull computer to date. then in 1964 IBM released the IBM system 360 and defined the concept of cross compatibility. the success of that one machine was so great it cause IBM to move to a larger office. by 1967 the microchip was so small it could fit on a finger tip and IBM released the system 360 - model 25, the next generation of the original system 360. by 1968 the model 85 was out making use of DRAM and using a file buffer. computing as we know it was defined and in practice by the year 1967, ironically the year that marks the begining of the late 60's.

you see computers built between 1964 and 1972 are often regarded as 'third generation' computers. they are based on the first integrated circuits, creating even smaller machines.

ok so if mainframes went solid state in 1960 then why would you have been working on tube style mainframes in the late 60's? unless of course you are full of shit and making this up. your timeline is completely off in every account. next time try a little more research before you make up a story.

30 years experience my ass... ROTFLOL

by your own statements you were working on an out of date antiquated decade old mainframe yet had the top of the line mini computer at home. that makes no sense at all. it seems more like a story someone would fabricate by grabbing quick bits of info out of context.

you are making a complete ass of yourself here because so far just about nothing you have said has turned out to be true. now i wont call you a liar but just about everything you said that i have personal experience of has been a lie and everything you have said that i have checked against facts turned out to be a lie. the logical conclusion to the fact that every piece of information i checked on turned out to be a lie would be to conclude you are a liar.

about grc.com, surprisingly i knew about this thing called the world wide web before i had the displeasure of coming across your posts. i had surfed it before and amazingly i found grc without your expert guidance. i also find it no surprise you havent decided who is right because you have displayed already that you can not tell the difference between rhetoric and facts. if you were to use other sources and check out the information presented you would find there is much weight and relavence to the things steve gibson says and the things Scott Culp from M$ is saying is either flat out wrong or a misrepresentation of the truth. i dont really feel like explaing to you how steve has presented a real life situation and backed up what he says with facts while Mr. Culp speaks only of a theoretical world where every person using a trojan knows how to compile code and alter their trojan to make use of additional software. basically the things steve says are in use and being done today and Mr. Culp's reply was this was possible before even though there is not a single documented case of a single person being able to accomplish what he says.

i have clearly outlined in my series of posts how you have been wrong on every point you have attempted to make. your posts are now filled with contradictions to yourself all over the place. in one post you claim that windows XP brought these revolutionary features to the table then when you are shown to be wrong you claim you never stated that XP introduced these features. you speak like a 13 year old kid that just discovered there is something more than windows ME. like most windows power users i installed windows 2000 a long time ago and never bothered with windows ME so when XP was introduced i did not react like a wide eyed kid who just got his first taste of a stable system because i was already running windows 2000 for a considerable amount of time and noticed there were no advantages to "upgrading" to XP. as a matter of fact, as outlined here, i discovered a multitude of reasons NOT to install XP.

again i really dont care who made windows XP, i would put XP in the same class as back orifice or pc anywhere based on its exploitability in real life. by the way you need not take Mr. Gibson or Mr. Culp's word for it, you have the option of gathering information from other sources and actually thinking to formulate your very own opinion rather than just mimic something you read and didnt understand.

feel free to reply however you wish because my participation in this thread is now over. i have provided ample information to dispell the lies and rhetoric you have put forward. understandably you can not see this but i have every confidence anyone with any intelligence will see this. prospective XP users can click some of my links and read some impartial information if they wish, and you can feel free to troll at will because i doubt anybody would believe you after i have shown all your lies.

[speedy]

"ROTFLMAO over what d4n13l said. You're baal gaiveh, that's for sure! What a shlimazel to come out and say "You can keep your XP Pro in the knowledge that it is the OS for the dumb masses, I will keep my Linux in the knowledge that it is the OS for the power user..."

Power user, you? Now that IS funny. Hilarious!

Please explain why it is almost every single Linux lackey that fancies himself a "power user". Now don't get me wrong, Linux is OK, but nothing special. After all it is just another operating system. Big deal. My statement that Linux has basicly a just a cult following is correct in the context I made that statement. Sure it has got a foothold in the corporate world and it isn't bad for a server, but as usual you can't see the forest for the trees.

I always look at the BIG picture. It is a fair assumption that this forum is comprised mostly of HOME users, and for that crowd Linux is about as popular as ants at a picnic. That's confirmed by the persistent lost all flavors of Linux are getting as reflected in shelf space in the retail channel which is obvious to anyone visiting any computer store or larger book store on a regular basis like I do.

Linux peaked about a year ago and is headed back down to nowhere again. Just like Apple. Of course people that use Macs think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread also. Sure, people tried Linux. THEY ALSO REJECTED Linux in mass, just like the masses have rejected Macs which was what I was saying.

Only someone going by "crazy fool" as you wisely selected, would consider those using Windows part of the dumb masses while at the same time you trumpet yourself a "power user" because you selected Linux. Nobody but your could insult so many at once with another brainless comment like that. Shlimazel you are for sure. That's OK, you do provide a comedic tone and since you mostly hang out in the Off Topic forum, I'm sure I'm not the only one you make chuckle with your outlandish remarks where you always manage to attempt to elevate yourself as the ultimate authority. A shlimazel indeed!

[speedy]

Waldo you are a total moron. There were a large number of older IBM main frames still in use into the 70's. Are you so stupid to think corporations who has already invested million in those beasts would junk them, just because newer models were out? I now fully understand why you picked dumbwaldo. Very good choice of a nick.

The one making a total ass of himself is YOU dumbwaldo. You proved several times you simply didn't read what I wrote, which explains why you're so confused with what you read about XP. You don't have a clue.

I related my experince spanning thirty plus years. You now are confirming the reason you picked dumbwaldo, since you somehow got confused into thinking I said I worked on vacuum tube main frames at the same time I had a state of the art PC at home. I said no such thing, fool!

Your true talent is deliberately spreading misinformation. You did it with XP and now you're trying the same bullshit by deliberately trying to put words into my mouth. Wise choice to cease participation in this thread. It would be the smart thing to do. My guess is you won't, afterall you're dumbwaldo and don't know where you were on the receiving end of a good ass kicking.

[d4n13l]

Speedy,
ya, OK.... Maybe I was a bit condesending in my remark about Windoze being the OS for the dumb masses... but it is the OS for the (mostly dumb) masses is it not? M$ designed it to be used by EVERYBODY after all, <sarcasm>I suppose most home users have intimate knowledge of their system and can program drivers for it?</sarcasm> Yeah - thought not. But I meant no offense to you, I didnt mean you were dumb, just most Windozers (who are probably on AOL chatting in M$ chat rooms as we speak). Sure, power users have their own uses for windoze, but lets look at facts: Most Windozers are stupid about computers! I know you are not a dumb Windozer, dont take it personally.
BTW,
Why did you automatically put yourself in the dumb group of Windozers? Dont be so hard on yourself!

When you said:
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Power user, you? Now that IS funny. Hilarious!
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Hey, I may be a joker, but dont negate what I actually do.
Why is that funny? I am a C programmer! What are you? (A professional troll?... j/k) I am a computer PROFESSIONAL! "Junior" I admit, but junior becomes senior and junior is a shite sight more than jack shit.
OK, if I used your logic I would say that you are a VERY old IBM relic, who only uses M$ Word and encodes VCD's, so what would an idiot like that know about power users anyways? You probably get scared using regedit.
*J/K*, but do you see what I mean about dumb assumptions? Be in possesion of the facts before you make lame half assed put downs.
Linux is a VERY powerful OS for a developer, I have the entire source code available (whats more is that it comes free). I fix my OS if I need, what do you do if Windoze crashes? Examine the core dump and fix the problem, patch the kernel/software? Service Pack anyone? LOL. I rebuild the OS MY way, I do a million things with Linux that I cant with Windoze. I work with my system at a low level, in far greater detail than I can in windoze. Please explain why you think that I am not a power user as I cant work out what made think otherwise. <humour>I have had my feathers well and truly ruffled</humour> LOL.
I dont only use applications like you (probably) do, I program them too. I also habitually rebuild my entire OS, surely that alone must make me a power user? Add to that all the millions of other things that I use my PC for and the stacks of manuals (interseting things like "Linux Device Drivers&quot I have lying around, then yeah; I would call myself a power user. Or does that still not fit your requirements? I think maybe you lack in some of the knowledge I have and I lack in some of the knowledge you have. Want to talk about 'pipes' (not the cylindrical metal variety)? I will tell you in intimate detail. But wait, what with your "30 plus years of experience" I bet that you have intimate knowledge of UNIX dont you! Hell, YOU tell me about the uses of pipes! With all this intimate knowledge that you have gained over the years, perhaps you may tell us all what it is you actually did? Selling IBMs? Cleaning them?
You strike me as an ex post facto expert, prolific in history lessons and wise cracks. For someone so skilled and experienced as you, I would think that you would have no hesitation in telling us what you do or used to do - Dumbwaldo at least had the decency to, I give him credit as he has nothing to hide; I have much stronger faith in what he says than I do in what you say... perhaps you are not holding a Royal Flush after all? I suspect that you wont divulge anything though, because you will be challenged on it - Feel free to test my programming knowledge, I dont bullshit and not backup my knowledge like some. I actually do what it says on the tin (hehe, and no, not my member status! lol)
Please prove me wrong that I am not posting to a former IBM salesman.
Damn, I gotta stop flaming...
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I always look at the BIG picture. It is a fair assumption that this forum is comprised mostly of HOME users, and for that crowd Linux is about as popular as ants at a picnic.
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(BTW, nice put down)
True.
I know Linux is not for most people which is why it is no surprise that most home users cant handle it.
As to your earlier comments of linux's "complicated" install process, ROTF... It just shows that you really are not qualifed to make any comments about Linux: The latest Mandrake is about as easy to install as XP is!
I am also puzzled as to why you think that because Windoze is on 99% of users computers it makes it clever to laugh at anybody else, MAC users for instance. MACs can work better in certain environments something which you negate. If MACs had a lower price and more bang per buck like PCs did, you would probably be using one yourself.
Trolling is fun though isnt it?
You talk about mass rejection of Linux, but only someone very naive would have thought it would have beaten Windoze as it currently stands anyway; no prizes for you there.
Do you think that I care that Linux is too complicated for most people? Nope - If they want to forever pay for "upgrades" of their comparatively simple OS, fine by me. If they want to be wowed by all the new gimicks that a new proprietry OS offers, fine by me. If they want to let a third party configure their OS, fine by me. If they want a (half assed)intuitive OS that is easy to use with little investment of their time but dont want/expect the greater benefits of a UNIX based OS, fine by me. And Antivirus, LOL, that is something that I dont think I will be needing too soon. Now what I have just said maybe viewed as flamebait so let me say that I also use Windoze (I wouldnt if I had to pay for it though), it has its benefits and XP/2000 are good OS's for what they are. Yes, its true: I realize that the more platforms I have the more I can do. But what do I know? I am just a "crazy fool"!
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Dont believe everything Gates tells you.
(And no, open source is not a "cancer".)
That is total horse shit! (Please dont post a lame ass M$ sponsored "Linux is dying" story, they are full of crap)
Real good market insight there, not. PC market is in decline and God knows how may other markets are in decline. You will find that things like that do fluctuate, even M$ shares do. Would you say a company was going bust if it went in decline for a while? LOL.
For one thing, Linux has won too many developer's hearts for it to go away, and oh yeah... its FREE! Linux also makes a good OS for embedded systems and gives NT a very good run for its money in the low/mid end server market. Linux makes a good choice for networks as it can shave thousands of the average office network costs: Not only can it run on lesser hardware, is it more stable, as secure and costs zilch. It also scratches up well as a workstation OS and why wouldnt it? It is UNIX based. Free at that. Free UNIX - Mmmmm, dont see that fading away into obscurity unless I couldnt see THE wider picture. Linux desktop for the masses? LMAO! Not yet at any rate, but only a fool would think that it will go away. The fact that its free (and will be forever) will mean that it will forever be a pain in the ass for M$. OEMs dont want to have to pay a license fee to M$ for every single computer they sell, nor do end users when they want to upgrade. Linux has potential to be so much more but it needs time. Linux has come leaps and bounds lately and will always evolve thanks to the open source nature of it. I dont want to speculate if/when it will unseat lousy M$, time will tell and years at that. I dont believe the current Linux hype, I just use the OS because it offers <shout>ME</shout> more than Windoze does. To me, an M$ OS is mostly gimmicks (although XP DOES has some good strong selling points to me, there is a lot of fluff involved IMHO). I am sure that Linux will outlive the current XP family of M$ OS's, how long will it be before home users "need" a brand new OS full of corporate thought up gimmicks? About as much as they "need" a 2Ghz CPU to surf the net and type words into M$ Word with I guess.
BTW, I would watch Lindows. That may prove to be a much better alternative for many users and also some corporations if it proves to be what it says it is (Which by M$'s standards of "being what it says" is VERY poor ).
I dont know why you feel the need to slate Linux anyway, I didnt slate XP now did I? I didnt post my narrow view of XP and preach Linux either. Trolling is fun though isnt it?

One last point: I have "crazy fool" underneath my name because I dont take myself too seriously. You know, as in I have a sense of humour. What would you rather I put there? A mug shot and some certificates? The internet is hardly the place to profess to be otherwise; what have I got to lose?
LOL

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[speedy]

You got it wrong as ususal D4n13l. LOL!

I don't take offense at what anyone says about me, I just consider the source and/or the probable state of inebriation the individual may be in at the time he made his post.

I do find it amusing many of those critizing Windows go out of their way to accuse everyone that uses it as being dummies, fools and simpletons. Yet they always seem to use it themselves. Don't you find that a tad sanctimonious and disingenuous?

So you're a programmer in C. Big deal, you and millions of others. I learned programming from a guy that had both a masters in computer science and a PhD in mathamatics. While C is OK, I prefer Assembly Language myself, but must admit I'm very rusty not having any time for any serious programming for years.

I think you and a few others have major problems with low self-esteem. Why else do you and they (everyone knows who) need to tack on I'm a xxx xxx xxx or in your case your endless referals that in your over imaginative mind fancy yourself the ultimate "power user" simply because you prefer LINUX and dabble in C programming. If this forum was about sex, you'd be claiming you're hung like a horse and did "it" with 10,000 persons by the time you were 16.

Fact it, you're just a forum/newsgroup braggart with lots of time on his hands, which is the likely reason you hang out in the forums. All the serious programmers I know, and I know a bunch, hardly have time to take a piss, let alone run their mouth endlessly in some forum or solicit people to send them emails for a speedier reply. LOL!

Oh wow, are you putting it on thick now. I'm sure everyone is awating the d4n13l kernel of LINUX, soon to appear in stores everywhere worldwide.

Reading the nonsense you've posted to this forum for months now, the inescapable conclusion for everyone with IQ's over 60 is that you are a world class bullshit artist.

By all means continue, you do make me laugh buddy.

Now as to LINUX. As that other "computer expert" babbled, Linux is open source and free off the Internet. It also is bundled in many different retail packages which is what I made reference to. Did I say I had trouble installing it? No, Joe Average will. That's one reason for the high return rate and also that you need a "real" modem as opposed to the typical PCI interface Windows Modem most everyone already has.

Hint: People aren't about to buy a new modem just to try out another operating system. Since most people have but one computer (only 28% U. S. users have two or more PC's in their home) that's a deal killer. You also "forgot" to mention that you can't run Windows software under LINUX and the software you can get, most of which is free, is klutzy, clumsy and mickey-mouse like with a rare exception. Example: GIMP. Of course some "power users" enjoy getting their hands dirty and delight in messing with the OS instead of having it demoted to background duties like it was intended.

Finally yes, I am a little biased towards Microsoft. Never worked for them, but years ago I did invest in their stock. Don't you wish you did? ROTFLMAO!

[Sefy]

speedy, you can't get under my skin, i'm no longer sensitive to people who can't communicate on the forum, had that once before and you know what, you may call me an idiot, but hell lot of the forum members emailed me to ask me to return and help, how many would ask you to return, cause quite frankly, you never helped anyone.

Oh, by the way, Certified Computer Technician is not a Helpdesk and although when I started I did work 2 years in a PC store, i've been working for the last 6 years as a PC Technician for a small company of 80 people, which I service all the PC's and that includes all OS's since the company are software developers and need testing on all types of systems and OS's.

And unlike you that would propably reformat, I always try to save the existing system and data before attempting anything too drastic.

As for numbers of files, I just think you don't know how to count, oh and my data files are on a diffrent drive, cause unlike you, I work with 3 OS's and not just XP as you do.

As for 98SE, compatibility as in running the programs, there has not been a single program I was not able to run that I needed to run, I don't just run Office like you do, oh sorry didn't I mention I don't support Microsoft, I don't even have Office on my system, and I don't need experts to tell me what is good for me like you obviously do, amazing you do anything by yourself, you seem to go to all kinds of experts, propably the Microsoft Tech support.

Heck, every OS is prone to crash! you think XP can't crash ? you forgetting both 2000 and XP are based on NT, it is after all the moto of 2000 and XP when they load up! "Based on NT Tecnology", pity they didn't mention NT is OS/2 Kernel, but i suppose that won't be good for business huh ?

XP may claim to run them in their own space, but i've seen it more then once hang or freezes up, especialy when using IE6.0 then it can freeze up your entire Explorer because of the amazing hack job to make it integrated since Win98. And why do you keep talking crap ? atleast say one thing that is right, no more limited resources your mouth maybe, that seems to have alot of resources for bullshit especialy, you propably run nothing, cause if you did, you'd run out of memory on XP just like on 2000, i've seen it happen WAY more then once (more like loads of dozens!).

And compatibility IS based on running a program, gee, how much of a success you think XP would had if it couldn't be compatible with running 98/NT/2000 programs ? you think it would be such a big hit ? did I mention it's not even getting the sales figure of Windows98 ? tss tss tss, pathetic, of course, you own Microsoft Stucks, and the major drop from 107 to what is it now ? 60 ? hasn't hurt your wallet at all

Microsoft Certified drivers! yeah, sure, anything you say, if you trust Microsoft Technicians that much you really an idiot nobody in their right mind would trust them, heck, Microsoft propably don't use their own OS.. oh wait they do, that's why all their high security is being hacked on a daily basis!

A Better interface ? ooooo.k, that's where you had lost any decent minor respect I had for you, which shows how much of a experienced user you are.

Oh by the way, I do agree with you on some points, all OS's have bugs in them, starting from DOS and ending with XP, but the thing is, OTHER companies give SUPPORT to their OS!, like lets talk about OS/2 which had died so many times, lets talk about Warp 3 which existed since 1984, it is STILL gets updates and support, it even now has USB and AGP support, and UDMA and Large HDD, can you say the same support exists for Win95 ? WinNT4 ? they exist from about the same time line, and who ever bought them, can't use them today! heck, you can't even install 95 on a system faster then 300mhz!, what Microsoft calls support is for you to BUY a new OS!

And I never demand perfection, I demand compatibility! what's the point of having the best OS in the world if it can't run anything ???? yay, I got XP, I can't run shit, but I got it!, I may be biased, and hell, i'm proud of it, but i'm not blind by it like you are, after all, you got stucks invested, if we don't have Windows, you would go broke!

And if you don't know about Microsoft Intentions on Windows then you are as Blind as a Bat and don't use the sonic sensor to read your directions! in other words, you follow blidnly the leader, even if at the end of it you'll get shoot in the face, don't you ever wonder why Microsoft always intergrates all their stuff ? hmmm... could it be that because no one even considered using them if they had to download ? of course your average idiot like yourself would prefer using what comes WITH the system, cause you don't know what's good for you, if Microsoft would ever wipe competition, i'm sure you will have no Ads in Windows and you won't have to pay to even log in to your IM or Passport accounts, noo... they wouldn't do that... god forbid! would they ?

You always look at the big picture, which i'll presume is your 4" Black and White TV, yes, Linux is defenetly not for the masses, but I do recall a certain day where about 25,000 people demanded their money back from Microsoft when returning Windows package which they got as pre-installed on the PC, Microsoft wasn't very thrilled at that day I would say, you propably weren't, that's alot of money not going into your pocket, of course it's only fish bait, it's not millions, and the little people who have spoken don't really count cause they don't follow the masses, they have brains to think for themselfs.

Linux peaked, but hasn't died like you claim, sure, i'm not gonna be a Linux user, i'll grant you that, i'm gonna stick to my dead OS/2 (always seems to be declared dead when M$ has a new OS coming out... weird) which keeps getting support on a daily basis, heck, I can even run Linux/98/2000/XP and Mac programs on it, and by the way, if you base OS/2 you basicly bash XP cause you said XP is build on 2000 kernel, which is build on NT which IS an OS/2 Source which Microsoft ARE still paying royalties for.

And since you like bashing others in Yiddish I believe, here is something for you: Mefager vemetomtam ze tior moshlam shelcha! ve ata betach zaken bli haf yadid echad!

And you are the only one making a total moron out of yourself cause you don't even read what you write, nobody needs to put words in your mouth, you are feeding your own crap to yourself cause for some reason no one else is buying it.

Oh and lastly, unlike you who is highly experienced and is obviously a very busy person, you seem to have more time on your hand then everyone else here, even i'm not here with so much time to bash people, yet you got plenty of time for that after all, you can't help anyone, so why not just bash them, by the way, did you know, I do think I mentioned it, but you propably ignored it, that DreamWorks (owned by Steven Spielberg) have switched ALL their Windows Workstations and Servers to Linux ? now why would they do that maybe you can enlighten me ?

[d4n13l]

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Speedy, I said MOST users of Windowze are stupid about computers. MOST! MOST! MOST! MOST USERS! This is a pathetic spin on my words - needless. You are clutching at straws. I have said in previous posts that Windows is an OK OS, I have said MOST Windows users are dumb about computers... is that wrong? Besides, I have not critised M$ OS's other than 9x. Seems you have a complex.
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So you're a programmer in C. Big deal, you and millions of others. I learned programming from a guy that had both a masters in computer science and a PhD in mathamatics. While C is OK, I prefer Assembly Language myself, but must admit I'm very rusty not having any time for any serious programming for years.
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I actually studied Maths and at college myself, along with Physics. As for asm, well, I do like asm also but sometimes it is a bit too low level for practical purposes. I dont know much asm but hey, I am still only young.
BTW arent most teachers of programming like the one you learned from? LOL
That is unless what you said wasnt 100% bull which I have this strange feeling that there was more fantasy than fact stated.
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I think you and a few others have major problems with low self-esteem. Why else do you and they (everyone knows who) need to tack on I'm a xxx xxx xxx or in your case your endless referals that in your over imaginative mind fancy yourself the ultimate "power user" simply because you prefer LINUX and dabble in C programming.
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lol
I never said that I was THE "ultimate power user", just "a power user". You twisted the words there rather poorly, I bet that you would never get a job in M$ marketing.
And Speedy, COME ON! "dabble" in C Programming? LOL! I am a programmer! It earns me my crust, more than a "dabbler"! All I damn well said was that I was a power user! Cant a guy be a power user anymore?
And why do we tack on an "and I do xxx xxx xxx"? Because unlike you, we are not full of shit. If we didnt all we would get from you is "and what do you do? Flip burgers orsomething?". All you do is come up with history lessons an ex post facto one liners. I suspect all that you do all day is to read various sites and go trolling with your new found "knowledge".
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Fact it, you're just a forum/newsgroup braggart with lots of time on his hands, which is the likely reason you hang out in the forums.
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Sounds pretty much like someone else I know.
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All the serious programmers I know, and I know a bunch, hardly have time to take a piss, let alone run their mouth endlessly in some forum or solicit people to send them emails for a speedier reply. LOL!
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I am a junior programmer, not some uber geek at his console 24/7. Hey, why not mock me for only being a "junior"? That will make you look clever!
I think you may have me confused with sefy regarding the emial for faster replies. But I forgive you, you must be very old now and I should be more tolerant of you if your mind is failing.
BTW, all those "programmers" you "know", why not pester them with your M$ BS?
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Oh wow, are you putting it on thick now. I'm sure everyone is awating the d4n13l kernel of LINUX, soon to appear in stores everywhere worldwide.
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LOL.
Good one Speedster. Proves what I say about you - TROLL!
That was a pathetic attempt at mockery, I was using that as an example of why I liked Linux, only a fool(read: William Schlake) would turn that around and use it in that context. Which leads me to my next point...
It also proves that you are a TOTAL idiot by saying that because MY kernel is only good for MY system! LOL, Mr "Programmer". You see with Linux, it is a good idea to rebuild the kernel to suit YOUR system. If you didnt know that then you know jack shit about Linux, like I have been saying.
Ever heard the saying about giving someone enough rope to hang themselves?
Quod erat demonstrandum dear speedy, QED.
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Reading the nonsense you've posted to this forum for months now, the inescapable conclusion for everyone with IQ's over 60 is that you are a world class bullshit artist.
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What am I bullshitting about? Ask me to prove something I have said and I WILL. Unlike you, Mr Troll.
To quote:
"By all means continue, you do make me laugh buddy."
Yes, lets:
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LOL indeed!
If Joe Average has trouble with installing Mandrake then he better give up there. He better also get someone else to install Windoze for him too if he cant manage Mandrake. You are looking at it from an Windoze desktop Vs Linux desktop perspective, talk to yourself if you want to talk about that. I know the difference and downfalls of each, thanks.
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You also "forgot" to mention that you can't run Windows software under LINUX and the software you can get, most of which is free, is klutzy, clumsy and mickey-mouse like with a rare exception. Example: GIMP.
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Besides Lindows, Linux can run some Windoze apps.
Most of the freeware for Windoze is shit also, whats your point? I dont get flustered over a fancy GUI and think it makes a program actually work anybetter. Example: Toolame is a console application that does what it is intended for well and does not try to impress people with a fancy GUI.
You are trying to have me argue Windoze Vs Linux: I have already said it is is not something I dont care argue over. There is nothing to argue; too many conflicting interests.
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Of course some "power users" enjoy getting their hands dirty and delight in messing with the OS instead of having it demoted to background duties like it was intended.
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What is wrong with that? From a developers perspective, that is what we do. I am not argueing Linux Vs Windoze, merely there is more to Linux than a "cult" following which will fade away.
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Finally yes, I am a little biased towards Microsoft. Never worked for them, but years ago I did invest in their stock. Don't you wish you did? ROTFLMAO!
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How do you know I havent?
Why say stupid ass things like that?
Anyways, my logic now tells me to say "prove it" and your will no doubt tell you to ignore what I said.

Conclusion:
speedy is just trolling here.
Self serving 24 carat bullshitting troll.
lol

PS
Please try to learn about Linux some more before coming out with ill informed (read:ignorant) things about it.

[Sefy]

Speedy, just out of curiasity, since someone elses profession is nothing to you, me being a Technician, and other guy being a Carpenter, and of course me being a Certified Technician is the best laugable subject, I was wondering why do you mention that you have 30 years experience ?

Ohh.. and that brings me to another thing, if you have 30 years experience, and i'll presume it wasn't from the womb, that means 30 years back, and my math is rusty so feel free to correct me anytime!, we will be back at 1970, now, back then, people only got aquianted with computers, not even PC's, that only came out more in the 80's, so you would have to be a bit around 25 to 30 to even start back then, so that would make you a 55 to 60 year old gizer.

Haven't your mama gave you any manners when you grow up ? I mean, i'm sure you got plenty of time on your hands being 60 and all, and you know of course everything, and that sinile brain of yours can even remember what you are saying, cause you do seem to not say anything actually, all you do seem to do, is just twist other peoples words, which of course i'll grant you, since you are an idiotic old sinile troll, and I say that with the best intention possible.

And lastly, what is, or was your profession ? what are you ? Bill Gates Lover Boy ?

[pinoy2201]

ohhhhhhh..Sefy got you there....good eyes Sefy and good dis nice!!!!!!!!

[speedy]

Sefy, you'd be AMAZED how many people emailed me asking for help and I helped them here in this forum, others and in several newsgroups because I have the time being semi retired. I simply have no need to solicit people to email me for "a quicker response" or pat myself on my back. By contrast this forum seems the focus of your life, which I find rather tragic. I bet you don't get out much. Shame.

So your "computer technician status" is basically being a screwdriver jockey that does some basic troubleshooting and updating for a "small" company. <muffled giggles> Not putting you down, but in the grand scheme of things I wouldn't boast about being a "computer technician" with just those kind of credentials.

You see Sefy, my guess is you are what I consider just another brash "kid" that thinks he's another world class computer expert (there are thousands of them in forums and newsgroups everywhere. My guess is maybe you are in your early or mid twenties. So right, I was working with computers where you were likely still running around in diapers. Yeah, I am an "old" probably ancient at 55 based on your viewpoint. I probably forgot more about computers and other electronic devices then you even learned about yet. And obviously I got under your skin big time for the vebose replies you just had to make. Will you be making more?

[speedy]

This thread has been very informative:

Sefy, actually just a glorfied screwdriver jockey uncertain of his place in the pecking order.

d4n13L a Jr. programmer that fancies himself a power user.

Dumbwaldo wannabe computer guru, really a carptner that posts links that are broken.

Speedy just another crusty old SOB not afraid to slap around some smart ass wannabe types when they get out of line.

ROTFLMAO!


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[vitualis]

This thread has been altogether a rather fun read.

Speedy, just out of curiousity, what exactly did you DO with your 30 years of computer experience? Everyone else has explained exactly what they do and their level of knowledge but you seem reluctant to explain exactly what your qualifications are.

As for "Speedy is just another crusty SOB not afraid to slap around some smart arse wannabe types when they get out of line", I can't argue with the first part but you've hardly done the second. The only "wannabe" here is you. As far as I can determine, you've got no credentials, you have not answered anybody's direct inquiry with facts, and resort to name calling when someone else has highlighted the weakness and failings of your arguments.

Your rather comic arrogance wouldn't matter as much if your posts in this thread were some source of computer wisdom or at least even made sense. Unfortunately, as people have done further up, your posts are full of inconsitencies, inaccuracies or are simply irrelevant.

As for the original thread topic "Should I install Windows XP", if you've got it, there's no harm in installing it as long as you keep a backup of your current system.

Regards.

[Kdiddy]

Better than Ali-Frazier..

[Sefy]

speedy, it appears you still avoiding it, and as usuall just twisting up words cause that is propably your profession, a liar, oh you didn't get under my skin, i'm just having fun now!

So how many people emailed you ? i've got about 30,000 in the last year+ i've been on the forum, i've got ovre 4000 posts on the forum for all those who asked for my help, and you got what over 200 ? and all your posts are nothing but bashing people for whatever profession they have, but yet, your 30 year in the business, but you are so proud of it, you don't even say what it is you do ? who are you ? Al Bundy ? a shoe salesman

Yeah, i'm a screwdriver with credentials, oh and of course, I don't want you to forget the Troubleshooting and Helpdesk and did I mention that your beloved Microsoft wanted to hire me, but because unlike you, I got ethetics, so I refused, cause for me, there are more important things then money, an honour is something you are propably not familiar with.

And yeah, even my calculations were correct, I am just a kid, while you are an old gizer who of course even after 30 years in the business don't even hold a single paper to his name, as i'm sure you would be waving it around like the 30 years you keep on mentioning, by the way, when have you ever seen me call myself an Expert ? I am sure of my place in the world but you are out of place, I like helping people who seem to be in a problem, you just make bashing, cause you know nothing anymore, so you are the loser here.

And yet again, you haven't answered a single question, you did not say how old you are, not what you work with, but yet, ALL other professions in the world are much below you, so you are propably Bill Gates "little" lover boy.

So yes, this has all been very informative, lets review:

Sefy - just a PC Technician
d4n13L - just a PC Programmer
Dumbwaldo - just a Carpenter
speedy - just an old idiot with no job and nothing to do

i'd say everyone here has a respected profession except you, so we know our place in the world, you should be in a coufin, cause you obviously not doing anything helpfull for anyone
Oh, please don't take it the hard way, i'm having fun here

[d4n13l]

Alere flamman.
ROTFLMAO!
This is funny.
Speedy, you are just trash talking. It seems to be what you always resort to, not facts, but insults. Come on - what did you do for that "30 years of experience"? I have got to hand it to you though, you are a first rate troll.
I hope that when I get to 55 my mind will still be with me!

And to prove further that you know JACK SHIT about Linux/GNU, check this out: (excuse the jpeg artifacts)
www.linux-mandrake.com/screenshots/vitamin2.jpg
The latest Linux Mandrake running KDE desktop. What did you call Linux/GNU software again?
Lets see...
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You also "forgot" to mention that you can't run Windows software under LINUX and the software you can get, most of which is free, is klutzy, clumsy and mickey-mouse like with a rare exception.
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Now compare the screen shot of an actual Linux desktop to what you said about it and your claims are unfounded. I wouldnt call the entire KDE desktop "a rare exception". I come to the conclusion that you really know nothing about Linux: Just like to troll for Linux/MAC (Ie. Non M$) users. That saying, about giving someone enough rope to hang themselves; it springs into my mind again.

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Dumbwaldo wannabe computer guru, really a carptner that posts links that are broken.
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Logic says otherwise:
If he was indeed a "wannabe computer guru", he would not have told us that he is in fact a carpenter. Like you, he would have led us all along a yellow brick road. He didnt, which is why I take what he says more seriously.
Well speedy, your bluff seems to have been called. If this was a game of poker, I would say that your chips would be down somewhat.

PS
Just out of interest, what is your definition of a power user?

[d4n13l]

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On 2002-01-04 22:55:33, Kdiddy wrote:
Better than Ali-Frazier..
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Thats what I was thinking.

[speedy]

Nice to see vitualis as a moderator is always fair impartial and unbiased. Ya, right. Glad you find this thread humorous. I find all the forums humorous, especially when the same tired gang obviously is made to look rather stupid. Again. This isn't the first time the same trio of fools have displayed their stupidity probably brought on by too much testosterone combined with too much alcohol or the drug du juor. What really cracks me up is my guess is that same little trio really do think they are expert. That is indeed hilarious to many I'm sure.