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It's just as frustrating to witness a final post followed by a locked thread in a futile attempt to win an argument. That drifts beyond fairness and beyond censorship right into deliberate misinformation, to the detriment of us all.Originally Posted by offline
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The original "Analog Hole" thread has vanished and when someone made a second post, it was locked.
It's become too easy to remove or lock something than keep things going correctly.
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Yes the Analog Hole post was getting FUN!! It wasn't nasty per say. It
just went off to the land of Philosophy
a bit. 
What exactly caused it to be locked?
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Finally!
Nothing was flamatory in the "Whats up" post!
The "Analog Hole" seems to be cleaned up nicely...except it's still locked!
The quarrel should have been kept to PMs.
Maybe a sense of normalcy will return.
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Is it my imagination or did not 3 threads return and then 1 disappear?Originally Posted by davideck
Man things are weird around here
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I'll vouch for that. davideck linked to three threads, but the first one was in Closed Topics by the time I followed the link. Now the link has been mysteriously removed.Originally Posted by gll99Is it my imagination or did not 3 threads return and then 1 disappear?Originally Posted by davideck
Man things are weird around hereIf in doubt, Google it.
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Video Restorer
- Jun 2003
- dFAQ.us/lordsmurf
There's no mystery. It was removed. The end. The others are put back. Why some things have been removed lately is probably more from miscommunication and being trigger-happy on the mouse, than anything else. Conspiracies are fun, but hold little truth.
The rules are fine, and we could all use a bit less sticky-beaking. Threads like this one are a road to nowhere. To be blunt about it, mods and admins can handle their own issues internally, we don't need outside assistance of any kind.
If folks want to make themselves useful, there are a ton of video threads on the site that could probably use some answers. After all, that's what makes this a great site, not gossip in the corner.Want my help? Ask here! (not via PM!)
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As in the past, anyone can pm a mod to ask for a specific thread to be unlocked or restored. I've done this myself on occasion. You can even set up a poll to gain public support for your position - this has also been done in the past. Just don't bother Baldrick unless it is ultra important, and then only leave him a message in the Feedback forum.Originally Posted by gll99 wrote:Will previously removed threads be restored to their rightful place of honor or will Baldrick's directive apply only from now on?
Thanks
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I'd call it simply annoying. As I said, Mods do try to keep threads open but editing every problematic thread is unworkable. Regardless, this site is about sharing & discussing video information, not arguing about points of view.Originally Posted by davideck
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Since this is feedback thread, I just add my comment. Sometimes is entertaining to have flame war.
I notice now mods are quick on the thread lock button. 
Suggestion : Have a Flame section... where members settle their scores. Free for all.
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I take it you've never heard of the Pubor the roots of it's beginningOriginally Posted by pchanSince this is feedback thread, I just add my comment. Sometimes is entertaining to have flame war. I notice now mods are quick on the thread lock button.
Suggestion : Have a Flame section... where members settle their scores. Free for all. sorry couldn't resist
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And would no doubt still be locked had threads like this one had not been made!There's no mystery. It was removed. The end. The others are put back. Why some things have been removed lately is probably more from miscommunication and being trigger-happy on the mouse, than anything else. Conspiracies are fun, but hold little truth.
We'll be the judge if threads like this are roads nowhere, thank you.The rules are fine, and we could all use a bit less sticky-beaking. Threads like this one are a road to nowhere. To be blunt about it, mods and admins can handle their own issues internally, we don't need outside assistance of any kind.
If the mods could handle their own issues, things would not have gotten out of hand in the first place. Mods were part of the problem, not the solution.
I have no idea what "sticky-beaking" is.
Advice you could use yourself, I'm sure you'd agree.If folks want to make themselves useful, there are a ton of video threads on the site that could probably use some answers. After all, that's what makes this a great site, not gossip in the corner.
Like this site going into the crapper?Just don't bother Baldrick unless it is ultra important
Like I said before, I'm usually very quiet on here. It was all this nonsense that brought my post count up overnight.
I hope Balrick puts all mods on a short lease from now on. We don't need to be wondering if the next time we disagree with someone, it will result in a ban or a locked post. (Like my response here.)
I doubt they'll make a member-only flame board but it'd sure be entertaining.Suggestion : Have a Flame section... where members settle their scores. Free for all.
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Video Restorer
- Jun 2003
- dFAQ.us/lordsmurf
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"Sticky-beaking" means sticking your nose where it doesn't belong.
Gossips, tattle-tales, etc.
This topic is basically over with now. Thanks for the idea, but it's pretty much impossible and won't happen. Pressing the issue by being argumentative or confrontational (and other recent related issues) is only going to earn people warnings or a banning. The site is healthy, internal matters are seemingly solved, the rules work fine, and life goes on.
There are a number of video posts that need answers where I'm sure you could give good input, and there is also a film competition where we'd love to have your entry.Want my help? Ask here! (not via PM!)
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Originally Posted by lordsmurf
lol....now I understand the "lord" part of your name
I hope genuflection is optional
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Smurf, this is a feedback thread.
Threats as thinly veiled as this shows why this discussion was started.Pressing the issue by being argumentative or confrontational (and other recent related issues) is only going to earn people warnings or a banning.
The best mods are the ones whose job of moderating is hardly noticed. It's safe to say, you leave a mark when you moderate. I offer you this feedback with sincerity: Learn to Moderate in Moderation. The board here will be all the better for it.
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Hmm.Originally Posted by Headbanger's Ball
Could be difficult to find one which qualifies, though....I mean generally.
This does not apply to this site. No, no....definetely not to this site.
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I don't think it was veiled at all. Our job is to keep people within the rules and keep general order. If this sometimes causes situations in which someone gets their feelings hurt or are unhappy with our decisions thats a sad situation but it doesn't do anything about it.Originally Posted by Headbanger's Ball
If you are directly effected take it to the mod or a mod, but their response is just that your response.
I don't want to sound so final and mean but thats the way mods work. This site has a history of its members acting like feudal village trying to storm the local barons gates, but in the end is Baldricks land and if he feels the mods are doing anything wrong then he'll let us know.
You don't want to see what this place would look like inside of 6 months if we only moderated in "moderation".
That being said we are WAY off the original subject, and its been made pretty clear that the subjects idea is not likely to happen. Thats why this thread has ran its course. BUT i'll make an exception and leave it open. Vent away.
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Serene Savage
- Mar 2004
- Controlled Chaos
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A confrontational reaction to a confrontation.Originally Posted by Lordsmurf
This is extremely true.Originally Posted by Flaystus
Here's the thing though. Sometimes people press the issue because they don't understand and want clarification, and it has nothing to do with wanting to be arguementative or confrontational. Sometimes people don't get the point on the first read and see something else completely when reading it again later. Alot of times a person's seeking to understand the facts coupled with frustration, is misperceived as confrontation. That's what I think happend that started all this in the first place.
And of course, sometimes people just like to behave like asses.
Mods, when I look at things from your point of view, I understand how difficult it is for you to tell which is the case and when, and don't blame you. But can you look at things from our point of view and understand where we're coming from at least? As long as we understand eachother, can we not discuss things politely? There should be no need for venting.
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As someone who has been here when mods moderated in moderation, I'll tell ya what I thought it looked like -
It was a place where few long-term members left out of frustration
It was a place where bannings were rare
It was a place where the constant plugging of a commercial site, most especially by a mod, was not allowed
It was a place where threads were closed or deleted for clearly breaking the rules, not for disagreeing with a mod on an issue unrelated to the rules
It was a place where mods were respected cause they earned it
It was a place where discussions were allowed to run their course, and heated discussion and disagreement was OK as long as profanity and name calling were avoided
I note the Analog Hole thread is once again locked. I note that the last post disagreed with a mod's viewpoint. I would like an explanation as to what rule was violated. I would like this explanation from someone OTHER THAN smurf.
I understand I am entitled to none of this, I understand I simply do not have the ability to not respect a mod's authority. However, to not respect a mod PERIOD is my freedom, whether I choose to exercise it here and/or am forced to excercise it elsewhere.
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I did not follow the Analog Hole thread and I did not lock it. Therefore I am unable to provide you with the specific info you seek. Sorry, but LS IS the goto person for that one. If I get the chance at work I'll give it a look tonight sometime.
What rule? Well never forget the last scentence under "Other".
The level of moderation here appears to be about the same as when I joined, its only a couple of specfic instances thats made some people hypersensitive to any doings.
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I did notice that the Adam is gone thread is now open ... Wasn't that one locked a couple of days ago?
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Yes, I opened it rkr1958. As for your question Nelson37, I also have to refer you as did Flaystus.
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Video Restorer
- Jun 2003
- dFAQ.us/lordsmurf
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The analog hole thread turned into outright arguing between members and was temporarily put into closed topics until it could be cleansed. The original intention was to removed the foul posts and leave only the on-topic discussion portion, though locked. It ended on a simple post by somebodeez and was locked. By accident, it seems to have been unlocked for a few hours, and members attempted to continue the heated debate, but that was not going to happen, and the extra 1-2 posts were removed, they never should have been added. Not to mention it had really strayed a lot from the initial post. I've now added a final comment on the thread so that sort of accident won't happen again.
The "adam gone" spectacle of a thread was also opened temporarily, but is now removed. We would never allow members to flame one another in the open, and that thread is no exception. It's inappropriate. If members feel the need to leave the site, then just go, we don't need a dramatic departure with final flaming sessions. That is not the example to follow.
This thread has also strayed terribly from it's original post, and has honestly gotten to the point to where it's become an aggravation with 2-3 members trying to push the limits of mod patience. And it needs to stop right here.
A couple of us got together some days ago, and wrote this out for those that have questions about why topics are locked or removed:
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=284099
In the future, please refer to this simple list for typical reasons why posts gets locked or removed. You can also PM the lock-issuing mod when needed.Want my help? Ask here! (not via PM!)
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I haven't really been involved in any of this and I've been a moderator for a long time so let me put in some perspective.
Firstly, we very rarely edit or censor a post. This is simply as once we have done so, nobody else (including other mods) can see what was originally in the post. Some people have suggested that we simply "edit" the "bad" posts in a thread. There is some merit to this idea, but there are also many problems. People who like to "complain" about mods will invariably then claim we are censoring their posts. In general, we don't feel that we need to edit anyone's post as idiots will prove themselves as such by what they write. A lock on the thread is more appropriate. If there are further worthwhile issues that the original participants in the thread want to discuss, they can always start a new thread and link to the original one.
If a thread is getting "out of hand" (see Lordsmurf's thread), it will in general be locked. That is, still viewable, but the thread is ended (like this one). Mods do have the power to post into locked threads as well as unlock threads and that is our perogative. If you don't like this, then please let me remind you that membership to VideoHelp.com forums is voluntary and you can choose not to participate.
On occasion, a thread will be deleted (i.e., moved to a closed forum) from general viewing. This occurs rarely but indicates that the moderator thinks that the thread will cause more harm by being in public (even if locked) than good. A nasty heated debate will sometimes fall into this category leading to a thread that is closed/deleted rather than just being locked. Take this as a warning that we do not accept some levels of behaviour on this forum. Often, this threads are "unclosed" after a few days though will often remain locked.
Those of you who feel a certain sense of entitlement about your opinions, threads and posts in this forum, it is perhaps instrumental to be reminded that this is a private forum. This is Baldrick's house and he decides what is and is not acceptable here. We moderators are simply the janitors that keep this forum tidy according to his rules. As before, if you don't like the rules, then don't come here. It's simple.
Furthermore, moderators here are far from "above the law" as anyone who remembers "King John" will agree.
Regards.Michael Tam
w: Morsels of Evidence
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I'm glad to see that this thread is back and unlocked.Originally Posted by lordsmurf
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=284085
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A final comment from me if I may, Adam's status in the Adam Gone thread shows him as a member. Baldrick made the decision that was always up to him to make. I don't want to be the one to elevate that thread to the front page so I am commenting here in an active thread. Should Adam choose to participate in future I will respect his input as much as I did before. I know he contributed more than just in legal threads but there is no denying that to us his legal insight is/was invaluable.Originally Posted by davideck
For my part any questions I raised related to banning or missing threads were clearly and politely answered by offline and for that I am grateful.
Flaystus wrote
My opinion may not matter to anyone but here it is:BUT i'll make an exception and leave it open. Vent away.
It had become obviously apparent to those mildly observant that things had changed in the last year or so. I don't think that members in good standing here should be accused of sticking their nose where it doesn't belong or compared with a few previous troublemakers when they inquire politely in a feedback thread. I do find it reasonable that once the topic has been clearly answered by more than one mod that it's time to close the subject but it can be done politely without being confrontational and telling people to basically pack their bags if they don't like it.
Perhaps part of the problem is that we hear so often from one mod or two and less from the others at certain times and in certain types of threads. This is not the mods fault they may be just more active in popular forums. Some may start to feel that their opinion or judgement does not truly reflect the wishes of the administration so they want to hear from someone else. Rightly or wrongly this can lead to mutual lack of respect and problems.
I'm not pointing names here any presumption is purely your own:
Another thing I noticed a few times is that some individuals in subject matter threads feel that they should be able to discuss as equals but that when a mod enters the thread and forcefully disagrees with another's opinion any discussion contrary to his own beyond a few more posts after that is sometimes classed as argumentative, the mod seems to claim authority and then closes the topic. I avoid those threads like the plague and I don't think I'm the only one who shy's away from certain theads like that. Some of those are simply opinions as to which vcr,capture card,tbc or video card etc... is better. We all know that in the end we all have our own experience with those and one man's garbage is another man's treasure. We are not talking about pure black and white absolutes here just individual experience with products and possibly some biased statistical or anecdodal data. This is probably where some have expressed the most frustration in the past. I'm sure a few have left and others are less active over an easily avoidable situation.
A suggestion only: Mods would do well to avoid closing threads on subjective topics where the only disagreement is with their position on the matter. I'm not talking about forum order matters or anything that would bring disrepute to the site. I think anyone reading those particular threads can decide for themselves who's opinion they wish to accept. This would go a long way to removing any questions on abuse of authority.
Cheers to all
Thank you
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Originally Posted by adamWish granted.Originally Posted by adam
Does this mean adam is coming back now ?If in doubt, Google it.
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You have the power to make that wish true? As far as I can tell Adam's still a member here.Originally Posted by jimmalenko
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I think you missed the point ....... completely.Originally Posted by rkr1958
I'll baby-step you through it:
AFAIK Lordsmurf is no longer a moderator here ....If in doubt, Google it.
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