Something in the authoring process is making files..(Update)

[StoneColdWhat]

Something in the authoring process is making files go out of sync.

OK the very first time when I started making dvds ( back in about Feb ) I had this same problem, at that time I was using ULEAD DVD Studio. Problem was that the files would be in sync on the comp but out of sync when I tried it in the dvd player, then I was able to solve this problem by switching to Tmpgenc DVD Authorand that solved the problem. Earlier this week I did a fresh install of XP on this comp, installed the same version of TDA that I had been using before, authored a disc and it was out of sync, so I unchecked the option when you load the file where it says to reencode the audio to output format and still I get the same problem ( the first dvd I reencode the audio to output format of course ) So I tried a newer version of TDA and tried both options again and still the same error. Then I thought maybe somehow there is a conflict somewhere with my OS and TDA so I switched over to ULEAD DVD and its still out of sync. I've wasted a bunch of dvds already. Please Ideas people.

[jtoolman2000]

What are you making a DVD out of?

[StoneColdWhat]

Encoded mpgs ?

[wwjd]

How did you encode your mpgs?

Does the sync get worse the longer the DVD is played or is it a constant off set?

Do you have another DVD player you can try the disc in?

When you play the DVD in your computer is the sync still off?

Did you use TDA to do the actual burn? If not what did you use?

[StoneColdWhat]

I encoded my mpg with tmpgenc, original source was rmvb, I know alot of you are going to say rmvb sucks but I've never had any problems with it, the original source is in sync and so is the encoded file. The file will start off insync then go out of sync and itw on't come back, I know for a fact that its the problem with the file because like I said before I had this problem with Ulead and fixed it with TDA. I have other dvd players that I can try but I'm 99% sure it won't make a difference. The dvd should be insync on the comp I havn't checked but yeah when I first started and encountered the same problem and tried it on the comp it was insync so I'm going to assume that its in sync. I tried the TDA burn as well as nero.

[wwjd]

Based on the information you have given I am stumped!

Have you tried running your mpgs through something like Videoredo before putting them in TDA? VRD has an option called Quick Fix that might spot something. You may even try just running through VRD and see what happens. I think they offer a full featured trial version.

[wwjd]

By the way, what is rmvb?

[StoneColdWhat]

Never have ran the mpgs thru VRD b4, I tried 15 different files and I think the chances of 15 files going messed up as the same time is pretty slim. Rmvb is an extension of the .rm

[wwjd]

Real media! Never messed with it.

If TMPGenc made the mpeg files, they should be good.

It is possible all 15 files are messed up.

I have been using TDA for about two years and I have never had even a hint of it changing or having any effect on audio sync. I use the AC3 plug-in as well.

As I said, I think VRD has a fully functional trial. One of its strong points is finding and fixing mpeg errors and audio sync. If you run out of options you might give it a go.

[StoneColdWhat]

Hmmm well what are the chances of tmpgenc having a codec that was used to encode and TDA doesn't ? Also speaking of AC3, in TDA under Environmental setting do you have reencode LPCM or mpg2 to dolby digital as default checked ?

[wwjd]

In the 'Environmental Settings' I have checked both LPCM and MP2 to re-encode to Dolby Digital.

Does the mpeg encoded file from tmpgenc have audio or do you mux the audio and video with TDA?

[StoneColdWhat]

The file in tmpgenc does have audio, didn't mux it in TDA. So your Environmental Settings have both of those Dolby Digital otpions check hey ? I can't remember if I did or not before I formatted so that might be where the problem is ? Hmmm also when you load the files in TDA and the edit option comes out do u have the reencode audio to uhh file output format checked ? I remember for all of my old encodes I did.

[lordsmurf]

Stop letting TDA encode the audio. That is definitely the problem.

It chokes on imperfect audio.

TMPGENC doesn't encode audio very well, so the files were likely bad from that far back.

And RMVB does suck. You may need a different conversion tool for working with the audio extraction and conversion.

[StoneColdWhat]

Well Lord to be honest I've been using that method for months and its been flawless until the reformat, I extract the audio out of the original file first before encoding with tmgenc. As far as TDA reencode, remember that problem I was having with the ATI MMC captured file ? I tried what you said and not let TDA reencode and the file would still go out of sync.

[lordsmurf]

Have your tried something that is NOT TDA?
Surely a trial of something like DVDWS2 (MP2 audio).

Maybe DVD-Lab or something.

Using updates for TDA ?

Editing in TDA? That can cause sync issues!

[abc-123]

Answer this: Does the audio go further and further out of sync or does it stay at a constant time delay the longer the file plays?

You can use ffmpeggui to encode the audio instead of tmpgenc since you extract it out of rm's anyway.

Have you tried burning another file with TDA since your format? Do the others stay in sync? (Preferably one you've burned successfully before.)

Are you sure you've re-installed all your proper audio codecs?

[StoneColdWhat]

Lord: I'll give dvd-lab a try. and No editing done in TDA

abc; I think it stays at at constatnt time delay. With the audio extracted from the rm I DON'T reencode it, i just leave it in its extracted wav form and encode it with the vdeo. I've tried 2 different volume dvds and they're both out of sync, well the other one was captured files with ATI MMC which I'm not an expert on yet so there might be some conflict there I don't know. See the thing is I'm not exactly sure which audio codec I need but I'm pretty sure I have the proper ones seeing as the videos are in sync on the comp.

[abc-123]

I'm not familiar with TDA because I use DVDlab so I can't help you there. I'm guessing TDA is missing an audio codec. Just because you can play something doesn't necessarily mean you can convert to it as well. (Ex. quicktime, realmedia with tmpgenc.)

Some hard workarounds you can try:
1. Demux the audio from your encoded video, use ffmpeggui to encode audio to mp2 or ac3 and drop those two files (m2v and mp2) into TDA.

2. Re-encode your audio/video mpeg but tick the "closed GOP" setting in tmpgenc.

3. Reinstall all your major codecs. I'd re-download them if I were you, just in case your backups are corrupted. (Shit happens sometimes.)

Also, quit wasting dvd's. Get yourself Cyberlink PowerDVD and test the compilation from your comp first.

[abc-123]

On a side note, try using tmpgenc to demux your mpg and then remux the exact same audio and video files it's created. If the problem truly lies with the sound, tmpgenc should give you packet errors. If not, then I'd say it lies with the authoring process.

Maybe whatever you use to rip the audio from the rm is missing something since the format?

[StoneColdWhat]

Well in reguard to your first post, powerdvd won't matter because it will play insync, I've tried that b4 i started burning dvds. The thing about the codecs is that I don't exactly know which ones I had before the format, they just sort of worked for me before. I'm using EO video to extract the audio and I used the same settings as before, there are no plugins for it so I'm pretty sure nothing is missing. Any idea what codecs I should have needed if this is the case ? I have AC3ACM as well as the sticky 2 mpg codec. SHould I try a codec pack ?

[abc-123]

No, don't try a codec pack, you'll probably end up with more problems that way. (And especially not after a fresh reformat.)

There's no way to know what your configuration settings for TDA were before, and I can't help you on what they should be now. Perhaps someone with more experience in TDA can answer that for you?

If I were you, I'd try converting the audio myself with another prog and not let TDA touch it. Just drop it in and straight to author. If that doesn't work, I'd switch authoring apps altogether.

Good Luck.

[StoneColdWhat]

Well what codecs do you guys have ? Also is there an EASY DVD-LAB Guide around ?

[Shadowmistress]

Also is there an EASY DVD-LAB Guide around ?

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=220092


I've lost track of my codecs by now. Sorry.

[StoneColdWhat]

K thx for that guide, could you please try to remmeber the codecs that you installed, I'm soooo frustrated with the dvds going out of sync.

[StoneColdWhat]

Ok so I have a little update, I decided to take a look at the files that I made a while back by ripping them back to mpg from there mpg, opened them up to see what the difference was.

This picture here is a file I made last night



This one here is the older one



Now as far as I can tell, the only difference other then different version of tmpgnec is that in the OLDER file I used AC3 to encode ( and it says I have the codec installed ) and the NEWER file used MPEG1-Layer 2 for audio, I think this might be where the problem is ? How do I choose AC3 for the audio codec ? I do the same thing for the older file as I do in the newer file in TMPGENC I just load and encode and don't mess with the setting. Now is there a chance that the older file has the AC3 setting because when I encoded it to dvd with TDA and burnt it it has ac3, so when I re-rip it back to the HD it has ac3 showing, while the other file is just a plain encode and not yet authored ?

[jimmalenko]

If you're encoding with TMPGEnc, I'd suggest configuring SSRC and toolame as your external audio encoders. Either that or encode video only, then do your audio in ffmpeggui, belight, or besweet.

FWIW, is the MPEG prior to authoring in sync ?

It sounds like you've had the AC3 plugin for TMPGEnc products previously, and you were letting it convert the audio to AC3 for you. Why don't you reinstall it ?