LISTEN TO ME!!! F*** TMPEGENC, PANASONIC IS FAR BETTER!!!!

[baker]

Trust me for making a vcd u can't beat panasonic. Don't believe those rumors that panasonic is blurier than tmpegenc!!! On a tv panasonic enc looks BETTER, sharper and more colourful. I have a guide showing the best way to do a dvd 2 vcd using dvdx (pal only do) but for the moment the pictures are missing.... You can read it here:

http://www.vcdhelp.com/The%20fastest%20and%20easiest%20way%20to%20create%20a%20pal%20V...web%20page.htm

The reason y panasonic looks sharper on a tv screen than tmpegenc is yet unknown. It is strange because it is the exact oppoisite on a moniter.

A panasonic loving (and probably going to get shouted at),
Baker

[baker]

The pictures are now up on my guide.

Baker

[d4n13l]

I will give your guide a go, but I couldnt ever get Panasonic to look better than TMPGEnc. It is really a matter of personal opinion, I dont think that one is better than the other in terms of quality, just different.

BTW, do you work for Panasonic?


PS
Who in the hell did your captures? They SUCK!
I could make them a lot better if you want.

[d4n13l]

....boy, do they SUCK!
The page takes like 2.5 minutes to load; it shoud take around 10-15 seconds.
Give me a break... I am only on 56k.

[bilbogod]

Yeah, I thought that page wasn't working for a mo... and just what the hell is everyone doing up so late?? It's not 19.30 usual time??

[Anonymous65]

You know the saying the judgement of compressed video quality is "highly subjective"! One person thinks it looks great, and the next thinks it sucks... I think the color green is nicer than blue, and others think blue is much nicer than green. It's all a matter of taste...

[JJamez]

What is up w/ those screenshots?!?! Files are too large, not to mention ugly... No offense.

JJ

[d4n13l]

Those images should run in at about 10-20k each if you save them as properely optimised PNGs.

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Yeah, I thought that page wasn't working for a mo... and just what the hell is everyone doing up so late?? It's not 19.30 usual time??
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Good point, I better go and play GTA3 on my new PS2 for a few hours before sunrise. Then play some more. Then some more.

[mschark]

Geez...the dude tries to give a tip and you guys bash him for his web page images. They loaded quickly on my PC.....maybe you all might consider spending the bucks on some broadband......it is the year 2001 after all.

I read this forum to learn the art of VCD creation......I hate weeding thru all the whining to get to the actual content. If you don't have something nice to say...don't say it.

[bilbogod]

No ones being nasty... In the U.K very few of us are lucky enough to have broadband... If you remember from Bakers previous post ( a poll of TMPGenc versus Panasonic) TMPGenc won hands down in votes....

[Truman]

Well, it is still a matter of taste. Thank you baker for the guide. Although there is nothing special, it might help.
I am pretty sure, it is possible to get even better results, if you use dvd2avi and VirtualDub/Avisynth to frameserve.
And of course, d4n13l is right, please optimize the images.

[KingJohn]

Hi

UK Broadband user here , page loaded in about 2 ms...
I think those images were produced like that so they would load faster, I guess the person who has uploaded them had 56K users in mind.

[pinoy2201]

dude optimize your pics i have 56k and you know it man it takes me 5 mins to load 2 pics....

[Greg12]

I'm sure we'd all love brodband but here it don't exist.

This whole neighborhood i live in is 6 miles from a phone pop and cable net is still not here.

[poopyhead]

1) either get broadband or at least no AOL

2) the pics looks like a screenshot taken of a poorly done dvd rip during high action scenes....err...or maybe VCD in general ;p

[baker]

A bit of news here:

1. after more tests pwi can look blurier than tmpegenc BUT only in high action scenes where tmpegend would show blocks.

2. I Fucked up the pictures sorry about that.

Baker,

[baker]

A bit of news here:

1. after more tests pwi can look blurier than tmpegenc BUT only in high action scenes where tmpegend would show blocks.

2. I Fucked up the pictures sorry about that.

Baker,

[marvel2020]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't the Panasonic Encoder Shareware where the TMPEGnc is freeware, meaning that the Panasonic will have some of it's options disabled and you will probaly only be able to use it for about 30 secs or something.


Also UK Broadband user here as well and the pics loaded in about 2millisecs, so no problem there.

[baker]

I am making new pics for the guide and hope that baldrick well recieve and upload them soon.

Quote:
"I am pretty sure, it is possible to get even better results, if you use dvd2avi and VirtualDub/Avisynth to frameserve."

yes while you could do that it would get rid of the whole idea of my guide. My idea was to create a guide using as few tools as possible with brilliant quailty picture and sound and make it very fast also. Doing your method is easy for someone like me or you to do but for someone with very little knowledge or time on there hands my guide suits best.

I am not tryting to brag but think that my guide is the fastest,easist and highest quailty way to make a vcd. If any of you can prove me wrong please post your guide and tools here.

Baker

[baker]

sorry I forgot to mention something on my last post,:
When doing tests to see which encoder is better, please watch them on your tele as your moniter can have you dissolusioned .

Baker,

[sommersby]

Hate to disagree but I still give tmpenc the edge in quality and versatility, I always have sound problems when encoding divx with panasonic. And on the newer cpu's that support sse tmpenc is faster by far.

[BxB]

Does the Panasonic plug-in support XVCD (higher bitrates)? Is there any site where you can get it cheaper than the $79 at the Panasonic site?

Thanks,
BB
bdbauer@yahoo.com

[homerpez]

CCE is better than either one.

Now when you play on a TV, things do sometimes change in perception.

In fact, I can use AVG bitrates as low as 950k/sec (700 MIN, 2520 MAX)... on an SVCD... 480x480... and the results when played back on a monitor suck to high heaven.

BUT... play the same video back on a TV... and it looks almost as good as a DVD!

In the end, it really is up to the beholder. I know when I still made VCD's, the Panasonic's output frightened me off (way too blurry for my taste).

[Dhruv]

Which one is faster:
1- Using the Panasonic plug-in with DVDx 1.6 or
2- Frameserving to TMPGEnc with DVDx?
Thanx,

[P@iNKilleR]

On the subject of panasonic & dvdx, They are both very good at doing their thing. I love panasonic as I use it in flask!! excellent picture & no nasty blocks that is if U Use version 045. Mind panasonic is totally crap at doing NTSC but mint for pal stuff. Onto my next one DVD on the otherhand is very good considering it has its own encoder and it can do NTSC & pal brilliantly without many problems & the picture is very good. I still sort of like Tmpeg but only for NTSC stuff. Tmpeg has a nasty problem of skipping frames on my machine I.E. speeding up then slowing down again keeping the audio in sync with te video afterwards. To be honest I like dvdx & flask better!! (increase & decrease volume + better picture & no errors )

The End!!!

Kev!
Mr Nightshift Nurse

[vitualis]

TMPGEnc and Panasonic are both excellent MPEG-1 encoders at VCD specs. Which one is better depends on your eyes as quality is subjective.

IMHO, I thinking that Panasonic looks better on average as well.

Regards.

[pinoy2201]

i love TMPGEnc but i also use PWI plug-in...i both i think why people like TMPGenc is beacuase it is free and gives an outstanding qualty for a free encoder with PWI it is a bit expencive and also gives outsatnding qaulity but it doesnt have all the option that the free TMPGEnc gives like the advance menu with 3:2 pulldown and audio effect options soo rite now TMPGEnc is the king o all encoders but that my opinion

[d4n13l]

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On 2001-12-19 18:12:45, mschark wrote:
Geez...the dude tries to give a tip and you guys bash him for his web page images. They loaded quickly on my PC.....maybe you all might consider spending the bucks on some broadband......it is the year 2001 after all.

I read this forum to learn the art of VCD creation......I hate weeding thru all the whining to get to the actual content. If you don't have something nice to say...don't say it.
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Broadband is not available where I live. Besides, it takes up more bandwidth on the server, making the site run slower for everyone. I dont think that you have been on the internet for long have you?

Baker, give me the original screen captures and I will optimise them if you want. I did all of Sefys images his guide uses and I have also done a lot for this site. Send me a private message if you still have them: It would be best to send them to me as zipped BMP's if you want.

[Dhruv]

Ok, one more question! Which is better quality:
Using the Panasonic plug-in in DVDx or using DVDx on its own?
Thanx,

[pinoy2201]

useing DVDx w/ PWI plug-in when only encodeing to pal PWI doesnt encode NTSC on DVDx just 2 frames