TYG01 vs TYG02?

[SCDVD]

I wonder why Taiyo Yuden doesn't do more to deal with the fake media problem. It is a huge problem and there is no doubt that it is costing them a lot of business. It seems to me that after a few Customs seizures and prosecutions, this would improve. Am I missing something?

[Gen-An]

Customs seizures? What, tie up every optical media shipment coming out of SE Asia and check the media codes? I think customs has more pressing matters, such as preventing drug and weapons smuggling. Besides, it hasn't been shown that borrowing media codes is illegal.

[Gen-An]

Have you tried blankmedia.ca? They're really reliable from what I hear. You can buy unbranded genuine Taiyo Yuden media and not have to worry about searching through retail media packages trying to find the coveted "Made in Japan" label.

I like the option of raising holy hell in person.


If you end up with fakes you can face the retailer head on. Prove that the media is illegitimate to him directly, just in case he's unaware of all the fakes. Show him the scans,etc. He'll be more responsive to giving you a refund. Online they can tell you to whatever, and you're stuck with a bunch of coasters. Besides I save on shipping. Other brands I'd order online, but not Taiyo Yuden, the uncertainty is too great.

Tons of people have ordered TY online, and continue to do so, and get the real deal. I haven't heard of any dealer selling media ADVERTISED as Taiyo Yuden media (meaning they display Taiyo Yuden's logo and mention Made in Japan, not just mentioning a TY media code) distributing something else. You have to check on the reputation of the dealer. Blankmedia.ca has a great reputation, as does Rima.com, a favorite here in the US. I know if I order anything off this page from Rima, I will get Taiyo Yuden media. I ordered a spindle of TY 8x +R from there earlier this year and got just what I ordered. Retail is convenient, but if the trend of Japan media being dropped in favor of Taiwan media continues on the retail side, what choice will we have if we want TY?

[lordsmurf]

Besides, it hasn't been shown that borrowing media codes is illegal.

Actually, it has. But laws are only as good as the enforcement.

I was reading something a week or so ago from Taiyo Yuden, on this topic. This is also how Maxell and TDK stopped their codes from being forged some years back, through legal action. I remember reading something from TDK at the time. Now that Verbatim is being copied in Europe, all the way down to the packaging, it's probably only a matter of time before something happens to stop the high number of fakes we're seeing right now. TDK, MCC and TY media now has fake codes running around. And almost all of it is from 2-3 crappy media producers.

[ROBERT BLACK]

="Gen-An]Tons of people have ordered TY online, and continue to do so, and get the real deal. I haven't heard of any dealer selling media ADVERTISED as Taiyo Yuden media (meaning they display Taiyo Yuden's logo and mention Made in Japan, not just mentioning a TY media code) distributing something else. You have to check on the reputation of the dealer. Blankmedia.ca has a great reputation, as does Rima.com, a favorite here in the US. I know if I order anything off this page from Rima, I will get Taiyo Yuden media. I ordered a spindle of TY 8x +R from there earlier this year and got just what I ordered. Retail is convenient, but if the trend of Japan media being dropped in favor of Taiwan media continues on the retail side, what choice will we have if we want TY?

I have the choice of ordering it from two local B&M dealers. I'll do so for as long as I can, until that option is gone. It's the retail chains in NA that are changing over to Taiwanese media exclusively. Not all independent computer stores. (Which they're are still many in Canada.)They also sell out quickly, so I can be assured they will continue to carry it, for as long as customers ask for it. It's certainly NOT advertised by both stores. They prefer to hock cheaper media. But customers continually ask for Yuden. It's VERY popular. I'm sure those online sellers you list strive to be reputable. But we know that even reputable dealers end up selling disreputable product without knowing it. Only when they hear complaints about the product do they know the Tys they are selling are fakes.

Incidentally. I've completed my Nero scans on the three TYs I burned. No PI errors at all. No problems playing or accessing the media. They are legitimate.

[Gen-An]

If I am not mistaken, Rima.com gets its TY media directly from Taiyo Yuden's US branch. I don't buy the concept of sellers getting duped anyway; the "fake" TY media doesn't come from Japan. Supermediastore does a good job showing how to tell genuine TY: http://www.supermediastore.com/taiyo-yuden-how-to-tell-fake-or-real.html

With all those very identifiable features, no dealer that knows anything about the product it sells is going to end up passing off media from Hong Kong with a TY media code as genuine Taiyo Yuden media. And I'm not convinced that the reason these cheap makers are using the TY codes is to trick people into thinking they are made by TY; I think it's just a matter of trying to improve their discs' compatibility with DVD recorders/burners, not that I'm condoning the practice. There was of course that case in Europe with the fake Verbatim, which was an obvious case of fraud, but that's pretty rare.

[SCDVD]

That's a good point about the media codes. I don't know if the media code was copyrighted or trademarked. I don't know if it can't be or they just didn't do so. Or, perhaps they did and they just haven't aggressively tried to protect it - Big question?

I will not comment pro or con on any dealer specifically but I don't believe most people realize the scope of the sleaze factor on this issue. In some parts of the world to say “It’s business” covers virtually any vice the person wants to rationalize to themselves. There are some dealers that have two faces on this issue because “It’s business”. They sell both the real and the fake. They use the real as the cover for the fake. It's a little like the corrupt cop who seems to uphold the law but deals drugs on the side. The difference is the corrupt cop knows he is doing wrong but doesn’t care because he wants the money. These two-faced dealers absolve themselves with the all-covering rationalization – “It’s business”. It sounds something like this; “Everybody else do it so I have to do it – It business.”

[TomJones]

The problem with the 100 TYG02 I received from Supermedia appears to be caused by my Memorex True 8X burner rather than the media. Someone on the forum identified this burner as a Pioneer 107D, but I'm not sure.

Burns on my Pioneer 420 DVDR are always excellent with the TYG02.
Burns with the Memorex burner are all over the map from excellent to horrible. My speculation is that minor variations in quality from disc to disc which would have no effect on a good burner have a big effect on the Memorex.

The Memorex still has excellent results on all TYG01 burns. I think there are other reports of people having good luck with 4X media, but not so good when they started using 8X.

Anyway I can use the TYG02 with the DVDR, and I'll probably get some more TYG01 for the pc burner.

[FulciLives]

The Memorex still has excellent results on all TYG01 burns. I think there are other reports of people having good luck with 4X media, but not so good when they started using 8X.

Anyway I can use the TYG02 with the DVDR, and I'll probably get some more TYG01 for the pc burner.

Have you tried burning the TYG02 8x media at 4x with the Memorex instead of burning at 8x? Possible that might make a difference.

My computer seems to have "issues" when burning 8x media at 8x so I just burn at 4x and I have no "issues". The specific issue I have is that the computer can't seem to "keep up" and the cache while burning goes "crazy" ... up and down and all over the place ... at 4x burning it stays constant at 100% (sometimes dips down to 95% but never lower than that).

So try burning at 4x and see how that goes.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[TomJones]

Thanks for the thought, but I had noticed some forum members having luck burning 8X media at 4X, so I tried it on several burns with no improvement.

At some point 4X media will be history, but maybe by that time I'll get a DL burner or who knows what.