TYG01 vs TYG02?

[TomJones]

Has anybody done any scans to see if the 8X TY are more error free than the 4X TY "value" discs? I'm willing to pay more if they are actually a better product.

Went through 100 4X from Supermediastore and although they were the best media I've used, I'm curious if the 8X is even better.

[Gen-An]

It all depends on your burner really.

[TomJones]

Using Pioneer 107D which is 8X, but I'm concerned about burn quality, not speed.

[Gen-An]

TYG02 at 8x is perfect on the 107! Go for the 8x discs. Historically, Pioneer drives + Japanese developed DVD-R media burned at its rated speed gives excellent results.

[TomJones]

Ready to place an order. Do you think $39 for 100 TYG02 at Supermediastore is a decent price?

[SCDVD]

Yes - BUT (and I'm not talking about any particular store), be careful if the deal is too sweet. There is a lot of fake Taiyo Yuden on the market. Buy from a place you can trust. There is a lot of information in the forum about the various media sellers that might be worth looking at.

[chas0039]

Supermediastore store has, so far, not sold conterfeit TY, however make sure that the site says genuine Taiyo Yuden not just the media code. Meritline sells "High Quality" media with the TYG02 code and they make it very hard for you note you are not getting made in Japan Taiyo Yuden.

[FulciLives]

The "only" safe place to buy Taiyo Yuden on-line is at RIMA.COM

Too many other places selling fakes to trust anyone else.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Gen-An]

I disagree. There are plenty of places online one can buy TY media safely. Supermediastore for one, but also www.tapeandmedia.com, CDDimensions, Media Supply; plenty of places. There really aren't many places try to pass off non TY media as genuine Taiyo Yuden; in fact I have yet to see this on any US online retailer. Even with the Meritline "High Quality", if you compare that listing to the TY media they sell, you will see that nowhere on that page does it say it is manufactured by Taiyo Yuden. For a while it was listed on the same page with TY media but that has been corrected.

[lordsmurf]

in fact I have yet to see this on any US online retailer. Even with the Meritline "High Quality", if you compare that listing to the TY media they sell, you will see that nowhere on that page does it say it is manufactured by Taiyo Yuden. For a while it was listed on the same page with TY media but that has been corrected.

Open your eyes, man!

Read this:

HQ™ TYG02 8X DVD-R Silver Shiny Blank Media in Cake Box (GDR-47GK-5008), 25, 50, 100, 200, 500 Pack

Talking about some ******* devious bitches.

http://www.meritline.com/high-quality-8x-dvd-r-blank-media-shiny-tyg021.html

Anybody that thinks they can sucker a stupid consumer is going to do it. It takes sites dedicated to ousting their bad practices (like forums) to make sure they cower away with their shitty fake discs. Start carrying more good, and less bad. I would agree that there are few stores where you can get legit TY and not be afraid (rima.com, supermediastore.com).

And then name brands like Maxell, Sony, and Fuji. MIJ TY.

[Gen-An]

I see a noticeable difference between this:
http://www.meritline.com/taiyo-yuden-8x-dvd-r-silver-thermal.html
and this:
http://www.meritline.com/high-quality-8x-dvd-r-blank-media-shiny-tyg021.html

The first clearly is TY media, and says so quite plainly. The HQ media listing makes no mention of Taiyo Yuden at all, just the media code. Someone who knows what he's looking for won't mistake "HQ" for TY. The HQ media doesn't even have a TY manufacturer part number!

[ricoman]

Supermediastore is OK, but Rima has the best reputation. I've dealt with both. You can get the 100 pk for the same price at Rima, I'd go with them.

Gen-an: I think you're right, the HQ's shown aren't in the TY cakebox, I think they're bogus. All the TY cakeboxes are black bottoms and the tops have a rounded edge.

[TomJones]

Was going to use Rima, but Supermediastore has 3 dollar off coupon thru 29th, so I ordered 100 TYG02 for 35.99 plus shipping.

Will report back if scans show anything interesting.

[TomJones]

The TYG02 I received from Supermedia are really bad. Using Nero Disc Quality Test, typical PI Failures max with TYG01 was 1 to 5. With the TYG02 that figure is typically about 40.

I've seen problems at 20 - 25 PI Failures max, so of the 20 or so burns so far, I've pitched about two thirds. Some of the worst media I've tested.
Too much wasted time trying to get a decent burn. Seems like a lot of 8X media is not as good as 4X. May get some more TYG01

[lordsmurf]

TomJones, those tests are inconclusive.

How does the disc play in a player?

Bad "scans" are often just as much the reader as it is the disc.

How do surface scans and data comparison tests fair?

[TomJones]

I've seen breakup on a couple of the burns. Maybe I should retrieve some from my garbage to watch.

But I found the typical total PI Failures on TYG01 to be 100 to 1000.
On TYG02 that figure is 10,000 to 100,000. One hundred times as many failures! I'm using the same burner to burn and read both the TYG01 and TYG02. Also tried burning at the TYG02 at 4X, but no improvement.

I wonder about the longitivity of this stuff when I see 40,000,000 PI errors on a disc. Hard for me to settle for such poor results when I've seen so much better.

[zod5000]

i was in washington state the other day and they had fuji dvd-r, 8x 50 packs on for 19.99 at best buy. I picked up 3 of em and the media code was tyg02.

if you have a best buy in your area try that. I did make sure they said made in japan before i bought them. I bought them because all the media at the stores in canada is turning into taiwan stuff, so i smuggled a few spindles over the border. heh

[mikesbytes]

Yes - There is a lot of fake Taiyo Yuden on the market.

So how do you tell its fake? This is a good price for Australia, should I consider buying them?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/iDisc-8x-DVD-R-PRINTABLE-Media-100-Discs-GUARANTEED_W0QQitemZ52...QQcmdZViewItem

[Gen-An]

I would definitely avoid those. TY is either going to be unbranded sold in bulk online, or is going to be sold as Verbatim, TDK, JVC, Panasonic or Fujifilm (with "Made in Japan" on the label) in retail stores. See this thread for more info on buying media in AU.

[lordsmurf]

Yes - There is a lot of fake Taiyo Yuden on the market.

So how do you tell its fake? This is a good price for Australia, should I consider buying them?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/iDisc-8x-DVD-R-PRINTABLE-Media-100-Discs-GUARANTEED_W0QQitemZ52...QQcmdZViewItem

This is fake crap.

[888888]

I buy TY exclusively from RIMA and I also think this is the best place for TY or any media for that matter. However, don't expect perfection, even from real TY. I have occasionally gotten errors and pixelization even from genuine TY DVD-Rs. This does not mean they are fake.

[Fandim]

[mikesbytes]

Genuine or Fake TY. Difficult to tell, even the seller may not know.

What about these ones?


http://www.jpldisplays.com.au/oscom...products_id=217

[deck]

Genuine or Fake TY. Difficult to tell, even the seller may not know.

What about these ones?


http://www.jpldisplays.com.au/oscom...products_id=217

Those are the real deal.

[ROBERT BLACK]

I recently bought a 50 pack of TYG01 for $25.00 Can. Good price. Silver topped with Ty logo on the shrinkwrap. Which could have been printed and stuck there by anyone. I had the dealer show me the box they came out of. Box said Made in Japan. It's pathetic that we have to go to these lengths to assure ourselves of the legitimacy of the product. Two burns so far. No problems on my main DVD player. Haven't scanned them yet.

[slacker]

It's ALL eventually going to Taiwan anyway!

[Gen-An]

I think Taiyo Yuden's sales would take a big hit if they outsourced production to Taiwan. Heck, a major part of their marketing in Japan focuses on the fact that their discs are manufactured in the home country (all retail That's packages have a huge banner on the front mentioning being made in Japan). TY isn't the only one to do this as some TDK retail packages in Japan have the "made in Japan" label on the front as well as the back.

[ROBERT BLACK]

I think the problem here is that Made In Japan media is becoming much harder to find lately. They're are so many vendors online that sell fake Tys that I don't even bother. With a brick and mortar retailer, I can return the fakes and raise holy hell, and threaten to call the Better Business Bureau. But even then, of all the B&M media retailers in my city only TWO carry Tyo Yuden.

[Gen-An]

Have you tried blankmedia.ca? They're really reliable from what I hear. You can buy unbranded genuine Taiyo Yuden media and not have to worry about searching through retail media packages trying to find the coveted "Made in Japan" label.

[ROBERT BLACK]

Have you tried blankmedia.ca? They're really reliable from what I hear. You can buy unbranded genuine Taiyo Yuden media and not have to worry about searching through retail media packages trying to find the coveted "Made in Japan" label.

I like the option of raising holy hell in person.


If you end up with fakes you can face the retailer head on. Prove that the media is illegitimate to him directly, just in case he's unaware of all the fakes. Show him the scans,etc. He'll be more responsive to giving you a refund. Online they can tell you to whatever, and you're stuck with a bunch of coasters. Besides I save on shipping. Other brands I'd order online, but not Taiyo Yuden, the uncertainty is too great.