converting Pal 60 to Pal 50.

[Mastadex]

I bought a camera that outputs in PAL so i could use it in europe. it turned out that the camera out put in PAL 60, which is not supported by any of the hardware available. Is there a device that I can buy that will convert the PAL 60 signal into PAL 50?

or do I have to buy a new camera?

[java-fan.trojanhorse]

Hi,

Are you talking about PAL 60 field/s? if yes, this is very unusual because PAL has a standard of 50 field/s which is PAL 50 if I'm not wrong.
It's probably NTSC 60, you've mistakenly connect to PAL monitor. Some cameras are designed for specific purposes like SPORTS EVENT or CAR CRASH TEST, etc... which have high framerate. These cameras obviosly don't work with any standard TV or any devices.


Just double check the problem sometimes this can solve the problem.

Regards,
Java-Fan

[Mastadex]

I have read the manual and it told me that if you wanted to view on a TV that uses PAL, such as the ones in europe, set a setting on the camera to PAL 60. This sends the 60Hz field signal to the TV. the TV picks it up alright (since its a european TV) but the VHS machine is having problems due to it not being able to read the PAL 60 signal. it is only designed for PAL 50 (true PAL ?).

the camera is an american camera so it exports NTSC by default but there is an option of PAL 60.

NTSC to PAL 50 is also a route i could take.

[java-fan.trojanhorse]

Hi Mas,

It's been a problem with NTSC of having low quality picture from the beginning of the Television. When PAL was developed in Germany, it was a great improvement from NTSC. Having 625 lines, surely gives you an impressive result but it only runs at 50HZ which also gives you a flickering effect - not really noticeable. Many people that use NTSC system are just satisfied with low quality picture(525 lines) as long as it has a fluid motion(60HZ)!

Long story short, a new standard was developed. Preserving the 625 lines of PAL system but improving the framerate from 50HZ to 60HZ which is now called "PAL 60". Having 625 lines with 60HZ refresh rate would surely gives you a cutting edge Television viewing!

Since this is a new technology, not many devices support it. Some DVDs do support it but still not popular on the market!

It plays alright on PAL T.V since it uses 625 lines even though scanning at 60HZ. I can't give you a technical explanation of it because it involves a very deep Engineering knowledge.

Regards,
Java-Fan

[Richard_G]

Long story short, a new standard was developed. Preserving the 625 lines of PAL system but improving the framerate from 50HZ to 60HZ which is now called "PAL 60". Having 625 lines with 60HZ refresh rate would surely gives you a cutting edge Television viewing!

Since this is a new technology, not many devices support it. Some DVDs do support it but still not popular on the market!

It plays alright on PAL T.V since it uses 625 lines even though scanning at 60HZ. I can't give you a technical explanation of it because it involves a very deep Engineering knowledge.

Regards,
Java-Fan

What a load of absolute cobblers!

PAL 60 is what many devices output if an NTSC signal is output as PAL. It is considerably easier than trying to alter the frame rate.

To answer the original question. Most European TVs will accept a PAL60 input and display it, hardly any VCRs or computer capture cards will. In fact, most modern European TVs will quite happily accept an NTSC input too. On a European TV equipped with scart sockets you may be able to get around it by putting the PAL60 signal into one scart socket and taking the output (to VCR or computer) from the other scart. This will work with some TVs but not all. If the camera can output PAL50, that is what you need to use.

[java-fan.trojanhorse]

So give me a technical difference between PAL 60 & NTSC then?

You wrote:
"PAL 60 is what many devices output if an NTSC signal is output as PAL. It is considerably easier than trying to alter the frame rate".

You can never feed an NTSC signal into PAL TV unless if the TV is Multi-system. Television was created with a standard! PAL is PAL; NTSC is NTSC ...

Feeding an NTSC into PAL TV would still have the same framerate(60HZ) but can't view the picture properly instead you get Black&White display with big black lines passing from bottom to top of the PAL T.V screen!

You wrote:
"In fact, most modern European TVs will quite happily accept an NTSC input too". ---->> This what a Multi-system Television is!

[Dragonsf]

PAL 60 is the same as PAL M is nearly the same as NTSC 4.43
this is in fact not very new, my first VCR (from 1982) could already do this on a Sony TV in EU.
see:
http://www.videointerchange.com/pal_secam_conversions.htm#What%20is%20NTSC%204.43

Using a standard converter or some video-capture card could do the trick, but better to use original equipment (capture NTSC on NTSC device and PAL on PAL device)

[SatStorm]

PAL60 is simply NTSC 4.43 with revert colours.

It is not a broadcast standard, neither a PAL variation for real. It is simply how some VCRs output NTSC so to be watched on PAL-only TVs

There is only one way to grab succesfull PAL60: To use a bt8xx based card with the btwincap drivers. You set input to Pal60 and you grabb at 720 x 480 @29.97 (some times 30fps is needed, this depends on the VCR you use). What ends up on your PC, is pure NTSC and you handle it that way

PAL M (used in Brasil) is not PAL60, but close enough. It is more NTSC than PAL.

Just for the info, there is also NTSC50: Far more rare, that is how some VCRs output PAL on NTSC TV displays!

[AngusMacGyver]

PAL 60 is the same as PAL M is nearly the same as NTSC 4.43
this is in fact not very new, my first VCR (from 1982) could already do this on a Sony TV in EU.
see:
http://www.videointerchange.com/pal_secam_conversions.htm#What%20is%20NTSC%204.43

Using a standard converter or some video-capture card could do the trick, but better to use original equipment (capture NTSC on NTSC device and PAL on PAL device)

I'm sorry, but I think I have to disagree. PAL-M is 525 line, like NTSC. Brazillian standard is PAL-M. In few words, PAL-M has NTSC framerate and framesize with PAL system color.
Good luck.

[Dragonsf]

Where did I say, that PAL 60 or PAL M is 625 lines? If so, sorry about that confusion. PAL M and PAL 60 are essential 525 lines at 30 frames'second.