How to add your own subtitle to DVD (keep menu, multi-pgc)

[Golgo13]

So, I'm having some problems over here...

The subtitle shows with some wierd colors, but I fixed that with DVDSubEdit, then, when I tried to play on a standalone DVD, the subtitles doens't show. I can change, but it doesn't shows. Again, when I put the reauthored DVD to play on the PC, the subtitles show...

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks in advance.

[tmihai20]

So, I'm having some problems over here...

The subtitle shows with some weird colors...

I had the same problem when generating subtitles (SUP Files) with some other software (the subtitles were green and unreadable). Now I use SubtitleCreator to generate them, I think it makes them nice looking. I suggest you go through the whole process again, but use subtitles generated with SubtitleCreator. You can test them using DVDSubEdit before adding them to the DVD, to see if they are alright.

[dominikus28]

I tried using this method (described in the firect post how to add subtitle to DVD) but when I got up to MuxMan v0.14g, I couldn't load the subtitles SUP file: it said that the subpicture file was too short.

What do I do, what is the problem?

[manono]

Hi-

The first thing I would suggest is an update of your Muxman, as the free version is up to 15R now and yours is quite old. I haven't seen that message before, but if updating doesn't work I would next check out the SUP file to see if it's good. SubtitleCreator and DVDSubEdit can open SUP files and read what's inside. If the subs look OK, then I would next go to the (HD) DVD & Blu-ray Authoring Forum at Doom9 where the Muxman developer (mpucoder) moderates and ask there. You'll have to wait 5 days after registering before you can post.

If you created this SUP file yourself then there's probably something wrong with it and Muxman rejects it for very good reasons. If so please explain the SUP file creation steps and maybe I can point you to a better method, one that Muxman will accept. By the way, this guide is fairly old (although maybe still useful). Better is the Method 2 of Baldrick's guide:

https://forum.videohelp.com/topic338721.html

[tmihai20]

The problem is much simpler. You didn't add the subpicture file as I see in the picture you posted.

[manono]

No, Muxman didn't accept the SUP file he tried to load, so nothing shows in the SubPictures section.

[Khalel]

Please somebody help me. I've done everything as the guide, until the part 6 of Vobblanker. Actually, I don't mind of having a subtitle from a language different from what it was supposed to be. But what is happpening to me is that I have no sound in the "reauthored" dvd. The subtitles I have replaced works quite well, but no sound is played. MANONO said "One way it's caused is that the original audio may have been the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th audio stream. When you author, that audio naturally becomes the 1st audio stream. It can easily be fixed using PGCEdit by Disabling whatever stream number the original audio was, and by Setting or turning on the 1st audio stream" but I have no idea how to use the PGCEdit. I download it but I can't find what I should do to "put the audio as first stream". If somebody could help me. Thanks in advance for everyone.

[manono]

What happens when you play the Muxman authored DVD (before replacing using VobBlanker)? Do you get sound? Maybe the answer is as simple as installing the AC3Filter.

[Khalel]

But I can play the sound here normally. Until the part of Muxman, I play the movie just for a test and it goes very well. But after the part when I have to replace the VOBs, the sound doesn't play in the newer DVD ( reauthored ),, but the subtitles play very well, even being in the place of the other languages

[manono]

OK, the Muxman authored DVD plays fine, right? It's only after it's replaced with VobBlanker that you no longer have sound, right? Then you'll have to find out which stream plays by default so you can emulate it in the new DVD. Evidently it's not the first audio stream and evidently you didn't keep all the audio streams. Is that right?

When you demuxed the DVD originally you were given 2 or more audio streams, numbered as AudioFile_80.ac3, AudioFile_81.ac3, AudioFile_82.ac3, etc. I guess one of them other than AudioFile_80.ac3 is the default. One way to find out which it is, if you don't already know, is to use PowerDVD and check which of the audio languages is checked when playing the DVD at default settings, the top one, the 2nd one down, the 3rd one down, etc.

Let's say you have 3 audio languages and it's the 2nd one that's the default. There are 2 ways to fix it. One is to modify the menu commands so the first one plays by default. I'll assume you know nothing about how to do that. The other is to "fake" having the 2nd one still play by default, even though you now have only one language. Open the DVD in PGCEdit, the finished-but-with-no-sound DVD. Find your movie in the left panel and double-click on it.



In the top-middle of the new screen is the "Audio VOB's Streams" box with the original audio streams listed. Again, in this example there were 3 streams originally and it's the second one that was the default. You want to remap them so the original audio stream (Audio stream 1) becomes the one you have (Audio stream 0) . Click on the 0 button and move the slider to 1, followed by "Set". Then click on the 1 button and move the slider to 0, followed by "Set". If there are any streams after the ones you're changing that you want to get rid of entirely, open it/them, move the slider to 0 and "Disable". "OK" out of there and back to the main screen. Up at the top of the main screen is a row of icons, including one that looks like a green reel of film. Hit it. If you lowered the total number of audio streams, as in my example, it'll give you a message about fixing the number of streams. Hit "Yes" and a new screen will open. If you kept the number of streams constant there will be no such message and a new screen will open. There you can set your language correctly, so when using your remote control it'll say Portuguese (pt). At the same time you can also change the subtitle language label that you said became incorrect after replacing one of the languages with your own. "OK" back to the main screen. If you double-click the movie again, the changes as made will look something like this:



But remember, this is just an example and I don't know your particular situation. You'll have to use some common sense here and maybe experiment with different possibilities before getting it fixed. Save it (File->Save DVD) and test it out. If the audio still doesn't play, you can go back and change something else. If you really mess up, PGCEdit has saved the original IFOs and you can go back to the way it was originally (File->Backups->Restore backup, or by moving the IFOs from the "PgcEdit_backup" file back into the DVD). Also, I haven't had to do this for a while, although I've done it many times, and I hope I have the procedure explained correctly. Unfortunately, I don't have any multiple audio DVDs on the hard drive with which to test. If it doesn't work, instead of mapping audio stream 0 to 1, try disabling it entirely, so that the result looks like this:



Once you get it working OK, don't forget to delete the "PgcEdit_backup" file from your DVD folder before burning to disc. If you want to edit the subtitle menu to replace the name of the language that was there before with your new subtitle language (Portuguese), then maybe my menu editing guide will be of some use to you. I'll assume it's a static menu, as subtitle menus almost always are. You have to do the actual editing yourself, but extracting it and replacing it is very easy. Scroll down to The Easy Way part of the guide:

https://forum.videohelp.com/topic313743.html#1606732

[Khalel]

Manono, thanks for your help, but unfortunately it still didn't work. I tried everything you said, but it is still with no sound. The DVD I'm trying to author has just one sound, just english. What's more interesting is that, in the reauthored version ( that one which doesn't have sound ), there is sound in the menu. But when you play the movie, it becomes mute. I have no more idea for what to do, and this guide is the one I supposed to be the best to follow. I'm still trying, but I don't know what I may have done wrong. My version of Muxman is the premium one, does it mind ? I found something very interesting right now: when I opened an isolated VOB file ( with bsplayer, which is the one I use to play some common videos or musics ) there was sound !! But when I play the DVD itself, then using PowerDVD, there is sound just in the menu, and no sound during the whole movie. If you have any more idea about what may be happening, please, I'll be very gratefull. Thanks in advance.

[manono]

Damn, all that work for nothing. So, the Muxman authored DVD has audio, but the VobBlanker one doesn't. But when you play a VOB, there's sound. And there was only one audio track to begin with. I'm afraid I don't know.

But I have another idea. Do the DVD replacing not in VobBlanker, but in PGCEdit. Open the original DVD in PGCEdit, the DVD before you did the sub switch and before Muxman. Highlight the movie in the left panel - make it grey-looking. Then go File->Replace VTST Titles and follow the instructions. The idea is to replace what was there originally with the Muxman authored one which has the new subs. Just answer "Yes" to that big question. This works only if there is just one title in that particular VTS. With more than one, you can't just replace the one.

By the way, here's a guide to changing the audio streams, in case you didn't follow what I was suggesting last time:

http://forum.digital-digest.com/showpost.php?p=296707&postcount=1

And step 9 of this guide explains the same thing. An earlier step 4 has you examine the original DVD so you can make the replaced one look the same:

http://www.digital-digest.com/~blutach/adding_back_menus/adding_back_original_menus.htm

[Khalel]

It's incredible. It still didn't work. I replaced just as you said, using PGCEdit, and now the original dvd has no audio. It has the subtitles, has the sound during the menu, but when I play the movie, no sound ! I'm almost becoming crazy with this. One idea I had is pick the movie with sound ( as I said, the movie remuxed has sound, but unfortunately it has no menu ) , and try to rebuild the same menu by myself. Don't you have any other idea of what I may be doing wrong ? Is there any option on either PGCEdit or VobBlanker which takes off the sound ?
Just editing this message, I noticed something now very interesting. Look:
- If I open the final DVD ( the DVD from having replaced the files, in this case now my last action was replacing with the PGCEdit, as you said ) with PowerDVD and, as I said, no sound during the movie
- I open the VOB isolated, yes, there is sound, the only sound which I already supposed it would be
- I open the DVD Folder in DVD Shrink, and it says there is no audio in the main movie !!! It says 0 MB in AUDIO option
Do you have anything to say about this ?
Do you think I should try to force adding the audio ( from the demuxed folder ) into the final DVD, leave the non-menu DVD however working, and try to make a new menu for it like the original one, or any other idea ?
Thanks for everything MANONO

[manono]

Curiouser and curiouser. Try opening both the original DVD and the finished one with PGCEdit to compare what it says about the audio in the PGC Editor (the screen you get to after double-clicking on the video). That was explained in the last guide to which I linked, the one I mentioned about steps 9 and 4. If there are no obvious differences between the 2, then I have no idea why you don't get audio in the finished DVD. There's obviously audio in there, because you hear it when playing the VOBs by themselves. Remember that the audio now is the first stream (Audio VOB Stream 0). Check if it's any different in the original DVD. If there's something else in that same VTS, a different PGC, conceivably it could have claimed Audio VOB Stream 0 and your audio would have had a different stream.

You say when opening the finished DVD in DVD Shrink it doesn't show any audio. What about when you open the Muxman authored one? I'm guessing it's going to show the audio.

Is there any option on either PGCEdit or VobBlanker which takes off the sound ?

PGCEdit, no. VobBlanker, yes, but you'd have to do it on purpose by hitting the "Strip" button. Because when using VobBlanker for the replace, it's getting its audio information from the original IFO. If something changes (if it becomes a different stream), then you might not get audio, and it might not show up in DVD Shrink. I'm sure there's an easy answer to this, but I don't know what it is. I haven't ever had a problem remotely like yours, and haven't had to explore the possibilities myself.

I do have another idea, but first I'd like to know what, if anything, comes from comparing the original with the edited DVD.

[Khalel]

Well, I tried to open both the original DVD and the reauthored one with PGCEdit, and both of them have really the same PGC Editor screen. Buttons, numbers, everything is the same. I also tried to follow the guide you linked, which says about steps from 4 to 9, and I tried that ( despite I thought it wouldn't work ). As I told you, when I open the reauthored DVD on DVD Shrink, it says there is no audio ( 0 mb ). However, when I open the Muxman DVD ( the remuxed one ) on Shrink, the audio appears normally, there with more than 200 mb. Curiously, the size of the remuxed DVD on Shrink is the same of the reauthored dvd on the same program. How can it be the same size on both tests, but audio appears just in one ? What is the other idea you would have for this ?
Thanks a lot

[manono]

Everything the same, eh? My other idea would probably repeat the same thing. You try it and nothing happens. I'm not any good at reading IFOs, which is probably what is needed here. My next suggestion is to report the problem in the IFO/VOB Editors Forum at Doom9.

http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?f=50

The developers of both VobBlanker and PGCEdit as well as quite a few experts in this kind of thing hang out there. One will most likely ask to see some IFOs after you report the problem. You'll have to first register at Doom9 and then wait 5 days before being able to post a question. I apologize for not being able to help you with your problem, and thank you for your patience. I'm sure it's something simple to fix, but I can't figure what it is. This thread there is a bit similar to yours:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=136804

My next suggestion would have been to add an STN command, as r0lZ (the PGCEdit developer) suggests in his answer. But with the audio not even showing, I decided that wouldn't work. And blutach's reply right after that suggests the same thing I suggested back at the very beginning, remapping the audio streams. Good luck.

[r0lZ]

I did recently a test to see if a stream that is not correctly mapped in the PGC Editor can be stripped with Shrink, and I have noticed that Shrink marks it as being 0 byte long. So, I guess that the reauthored DVD has not the right stream number in the PGC. As explained by manono above, it should be 0, and enabled. Try again!

If that doesn't work, select the main movie in the left pane of PgcEdit, and go to Info -> PGC. Post the output here. Then go to Info -> Streams, and post the output here as well.

[Khalel]

Thanks MANONO and everybody for the help. MANONO, I found out an option in PGCEdit which enabled the sound. I can't understand how I hadn't seen it before. But that's ok. Unfortunately, I have now another problem which is being a little weird to solve. I authored a DVD, as I said, which I replaced some subtitles in. The DVD played very well on my computer. The subtitles were shown correctly. However, when I try to play on my standalone dvd player from the sitting room, the DVD plays well, the subtitles are shown correctly, BUT the sound is really really low. Much Much lower than when playing on computer. I have to increase the volume radically just to listen something ( just some sounds, not a good sound ). Do you or does anybody know what may be happening with my authored dvds ? How could I solve this problem ? Thanks a lot in advance

[amagrace]

First of all, thanks for the excellent guide.

I followed the instruction to add a subtitle to a DVD which does NOT have any original subtitle at all. First attemp failed but after some struggles it finally worked out. I found that I need to update the IFO file (somewhere, cant recall now the exact location) to tell the DVD that subtitle does exist.

I am just trying to say that I managed to work through all the steps and made something successfully.

And now I am facing another problem. I hope someone are able to help me.

The DVD I am working on seems has 2 PGC (I am not really sure if this claim is correct, but I see two VOB files for the same chapter, 1 around 1G and the other about 600M). Again this does not have any subtitle at all but I have the transcript. So I start to create the SRT file with some subtitle edit program (then convert it with subtitle creator)

I make the srt file by VOB. Since there are two VOBs, here is my questions:
1. SHould I make one single subtitle file or two, one for each VOB?
2. How should the timer start on the second subtitle file? from zero or continue from the end of the last one?
3. The software I use(can't recall the name out of my head) plays mpg, but not the dvd disk. If one single subtitle file is needed, what tools can I use instead (to tag timers to text transcript file).

Also, when I follow the steps to demux the video, PGCDemux only demuxes the first vob. How can I process both VOBS?

Thanks

[m_tawfik15]

Dear bluedha,
First I want to thank you very much for your very useful guide.
I used your guide many times successfully to add subtitle in my language to DVD movies that do not have one and play it on my PC. Lately I faced a problem with one movie, I would be appreciated very much if you help me to solve it. My problem is as follows:-
A) I used DVDDecrypter and copied every thing to the original directory.
B) After that I use –as usual- PGCDemux and found that (VTS_02_0.IFO) is the correct IFO file which shows the correct time as per PgcDemux.jpg image. And I pressed Process, after a short time the program finished its processing.
C) However when I checked the resulting files I found that they are very small in size although the original files are 4.30GB, please look at (Original files.jpg), also please look at (Demuxed files.jpg) image. I repeated the procedures again and got the same result.
D) I tried to rip the DVD to AVI, but the program detected this file duration as 00:00:00.
Any suggestion to solve this problem would be very appreciated
Best regards,

[vegetaleb]

Hello!
I have used your guide with ordinary DVDs movies but I have a little problem now: I have the DVD of The Stand which is divided into 2 movies so I have TS_01 and TS_02,what should I do differently to apply new subs to the 2 parts of this same DVD??

[GogetaKame]

I was using this guide and it worked all the way up until when im looking at the subtitles in subtitle creator, like one of the last parts. for some reason around my subtitles there is a box. Do you know how i can get rid of that with subtitle creator? or some other program?
i added a picture so that you can see.

https://forum.videohelp.com/images/guides/p1876188/help.bmp

[tmihai20]

Did the subtitles look like that when you added them in Subtitle Creator? I had problems with some original subtitles because they had weird colors and my subtitle didn't match those colors. You must have done something, just load the SRT file, change whatever font and color you like and leave them like that. Try generating again the subtitles with Subtitle Creator. I check the subtitles with SubView to see how they really look like. Hope this helps.

[SidDan]

Hi
splendid Guide which I discovered yesterday and I have successfully been able to add a subtitle.

But one question regarding LB and Wide:
In Muxman I have added 2 streams, one Wide and one LB with different vertical placement.
How do I make use of it? The Wide is always displayed, on computer, on 4:3 TV with letterbox.
How do I make the LB subtitle to display in Letterbox and have the Wide only kick in on a Widescreen TV of some sort.

I have in IFOedit tried to adjust the Movie attributes where I can set it to Automatic Pan&Scan, Automatic Letterbox and Letterboxed (top&botton cropped) *misspelled in IFOedit * No differences.

Or... should this be specified when remuxing in Muxman? I´ve noticed the preferences can be changed there aswell; 4:3, 16:9 P/S and LB, 16:9 Only panscan, 16:9 only letterbox.
Haven´t tested it there yet tho, but would it make any difference... ¿


The movie I am backing up is Gladiator Extended. In Ifoedit I see in movie attributes of the VTS_01_0.IFO that the 16:9 is selected and Automatic Letterboxed is checked.
Perhaps Automatic Pan&Scan cannot be accomplished (Is it pan&scan it is called?) in a movie that originally does not use it?


Thanks

[fibola]

hi,
im tring to add subtitles for the series "burn notice" and as i adding subtitles to the second cd (episodes 4-7) i come up against a problem after using the vobblanker when after the vobblanker finished working the subtitle i added was actually missing and all there was , were the original subtitles.

i tried to do it twice and same thing happened.
ive added many times before subtitles for multi episodes disc before (including the first cd in the that series , episode 1-3) and i dont know what i am doing wrong this time, or what is the problem that causing this .

anyone can help me over here ?


here is the log file:


vobblanker_log.txt

[manono]

After muxing that episode using Muxman (but before the VobBlanker step), does it have the right subtitles? And if they show up after being muxed with Muxman, did you follow the step in the guide about "turning on" the new subs using IFOEdit? It's a heck of a lot easier to do that in PGCEdit, but the guide is using IFOEdit for that job.

Also, I think you did the replacing wrong as the VTS 05 is all messed up. Can you post a pic of the main screen of the original DVD with the VTS 05 highlighted so it appears in the bottom part of the screen?

VTS 05: Replacing PGC 04 by C:\New Folder (5)\video_ts\VTS_01_0.IFO
Cells to be replaced =1.
Cells in replacing VOB=18

It shouldn't be like that.

[fibola]

yes the subtitles do have the right sub after muxing using muxman and before vobblanker.
as for turning on the new sub , do u mention for the color issue ? if so , i also use pgcedit but the color is changing only after im using vobblanker. so it doesnt matter for this part (if that what you mention for), since after vobblanker finished i got the original subs.

[manono]

As I suspected, you're replacing the wrong thing. You can only replace PGCs 1 and 2 in that VTS. The others are empty, as you may notice. They have no size and are marked as reused. They only reference the earlier PGCs. This means you have to demux only PGCs 1 and 2, and create the subs for only PGCs 1 and 2. Don't do anything with PGCs 4, 5, 6, and 7. It looks like each of the first 2 PGCs include 2 episodes, assuming this is an episodic DVD of some kind. If you created new subs for each episode separately, you'll have to combine them.

[fibola]

ok.
i demux only pgc 1 and 2 but each one of the contain only 1 episode.

maybe its something with the rebuilt the dvd that im doing wrong (with vobblanker) ?

[manono]

No, according to the VobBlanker pic you uploaded, each of the first 2 PGCs contains 2 episodes. Look at it. The length of PGC 1 is 1:25:38. The first episode's length (from PGC 4) is 42:32. The second episode's length (from PGC 5) is 43:05. Add them up to get the length of PGC 1. Maybe you didn't demux by PGC, but by VOB ID. I don't know, but you did it wrong. There's nothing really wrong with demuxing by VOB ID, if each is an episode. The problem comes when trying to do the replace in VobBlanker as you can't replace by VOB ID, but only by either PGC or by Cell (after hitting the "Cell" button to the right).

Also, according to your log, you tried to replace PGCs 4, 5, 6, and 7. You should have been replacing PGCs 1 and 2.