How to add your own subtitle to DVD (keep menu, multi-pgc)

[tRAVALO]

Manusse ,

thankx ma friend ,it works
allright ,very very nice

[tRAVALO]

it tell me now to activat overlay subtitles
what should i do, what comes next

[daemon22]

I have a problem when usin this methood on one of my movies.

Evreything work fine until i replace the original movie with the one in the remuxed folder (using vobblanker) after doing that then the audio and the video dont fit ther is a delay in the audio.

In the remuxed folder there is no delay only in the final folder, PGCdemuxed sayes that there is no delay.

I have done this with alot of my movies but never get this problem, how can i fix the delay?

Please help me.

[mega-hawk]

I'm going crazy...

I use this guide
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=135193
and this guide
https://forum.videohelp.com/topic275603.html

Now i have 4 folders

1riginal
2:demux
3.remuxed
4reauthored

1 is the original movie works fine.
2 is my 3 Demux files (VTS_02_080.ac3 - VTS_02_0.m2v and new.sup)
3 is my remuxed movie with my own addet subtitles on. plays fine and work fine with my new subtitle but without a menu /
4 is the complete movie with menu but without my subtitle

So here comes my problem
I follow the last guide from step 7.

Step 7, 8 and 9a i no problem but then it comes at 9b.

---------------------"-from the guide-"---------------------
b) Open the VTS_TS.IFO from the "reauthored" directory. Go to the same place and modify the values to match the
information from remuxed video, by double clicking on the item you want to change. If the number of subtitles
were reduced, you can zero out the removed subs. Click on Save button and answer yes when it asks to save .BUP
file as well.
-----------------------------------------------------------------

i open VTS_TS.IFO from the reauthored movie
Go to VMG_VTS_ATRT -> then VTS_1: Number of sub-picture streams in title (VTSTT_VOBS) 0

Why do it not stand 1 or 2 or more?
next line is emty
and the next line is VTS 2

So can any one please tell me what I do wrong here i'm going crazy

[manono]

That method described in Step 9 is obsolete. Follow Mystiqq's variation on Step 9 described farther down on the first page of the guide and see if you have better luck:

https://forum.videohelp.com/topic275603.html#1363600

PGCEdit has changed a bit since he wrote that. After you add in the subtitle stream, go back out to the main screen and find the icon at the top that looks like a green reel of film. Hit it and it'll say something about a new subtitle. Hit yes, and in the new screen you can choose the language to identify your new subtitle.

[mega-hawk]

hm... the PgcEdit looks wierd to me. Have never tryed to work with this program before so I guess I need to read some guides on how to use it, can't really find anything in the guide from Mystiqq that I understand and can use maybee some of you know a good guide with pics that I can use?

[jaynoname]

Hello,

Great guide. I’ve used it successfully numerous times.

I am having an issue with my current project. This is my first working with PAL. I’m trying to add English subs to the French DVD Perfect Blue. The DVD is 16:9 anamorphic widescreen.
But when I demux the video in PGCdemux, the resulting .M2V video is 4:3. I went through the process of making a DVD with Muxman, and the DVD is letterbox.

Another issue is with Muxman. Some of the buttons are missing. In the video section I cannot select PS, LB, or Both. When I add my subs, I cannot select PS, LB, or wide. I’ve used this program a number of times, and this has never happened before. I don’t believe it’s the files I’m using. I went back to some old .M2V and .sup files that worked before, but the buttons are still grayed out. Has this happened to anyone else?

I’d appreciate any help that anyone can give me. Thanks.

[manono]

Hi-

The DVD is 16:9 anamorphic widescreen.
But when I demux the video in PGCdemux, the resulting .M2V video is 4:3.

It's unusual, but not unheard of. The video was encoded as 4:3, but the IFOs were set for 16:9. Since DVD players play the IFOs, it played fine. But when you remux with Muxman, the IFOs it creates take the DAR from the DAR of the video and it then plays wrong. 2 fixes come to mind.
1. Change the M2V from 4:3 to 16:9 before authoring using ReStream. Then you shouldn't have any trouble muxing the way you want, using Muxman.
2. After making the 4:3 DVD, open it in PGCEdit, right-click the video and hit Domain Stream Attributes. Then change it from 4:3 to 16:9 (probably with Automatic Letterbox, instead of the way this pic has it), OK out to the main screen and Save. And test.

That way will make it like the retail DVD. This all assumes I understood your problem and what you were asking, not always true.

[tRAVALO]

manono see if you can help me with subtitle creator _ since manusse is out .

i cant vizualize the movie wiht overlay subtitles option on ,
i allready desactivate that option and i can see the movie now but not the subtitles

help me manono
thankz

[manono]

Sorry, tRAVALO, no offense intended to manusse and the excellent SubtitleCreator, but I don't use it for that. When I'm synching subs to a movie, I make a mono 8-bit WAV file of the audio and use SubStation Alpha for the job. I synch to the audio. I wouldn't even know how to use SubtitleCreator as you want to do, much less suggest a fix for your problem.

[tRAVALO]

i apreciate ,
allways in front manono
you are such a nice guy
thankz

[manono]

How long before this fool is banned?

[tRAVALO]

manono ,i have the audio in wav format i have substation alpha i run the sound and subtitles .
now ,how do i synch the audio with the subs?
thankz

[manono]

Hi-

I've been doing it a lot recently. I have a couple of PAL DVDs (one of the Indian classic film Sholay) that don't have English subs, so I've had to add them. You made an 8-bit Mono WAV file, and you got it open OK in SubStation Alpha? You can see the wave form at the top? If so, you're good to go.

What I did was to first OCR the subs already on the DVD (some in French) into SSA format using SubRip, opened them in SubStation Alpha, added in the WAV audio, and slowly replaced the lines of dialog one by one with the English subs I wanted. In one case I got the English subs from an inferior R1 DVD that had good English NTSC subs. In the other I got some subs from an online subtitle site, homemade ones.

Of course, in neither case could they always be replaced line-for-line. So I often had to change what audio went with which lines of dialog. I would go to a line of dialog, hit "Play Row" to check the timing, and replace it with the English subs. If the timing had to be changed, I'd change the begin (yellow line-left mouse click) and end (red line-right mouse click), and hit "Play Selected". When I got the 2 colored lines where I wanted them, and the English dialog I wanted, I'd hit "Grab Times", and go on to the next line. This is all very tedious work, and I could stand to do only about 100 lines at a time. So, each DVD took about 2-3 weeks of work, off and on. I also made an AVI of the film, so I could easily see who was talking when I needed to.

If you don't already have some other subs for the basic timing, then you create the lines yourself, one-by-one, creating the start and end, and typing in or copying-and-pasting in your dialog before "Grab Times", which also grabs the lines of dialog at the same time.

There's also a pretty good help file included.

[Lure]

Hello everybody!
I used this guide to add my custom subs to a multi-episode dvd which had no subs at all.
It worked fine except for this:
each episode has multi angle (2 angles) opening and ending credits. After all the process I've lost the possibility of switching from one angle to the other. Where is the problem?
Another thing is that the subs are activated by default when I play the dvd.
How can I turn them off so that I can activate them only when I want?
Thanx.

[carlanga]

Hi, i followed succesfully this tutorial many times before, but now i got a problem.
A message pops up in muxman when the remux is finished: "1 oddities detected. resulting DVD is non-standard."
It becomes stranger: i do the VobBlanker step, and the resulting DVD doesn't have the VIDEO_TS.IFO and VIDEO_TS.BUP files, so i can't preview in PowerDVD. I tried to replace the unexisting files with the ones in the ORIGINAL folder. It played well in the preview, subtitles show up nice, but when i burn the movie to disc, the player won't show the new subtitles.

I don't know how to solve this thing, and i will thank any help.

[manono]

1 oddities detected. resulting DVD is non-standard."

Check the muxman.log in the root of the C drive for more information. Maybe some GOPs are too big.

I tried to replace the unexisting files with the ones in the ORIGINAL folder. It played well in the preview, subtitles show up nice, but when i burn the movie to disc, the player won't show the new subtitles.

I didn't understand that part. What preview? Did you test it while still on the hard drive, like with PowerDVD or somesuch, and you had subs? But after being burned to disc and tested in your standalone, you no longer had subs? This DVD, did it have any subs before? Were you adding subs for the first time? If so, you have to "turn on" the subs in IFOEdit or PGCEdit for them to show up.

[carlanga]

I didn't understand that part. What preview? Did you test it while still on the hard drive, like with PowerDVD or somesuch, and you had subs?

Yes.

But after being burned to disc and tested in your standalone, you no longer had subs?

Exactly, the subs don't show up but the player recognizes that there's a subtitle.

This DVD, did it have any subs before?

Yes, i tried replacing the original english subs for spanish ones (that's the reason my english sucks, i'm from Chile). I also tried adding the subs but i get stuck in the same step, because at the end i don´t have the IFO to edit. The original file of the DVD is an ISO image.

The thing i find complicated to work with is that VobBlanker isn't making all the files of the DVD, and when the process is finished, i can't preview the result in PowerDVD, that's why i tried to put in the REAUTHORED folder some files of the ORIGINAL folder, although I know this is a wrong thing to do.

Here`s the muxman log:
MuxMan version 0.15R
Accepted video C:\Documents and Settings\Administrador\Mis documentos\DVD CARLOS\DEMUXED\VideoFile.m2v size = 4153155340
Accepted audio C:\Documents and Settings\Administrador\Mis documentos\DVD CARLOS\DEMUXED\AudioFile_80.ac3
Accepted audio C:\Documents and Settings\Administrador\Mis documentos\DVD CARLOS\DEMUXED\AudioFile_81.ac3
Opened sub 1 file D:\SUBS\The.Marriage.Of.Maria.Braun.1979.DVDRip.Xv iDnew.sup.
expanded database to 300 entries.

12:12:14 Begin multiplex VTS01.
Title Segment List
Segment_1
Encoded stream 20 is script stream 1.
Encoded stream 20 is script stream 2.
Encoded stream 21 is script stream 3.
Maximum audio duration 432900 fields.
Starting scene Segment_1_scn1 at 00:00:00:00
Starting scene Segment_1_scn2 at 00:00:12:00
Starting scene Segment_1_scn3 at 00:03:44:04
Starting scene Segment_1_scn4 at 00:07:19:22
Starting scene Segment_1_scn5 at 00:09:16:28
Starting scene Segment_1_scn6 at 00:13:53:29
Starting scene Segment_1_scn7 at 00:18:11:09
Starting scene Segment_1_scn8 at 00:20:21:21
Starting scene Segment_1_scn9 at 00:24:02:09
Starting scene Segment_1_scn10 at 00:28:18:00
Starting scene Segment_1_scn11 at 00:32:10:07
Starting scene Segment_1_scn12 at 00:35:53:06
Starting scene Segment_1_scn13 at 00:40:47:11
Starting scene Segment_1_scn14 at 00:44:50:01
Starting scene Segment_1_scn15 at 00:53:07:18
Starting scene Segment_1_scn16 at 00:54:51:22
Starting scene Segment_1_scn17 at 00:56:49:11
Starting scene Segment_1_scn18 at 01:03:53:04
Starting scene Segment_1_scn19 at 01:10:33:00
Starting scene Segment_1_scn20 at 01:14:02:17
Starting scene Segment_1_scn21 at 01:16:26:06
Starting scene Segment_1_scn22 at 01:20:09:00
Starting scene Segment_1_scn23 at 01:22:41:13
Starting scene Segment_1_scn24 at 01:28:50:25
Starting scene Segment_1_scn25 at 01:34:19:00
Starting scene Segment_1_scn26 at 01:37:45:17
Starting scene Segment_1_scn27 at 01:40:14:15
Starting scene Segment_1_scn28 at 01:43:18:02
Starting scene Segment_1_scn29 at 01:47:04:09
Starting scene Segment_1_scn30 at 01:48:26:07
Starting scene Segment_1_scn31 at 01:54:42:15
Starting scene Segment_1_scn32 at 02:00:13:20
End of video file
Bytes remaining in buffer = 0.
Bitrate - avg: 5106628, min: 523764 (lba 0), max: 9558697 (lba 2237782).
Shortest GOP has 9 fields, longest GOP has 37 fields.
Fields: 432900, VOBU: 14277, Sectors: 2251048.
Largest GOP of 37 fields exceeds DVD specification of 36, resulting DVD is non-standard.

12:35:26 Begin multiplex VMG.
12:35:26 End multiplex.
1 oddities detected, resulting DVD is non-standard. Check log for details[/s]

[manono]

Did you see why you got that "oddity" statement? You have GOPs that are too big. It may play OK in your player, or it may stutter.

About the subs, I don't know. I had a similar problem once where I sent a DVD to a friend of a movie to which I had added subs. It played fine in PowerDVD and in my standalones, but no subs showed up on his standalone or XBox. Maybe it had to do with the way I made the subs, not really sure. I make them differently now, and give Muxman SST subs, rather than SUP files. I've never used SubtitleWorkshop, and don't know if the problem is related to using it or not, but if you've used it before with no problem, then I don't think so.

I also tried adding the subs but i get stuck in the same step, because at the end i don´t have the IFO to edit. The original file of the DVD is an ISO image.

Then how did you do the Replace step in VobBlanker if you don't have the original DVD? Get the DVD out of the ISO and open it in VobBlanker. Every time I've ever used VobBlanker I always get the VIDEO_TS.IFO and VIDEO_TS.BUP files.

[carlanga]

I also tried adding the subs but i get stuck in the same step, because at the end i don´t have the IFO to edit. The original file of the DVD is an ISO image.

Then how did you do the Replace step in VobBlanker if you don't have the original DVD? Get the DVD out of the ISO and open it in VobBlanker. Every time I've ever used VobBlanker I always get the VIDEO_TS.IFO and VIDEO_TS.BUP files.[/quote]
I explained myself badly. I dowloaded the ISO of the dvd; then i converted it to vobs and ifos (with DVDShrink i think). Those files are my ORGINAL folder, not the ISO. I mentioned the ISO because maybe that's the place where the wrongness began, i don't know, i'm speculating.
There's obviously a problem with the GOPs but i must recognize that i have no idea what that means and i don't know what's the solution for that problem.
Other possibilitie i'm thinking of is to burn the ISO and do the whole process from there.

Well, thanks for all your answers, manono, i hope you can teach me how to solve the GOPs issue - or maybe that's on another topic? Sorry, if so.

[manono]

Well, the only solution to the GOP problem is to reencode the whole thing using smaller GOPs. The idiot that made it in the first place should have done it correctly. It may not be a serious problem, though. It just depends on how your player handles out-of-spec GOP lengths. But it's not related to your subtitle problem.

[Sakuya]

I encountered a problem. My DVD was a DVD-9 so I had to use DVD Shrink before everything to downsize it to DVD-5. I removed the main movie's AC3 track, leaving 1 DTS track as well as 1 Chinese subtitles. I want to keep all the menus and just add 1 English subtitle stream.

At step 7, I used Muxman to add the first sub stream as Chinese and the second stream as English. I selected both streams as LB + Wide. I saved it to the Remuxed folder and opened IFOedit to confirm that there were indeed 2 subtitle streams in the correct order (Chinese, English). I opened the original VIDEO_TS.IFO in VobBlanker and replaced the main movie title and replaced it with the VTS_01_0.IFO from Remuxed. Saved as Reauthored.

At step 9 when I opened Reauthored's VIDEO_TS.IFO in IFOedit, it only shows one sub stream and that is the Chinese one. Same results in PGCedit. I don't know what I did wrong. I am certain Remuxed has 2 sub streams. Any help is appreciated, thanks.

[manono]

Hi-

Even though both sub streams are in the VOBs, there's only one in the IFOs because that's all there were in the original DVD, so the English one won't play. Follow the instructions in this post to "turn on" your English subs:

https://forum.videohelp.com/topic338721.html#1778185

[fibola]

hi,
im tring to add subtitle to a episodes dvd , but when i tring to add all episodes (after attach to each one of them the sub) back together i get this error from voblanker. i done this many time before but never had this problem.

anyone know what could it be , and how can i fix it ?

vobblanker_log.txt

[manono]

Hi-

I'm not sure I'm knowledgeable enough to be able to pinpoint the error, but it seems to be this:

VTS 03: Replacing PGC 02 by C:\New Folder\video_ts\VTS_01_0.IFO
Cells to be replaced =0.
Cells in replacing VOB=6
Error: Cell not found

Did you perhaps try to replace individual episodes one by one, where the episodes are all in the same PGC together? That is, did you try and replace a 0 MB PGC? Check the size of the original PGCs in VobBlanker.

If that's not it and if no one else comes up with the reason for the error, perhaps try the IFO/Vob Editors Forum at Doom9, where the developer hangs out.

[fibola]

thanx manono . im affraid thats not the case in herem. i replaced the correct episodes .
what i do notice in your quote that the VTS 03 (which i understand its refer to the third episode) is tring to replaced by the one in C:\New Folder\video_ts\VTS_01_0.IFO which there lay my first episode.

the third one is placed in C:\New Folder (3)\video_ts\VTS_01_0.IFO
i tried to see if i was made a mistake by address the replacement to there but i didnt.

i try your advise and go to doom9 .

thanx again.

[tmihai20]

I have posted a method to modifying menus HERE, it is not a tutorial, as I stated before, just some steps to take; now I have another big problem; I modified a DVD without adding the chapter information in Muxman, and it worked like a charm; I noticed the chapters didn't work, so I did the whole thing again; I demuxed the streams with PCGDemux, generating chapter information, then I muxed them back together using MuxMan; but after muxing with Muxman, I get a main movie of only 2 minutes, just the size of the first chapter, although I have the VTS_01_x.VOB files (the ones containing the actual movie); any suggestions, because I'm starting to lose my patience...

[manono]

I have posted some tutorial to modifying menus HERE

Not exactly. What you did was to use my guide thread for adding some unrelated information of your own. Explaining how to edit a Muxman MXP project file to add in more subtitle languages has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of my guide, and wasted a whole lot of space. The part about editing menu subpics, while useful, is thoroughly (and better) explained in the DVDSubEdit manual. The part with the VobBlanker pics just covers the same ground I did in my guide (and I did it better). I'll thank you to remove your "tutorial" and create your own guide in a different thread. What you did is sometimes called "threadcrapping" and is not appreciated.

I demuxed the streams with PCGDemux, generating chapter information, then I muxed them back together using MuxMan; but after muxing with Muxman, I get a main movie of only 2 minutes,

How did you generate the chapter information? Are you talking about the original celltimes text from the original DVD? Or one you created yourself? And if so, what does the celltimes.txt (or whatever you named it) you created look like? I've done this probably a thousand times, sometimes editing the celltimes.txt (as when converting from PAL2NTSC, for example), and sometimes even creating my own, and never had the problem you describe.

Now, if you actually created a Muxman DVD with all the chapters and replaced the one with one chapter in VobBlanker using the DVD with the all the new chapters, then of course that will happen. There was only the one chapter in the DVD you opened in VobBlanker, and blank cells are created for the rest. The result will be a movie containing the one new small chapter. Either replace into the original DVD, the one that had chapters, or use PGCEdit to replace the one with no chapters with the new one with chapters. That will keep all the new chapters you added.

[tmihai20]

Off-topic (@Manono): First of all, I didn't want to minimize your own tutorial, I felt like I had to share my method with other people; I have edited the post, leaving the parts regarding the menu only. I think those parts are quite relevant.

On-topic: The celltimes.txt I used was generated by PCGDemux, I didn't edited the file; the file contains the original celltimes from the DVD; this is the file:

4273
6523
10674
16264
18669
24414
32581
36083
40242
43674
52250
59710
60997
66088
70119
79576
82654
85956
88939
91015
94801
97450
104526
109657
115386
118792
125474
127680
135280
139406
145592
147629
150375
152400
156913
161615

I noticed that playing the muxed DVD gave me an idea of the result (I opened the VIDEO_TS.IFO file from the muxed DVD I got from Muxman) and I only got 2 minutes of playback, with no menu of course, no matter what program I used. I checked the project made with VobBlanker and It shows all the chapters. The problem is Muxman doesn't import the chapters correctly, maybe because of the manually modified project... I didn't go any further because I got a 2 minutes movie...

I think I know what I did wrong; I used the old project, adding the chapters afterwards; I created a new project, added a few subtitles, the video and the audio stream and most important, the chapters; then I manually edited the project to add the other subtitles; by comparing the old and the new project, I noticed that the old project had only 1 PGC cell (although the chapter times were present); weird, but I think it should work now

Later edit (VERY VERY Important): When you start a new project in MuxMan, import the chapters FIRST, then the video, the audio streams and the subpictures. I ran into the same problem as I did before, no matter what version of MuxMan I used (I got the first chapter upon playing). I don't know how I fixed it before, maybe I iported the chapters at first, then I did the rest, I just don't remember... If you import the chapters first, then everything will be fine.

[manono]

I noticed that the old project had only 1 PGC cell (although the chapter times were present); weird, but I think it should work now

Ahh, I should have thought of that. And maybe you should have mentioned that you were using the original MXP, rather than creating a new project and then editing in the extra subtitles from the old MXP. So, Muxman did something similar to what VobBlanker would do (which is why I assumed you were using Vobblanker), giving you back just the one cell. You said all the cells were in there, and if they were all the right length, and Muxman was creating commands to end the DVD after the first cell, you probably could have edited the NAV commands to have it go on and play the rest of the cells, using PGCEdit. But what you did to fix it (creating a new project file, and then editing it) was probably easier, and surely a lot faster.

I'm sure that by creating a new MXP and then editing in the subtlte info from the old MXP that it will work for you. Good going.