Closed Captions, What players, what recorders?

[BobT]

I have been capturing video for several years with the ATI AIW 7500 with good results. From time to time I like to capture several shows, on at the same time, so I decided to get a standalone DVD recorder. After reading this sites reviews I ordered the Pioneer DVR-220 from Walmart. So I recorded some video on a DVD-RW and played it back. Sudden surprise that there were closed captions showing. I do have a hearing problem so I keep closed captions turned on most of the time. Closed Captions are not mentioned in the manual at all!
So I captured several shows, Ripped and cut them with Womble MPEGVCR, made a DVD with TMPgenc DVD Author, size a little to big so transcoded to correct size with CloneDVD2. Closed captions are still available on the finished DVD. VERY NICE! The DVR-220 has no menu selection for closed caption so if it is turned on at the TV and they are present in the Video they will show.
I have two DVD players (Daewoo DVG3000N and Apex AD1100W) that both have a Menu toggle to turn-on closed captions. Neither player can display closed captions. A friend has a Philips DVP-642 with a menu toggle that works and will display closed captions. I started looking at commercial DVD's with the DVR-220 and found that most of them have closed captions as well as Subtitles!
Perhaps this thread can be used to list those standalone DVD recorders and players which can actually capture and/or display closed captions. I know this would help a lot of people.

[SLK001]

The "closed captions" mentioned by these players is simply a SUBTITLE STREAM. True CLOSED CAPTIONS are, as you said, enabled by controls in the TV. They reside in a video's VERTICAL BLANKING INTERVAL on LINE 21. ALL DVD recorders should record this data unchanged (I believe that it is a legal requirement - like the real requirement that all TVs sold in the USA have a built in CC decoder).

AFAIK, there is no DVD player the actually decodes the LINE 21 USER DATA and displays it as a subtitle, but it is possible.

[handyguy]

Im deaf too, only Apex stuff doesn't display captions, odd thing is they are the only ones that mention captions in their setup display too.

Even if you don't get captions you can try for subtitles.

[Swordzman]

I've got a problem that has me pulling my hair out.

I'm trying to hook up a new DVD recorder for a friend who needs closed captioning.

Because the TV doesn't have the inputs, I have connected the DVD unit to the VCR.

(The DVD recorder is an Ilo DVDR004 and the VCR is a Sharp.)

The TV supports CC just fine.

The VCR supports CC, records and passes them to the TV.

The DVD recorder passes no captioning on to the TV (via the VCR). It does, however, record them onto DVD, so there appears to be no question that the DVD unit's tuner supports CC. (The DVD recorder has no control for CC nor does the manual mention it).

I know the captions are recorded because they're there when I play a recorded disk back on my laptop.

I have also tried recording from the DVD unit to the VCR. No captions.

This seems so darned elementary that I'm a little embarassed to even ask the question, but does anyone here have any idea what I'm missing? This should work, shouldn't it?

Swordzman