Recorder that can record true DD 5.1

[bacardi/avt]

I have been looking around for a DVD recorder to buy but I can not find any that can do DD 5.1 recordings. So I wonder if anyone here have seen a machine that can do that.

[TBoneit]

I suspect not available for several reasons. One of which the fact they'd have to go to custom electronics instead of off the shelf encoder chips.

Very Low demand. How many people have 5.1 sources compared to stereo?

Licensing fees? Not real sure about 2ch AC3 vs 5.1.

However if you do find one let us know here.

Thanks

[thevoelk]

I think I remember Phillips announcing a model that can record 5.1. I think it was a 715 or something like that. The cost was a little over $600 at the time. I didn't et a chance to read it thoroughly, so I didn't see if it was real 5.1 or something similar to the 5.1 Vegas will output.

[Noahtuck]

Yep, there were a few if i remember correctly and they would record in true 5.1,
http://www.smr-home-theatre.org/ces2003/sources/page_02.shtml

I remeber reading awhile back that one was going to be released for about $1000.00, but i also remember reading somewhere they were not released in the U.S. bit i have no hard facts of them.
I remember seeing one acouple of years ago though and was drooling waiting for them to come down in price but have not really heard anything else again about them.

[edDV]

so I didn't see if it was real 5.1 or something similar to the 5.1 Vegas will output.

What is wrong with Vegas (actually DVD Author's) 5.1 output?

I've only done one test (a poor man's Foley stage) but 6 audios in produces 5.1 out here.

If you are talking about copying an existing 5.1, it won't do that without a decode and recode.

[thevoelk]

There's nothing wrong with Vegas's 5.1 output. What I meant that true 5.1 requires 6 separate channels and special hardware (that's about the extent I know), and your cable/satellite box might not recieve it, and your VCr on analog output as a source is not going to provide that, if I remember correctly. You can take an MP3 and render it as a 5.1 sound in Vegas (I've done it just to see how it sounds). It will be picked up as 5.1 by authoring programs and your player (I do it all the time), but it's not "true" 5.1.

Don't get me wrong, I love the output I get in Vegas's 5.1 sound. To me, it sounds better than the 2.0, in most cases. The only gripe I have about Vegas is that it can't re-import that ac3 file it outputs.

[edDV]

There's nothing wrong with Vegas's 5.1 output. What I meant that true 5.1 requires 6 separate channels and special hardware (that's about the extent I know), and your cable/satellite box might not recieve it, and your VCr on analog output as a source is not going to provide that, if I remember correctly. You can take an MP3 and render it as a 5.1 sound in Vegas (I've done it just to see how it sounds). It will be picked up as 5.1 by authoring programs and your player (I do it all the time), but it's not "true" 5.1.

Don't get me wrong, I love the output I get in Vegas's 5.1 sound. To me, it sounds better than the 2.0, in most cases. The only gripe I have about Vegas is that it can't re-import that ac3 file it outputs.

It handles audio production well. The blocks are there to make copying difficult.

Creation is always more fun than duplication. Ahh, my new signature.

[thevoelk]

You're right. But you'd think that Sony would have added some sort of signature to the file to allow it to recognize it's own output files. And I know there is little point to adding 5.1 to home movies, but some amatuer/indie filmmaker would probably love to have that feature.

[edDV]

... But you'd think that Sony would have added some sort of signature to the file to allow it to recognize it's own output files.

You would think.

[TBoneit]

There's nothing wrong with Vegas's 5.1 output. What I meant that true 5.1 requires 6 separate channels and special hardware (that's about the extent I know), and your cable/satellite box might not recieve it, and your VCr on analog output as a source is not going to provide that, if I remember correctly. You can take an MP3 and render it as a 5.1 sound in Vegas (I've done it just to see how it sounds). It will be picked up as 5.1 by authoring programs and your player (I do it all the time), but it's not "true" 5.1.

Don't get me wrong, I love the output I get in Vegas's 5.1 sound. To me, it sounds better than the 2.0, in most cases. The only gripe I have about Vegas is that it can't re-import that ac3 file it outputs.

For a true 5.1 recorder to be of use to me it should accept optical/coax input of the sound track. For example My cheap Home theatre in a box uses optical. I use it as a video switcher too. Anyway some of the Premium movie channels are available in Dolby 5.1. I believe Both Dishnetwork and DirecTv her in the USA do some premium feeds in 5.1. I remember the bullets whizzing past my head in Band of Brothers.

Anyway to me being able to feed in a optical 5.1 would avoid needing a decoder to break out the 6 channels, as well as avoiding any degradation from digital to analog and back to digital. It'd be a limited amount of buyers that have all the hardware to do 6 lines in from a live recording IMHO. So they'll be a niche product and expensive for a while.

Cheers

[bacardi/avt]

thanx 4 the info.

too bad there is no recorder that can record straight from an digital input in DD5.1 since more and more programs are broadcasted in that format here in Sweden.