END of the Honda NSX

[hech54]

... it is a blurred line who is who ...

Good line - pretty much sums things up...


Oh... I owned a Chevette once... Therefore all American cars are crap...

:P

My aunt went from a small V8 Chevy Malibu to one of the first Ford Escorts ever made (in America)....she said she would never buy a Ford again because they were too slow....

[BJ_M]

hech54 - a lot of the problems with vw's in the usa may be because where they are made .... i'm just guessing , as the ones i owned were fine for the most part (a gti i had went through spark plugs like butter and the clutch self destructed at only 30,00km) .. I know several people with A6's also and they love them .. but i know a lot of people with TT's and hate them and have had lots of problems (several web sites just onthat models problems) and the VW SUV has been really an issue for reliability - as in bad..

There are so many D jetta's here in canada it is not funny... very popular model ..

[rallynavvie]

My dad had a Rabbit once upon a time and that thing had 260k miles on it before it went to the junkyard. My uncle still uses his old Subaru GL wagon for going out camping/kayaking and it has over 300k miles on it and still going. I had a 1G DSM (first generation Eclipse) with 176k miles on it on the first engine that was pushing 300hp with a 16G turbo and that was still going strong as ever when I sold it. These are all good examples of how well these cars last.

I like the diesel VWs. If I were ever to buy a FWD car for daily driving it would be one of those. I just can't get out of driving AWD cars, just too much experience with their capabilities and I honestly don't consider FWD cars to be "performance" cars. Yeah there are some great FWD cars like the Neon SRT-4, Honda/Acura ITR, and the Celica GT-S, but given the dynamics of acceleration RWD and AWD cars perform the best.

[shelbyGT]

my mazda 6s pwns you all.











haha, i laugh at me.

[jackal70058]

I don't care what anyone says. I'll never get Toyota. My fiance has the Honda Civic she wants to sell it. She wants Mazda instead, now owned by the Ford Motor Company. She test drive each one, she sees the difference.

Every time I get on the Interstate it is a Toyota in front slowing down the line. Can't get over 60 with them things. The "performace cars" people make out with them is just a few minor adjustment for the engine and exhaust system modification. The thing basically a tin can on wheels so It will fly if you modify engine.


My car? A 1989 Ford Crown Victoria. Fancy? No. It's old, and needs a little work. But never a major problem. 150,000+ miles. Replaced water pump 2 years back, alternator 3 years back. Had an issue with gas gague (thanks, sHell) Engine never modified or rebuilt, is same condition as it from new until now. After 15 years, it still goes 95+ MPH (don't try that). It need some work, a leaky seal, a stuk power door, and body paint began fading this year. But for 15 years it has been the mos reliable vehicle I know. (A/C Retrofit will not put hole through Ozone Layer.)

My grandfather had his 1950 Ford truck for years. Bed rusting from dumping in salt water for launching boat, but a damn good engine. Sold it a few years back, it's still running as he sees in on Veteran's Highway.

I know about VW. My parents had one in the 80s. They tell you, worst car ever. Never had to change radiators so much. Speedometer goes out. Twice. Then the gas gauge. Sunroof leaks so much and now a moldy smell in car.

BMW, Mercedes are probly nice. Expensive though, and I hear getting parts more difficult. Won't have it, though drove a Mercedes in the UK. (Extremely difficult with the steering wheel thing)

I could buy a Toyota tommorrow. They are so cheap. But I wouldn't get caught ded in thing, and there has the saying "you get what you pay for.."Funny Steel Mills workers don't drive it. I guess the tell a solid built car from a Coke can on wheels.

I don't really have thing against the People of Japan. I've been there and they make humungous city. Though I don't care much for animight, there has some interesting stuff there. Can't forget about Pearl Harbor, though.

I do buy Japan products. I have Panasonic and Sony. I sell the products every day in the store. If I didn't believe these products, I would only push the Philips. I am open about the Asian products. We actually have some from Korea. Have you heard about Samsung and LG? I help customer every day with these product. I even have some myself. But there has to draw the line somewhere.

I didn't try to make anyone mad. Just no go try to change my ways.

[SquirrelDip]

@jackal70058 : One of the funniest posts I've ever read on this site! Never knew you were such a commedian - I think I popped a stitch!

[smearbrick1]

I could buy a Toyota tommorrow. They are so cheap. But I wouldn't get caught ded in thing, and there has the saying "you get what you pay for.."Funny Steel Mills workers don't drive it. I guess the tell a solid built car from a Coke can on wheels.

I don't really have thing against the People of Japan. I've been there and they make humungous city. Though I don't care much for animight, there has some interesting stuff there. Can't forget about Pearl Harbor, though.

I do buy Japan products. I have Panasonic and Sony. I sell the products every day in the store. If I didn't believe these products, I would only push the Philips. I am open about the Asian products. We actually have some from Korea. Have you heard about Samsung and LG? I help customer every day with these product. I even have some myself. But there has to draw the line somewhere.

I didn't try to make anyone mad. Just no go try to change my ways.

Ok, I followed you through the car talk, but totally lost you when you got the Pearl Harbor comment. After that, it was a wash.

my mazda 6s pwns you all.

As does mine.

[SquirrelDip]

Pearl Harbor... Crap I read past that one!!! Man, there goes another stitch!!!

Probably won't buy German 'cuz of that Hitler dude...

The red coats are coming, the red coats are coming! - ****! So much for Jag...

<okay, I'll crawl back under my rock...>

[jackal70058]

I've had enough of this. I made my point and that's it.

After this, I can see how the companys stay in business after making the crap that they do. You can sucker anyone to buy something, I know with some people that easy to do.

I not opening this one again, you can ram the obnoxious comment up your ass.

[BJ_M]

@jackal70058 : One of the funniest posts I've ever read on this site! Never knew you were such a commedian - I think I popped a stitch!

i fell off my car laughing so hard ....

anyway isnt the crown vic made in mexico anyway ?

[SquirrelDip]

My sister had a 1982 Mustang 4 cyl... Therefore ALL Fords are crap!



edit: Ever driven a Pinto??? Yep, dem dare Fords are crap!

[rhegedus]

Fear yea not petrosexuals, Lexus is bringing out an IS500:

[MOVIEGEEK]

I think jackel is eating too much cajun food,I've owned cars from all three American(sic) companies and by far my Ford's had the most problems.

BTW...Acuras were the most stolen cars in America for 2004.
www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/07/19/most_stolen/

[shelbyGT]

I have owned a VW, honda accord and a mazda (before Ford bought control of it). My current car, a new Mazda 6S is the first quasi-american I've owned. (I'm not really counting the Mustang in here, as it's still a work in progress, but I guess I do own a pure-bred US car). Never had any major problems outside of routine maintenance/aging.

[BJ_M]

Integra are stolen a lot because streetracers blow so many engines

[hech54]

I freaking LOVED my Ford F150 4x4....but the rest of my cars have been VW and Toyota. Had a 1980 Ford Fiesta that I loved too but....lord only knows where that car's heart lies....it had an English Kent engine and looked amazingly like the VW Polo that was made at the same exact time....though America never got the Polo....I still think America DID get a Polo...called it a Ford Fiesta - The World Car...
Here's a cool car for you import fans:

[rallynavvie]

Keep in mind also that Toyota is planning to go to all hybrid cars (I think their truck line is staying the same) by 2009 or something. Hybrids and alternative-fuel vehicles are the future, and it takes guts to do be the first to take that step. I give Toyota a lot of respect for that.

Meanwhile if anyone wants a turbocharged Impreza 2.5RS I've got one for sale, or am I gonna get in trouble for advertising


Getting one of these instead:

[budz]

Integra are stolen a lot because streetracers blow so many engines

Acura Integras, Toyota Camry & trucks, Honda Accords & Civics are the most stolen vehicles in Honolulu, Hawaii. Next in line are the Dodge trucks, Toyota & Chrysler Vans.

I don't care what anyone says. I'll never get Toyota. My fiance has the Honda Civic she wants to sell it. She wants Mazda instead, now owned by the Ford Motor Company. She test drive each one, she sees the difference.

Every time I get on the Interstate it is a Toyota in front slowing down the line. Can't get over 60 with them things. The "performace cars" people make out with them is just a few minor adjustment for the engine and exhaust system modification. The thing basically a tin can on wheels so It will fly if you modify engine.


My car? A 1989 Ford Crown Victoria. Fancy? No. It's old, and needs a little work. But never a major problem. 150,000+ miles. Replaced water pump 2 years back, alternator 3 years back. Had an issue with gas gague (thanks, sHell) Engine never modified or rebuilt, is same condition as it from new until now. After 15 years, it still goes 95+ MPH (don't try that). It need some work, a leaky seal, a stuk power door, and body paint began fading this year. But for 15 years it has been the mos reliable vehicle I know. (A/C Retrofit will not put hole through Ozone Layer.)

My grandfather had his 1950 Ford truck for years. Bed rusting from dumping in salt water for launching boat, but a damn good engine. Sold it a few years back, it's still running as he sees in on Veteran's Highway.

I know about VW. My parents had one in the 80s. They tell you, worst car ever. Never had to change radiators so much. Speedometer goes out. Twice. Then the gas gauge. Sunroof leaks so much and now a moldy smell in car.

BMW, Mercedes are probly nice. Expensive though, and I hear getting parts more difficult. Won't have it, though drove a Mercedes in the UK. (Extremely difficult with the steering wheel thing)

I could buy a Toyota tommorrow. They are so cheap. But I wouldn't get caught ded in thing, and there has the saying "you get what you pay for.."Funny Steel Mills workers don't drive it. I guess the tell a solid built car from a Coke can on wheels.

I don't really have thing against the People of Japan. I've been there and they make humungous city. Though I don't care much for animight, there has some interesting stuff there. Can't forget about Pearl Harbor, though.

I do buy Japan products. I have Panasonic and Sony. I sell the products every day in the store. If I didn't believe these products, I would only push the Philips. I am open about the Asian products. We actually have some from Korea. Have you heard about Samsung and LG? I help customer every day with these product. I even have some myself. But there has to draw the line somewhere.

I didn't try to make anyone mad. Just no go try to change my ways.

Boy you have no clue about Pearl Harbor and what went on during World War II. Using the term JAP whether or not it's in a internet forum site is outright offensive. You have no clue what WWII did to the AMERICAN JAPANESE in the USA. You say you can't forget Pearl Harbor but it seems to me you don't understand or have knowledge what the JAPANESE AMERICAN's had to deal with during the war and the aftermath of Pearl Harbor.

Let me enlighten you......The AMERICAN JAPANESE in the United States during WWII were taken from their homes on suspision that they had ties to the Japan government even though they were born AMERICAN CITIZENS. They were put into internment camps on the west coast, midwest and even here in Honolulu, Hawaii.....Their homes, businesses and property were confiscated by the government....During the WWII era the term JAPS was used as a slang for Japanese.....Therefore I find it offensive that you use the term so free and willingly....Upon being released from those internment camps the government did not return those homes, businesses and properties back to the American Japanese....The US GOVERNMENT apologized to the AMERICAN JAPANESE that were interned at camps and a formal apology was made and restitution were given to those who were put in those internment camps....Nothing can replace the humiliation and suffering of those who were sent to those internment camps....

jackal70058 going to Japan doesn't support you using the term JAP. I am not trying to change your mind or to steer you one way or another on how you feel about Japanese manufactured cars. You're entitled to your own opinions just like everyone else.

Sorry for going off topic but I feel offended when the term JAP was used. All I wanted was to enlighten jackal70058 to not use the term so freely.

[rhegedus]

Keep in mind also that Toyota is planning to go to all hybrid cars (I think their truck line is staying the same) by 2009 or something. Hybrids and alternative-fuel vehicles are the future, and it takes guts to do be the first to take that step. I give Toyota a lot of respect for that.

Meanwhile if anyone wants a turbocharged Impreza 2.5RS I've got one for sale, or am I gonna get in trouble for advertising


Getting one of these instead:

Have you seen any reviews of these head-to-head?

I've got a few Top Gear episodes on TV that I'll try and dig out.

[thecoalman]

Integra are stolen a lot because streetracers blow so many engines

Acura Integras, Toyota Camry & trucks, Honda Accords & Civics are the most stolen vehicles in Honolulu, Hawaii. Next in line are the Dodge trucks, Toyota & Chrysler Vans.

I'd imagine "stealability" would have a lot to do with what is stolen as well.

[budz]

Integra are stolen a lot because streetracers blow so many engines

Acura Integras, Toyota Camry & trucks, Honda Accords & Civics are the most stolen vehicles in Honolulu, Hawaii. Next in line are the Dodge trucks, Toyota & Chrysler Vans.

I'd imagine "stealability" would have a lot to do with what is stolen as well.

All they do is pop the door lock with a screwdriver or bust a window and steal it but then again we've had 2 bozo of the year awards so far this year. 2 separate incidents where a Honda Accord & Toyota Tundra truck were stolen along with their infants in the back seats. Both of these incidents the parent left the infants in the car with the keys in the car with the engine running and the A/C as well. The Honda incident there were people who followed and gave chase along with the police and he was caught. He told the police he didn't know there was a infant in the car.

The Toyota Tundra truck incident the mother ran into a 7-11 to get some food and left her 5 month old infant in the truck. Same scenario the keys were left in the truck with the engine running and A/C on. The guy went into the truck and drove off with the mother screaming for her child. The guy only then realized there was a infant in the backseat of the truck. A amber alert was sent out island wide. The guy ditched the truck in a church parking lot. A DHL delivery dude recognized the truck after getting a text msg from his office regarding the amber alert. He approached the truck, the license plate matched the text msg and he took the baby out of the truck and contacted the police.

Bozo awards to those parents and luckily in both cases the infants were not harmed or injured.

[rallynavvie]

Have you seen any reviews of these head-to-head?
I've got a few Top Gear episodes on TV that I'll try and dig out.

Well keep in mind that the USDM versions are different from the ones you get in the UK. You've had the Impreza Turbo available there for years, we just finally got the WRX in 2002. Our version of the STi has a 2.5 liter turbo plant in it though whereas the rest of the world has the 2.0 liter STi plant IIRC. I've seen comparisons between the USDM STi and Evo 8 and they're very evenly matched. The Evo 8 has 276hp and the STi has 300hp, but the Evo handles better because it's lighter. The Evo 9 has Mitsu's version of variable valve timing (MIVEC) which broadens the torque band of the engine and bumps power up to 286bhp. I'm getting the RS version of the Evo so it won't have power windows/locks, no stereo, stripped down interior, but it's faster than the other Evos because it weighs less. And it doesn't have that gaudy wing on the back. I'm all about sleeper cars.

And you can't really compare it to my 2.5RS. They were only available in North America and had a 2.5 liter plant with a high compression ratio and no turbo. Add turbo and you have a torquey, fast car able to compete with the WRXs available here. It a very unique car though, one of the longest-lasting turbocharged versions of its trim in the US because it was built and tuned properly unlike many of the others which suffered blown engines 8)

[rhegedus]

There's a new 400bhp EVO out........

Mitsubishi Evolution VIII FQ-400

Just pm me if you want the clips

[MOVIEGEEK]

Acura Integras, Toyota Camry & trucks, Honda Accords & Civics are the most stolen vehicles in Honolulu, Hawaii. Next in line are the Dodge trucks, Toyota & Chrysler Vans.

I'd imagine "stealability" would have a lot to do with what is stolen as well.

You would have to be stupid to steal a car or truck in Hawaii because there's no where to hide...hello car thief:you're on an island.
On a side note:the last time I visited Oahu there were scores of rusted out cars next to the highway,I don't know if they were stolen but it made the island look like crap.

[SquirrelDip]

@MOVIEGEEK - I'd imagine they're largely stolen for parts...

[eag182]

People who say all american cars are crap are ignorant.

The only gm car made in korea is the chevy aveo, a piece of sh*t.

Apparently the cool thing to do is bash american cars, even though they don't deserve it.

this comes from JD Power and Associates:

General Motors: Award-Recognized Quality

This year, 28 models from General Motors brands rank among the top three in their respective segments, and GM plants receive Gold and Silver awards for highest initial quality in North/South America for three years running. The results of the J.D. Power and Associates 2004 Initial Quality StudySM (IQS), Vehicle Dependability StudySM (VDS), and Customer Service Index (CSI) StudySM demonstrate GM’s continuous improvement on vehicle quality, durability, manufacturing, and dealer service.

http://www.jdpower.com/special/powerreport/gm/

Another:

http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/29/Autos/jdpower_depend/

These articles are a dime a dozen

[SquirrelDip]

My comments above were in jest and a responce to jackal70058's comments.

IMO, in the compact market there are better options than what the American companies produce. These just happen to be the size of cars that I've owned and I have never owned an American product.

I have, however, driven countless American products and in the Midsize and up vehicles there are many good choices in cars (and trucks).

Point being that there's crap from all manufacturers and there's at least a few good from most.

[shelbyGT]

Nobody beats the classic American muscle. And I mean classic, not all the new stuff.
I'd still take a corvette any day over a Ferrari. Sure, the Ferrari gets a split second faster 0-60, but my pocketbook won't take as big a hit!

[SquirrelDip]

Nobody beats the classic American muscle. And I mean classic, not all the new stuff.
I'd still take a corvette any day over a Ferrari. Sure, the Ferrari gets a split second faster 0-60, but my pocketbook won't take as big a hit!

... And you can get them serviced anywhere.

I agree on the classic muscle - there's a real rush with those old big blocks.

I prefer the smaller sporty cars but if I had tons of cash then I'd love to have an American classic (same for bikes, prefer the crotch rockets but if I could afford two then I'd love to have a custom).

[rallynavvie]

I respect old classic muscle cars but I don't think they compare to Ferrari when put on a track. Ferraris weigh a lot less than the big old steel muscle cars. Weight is pretty much equal to power when considering a "performance" car. In fact weight is more important because it affects braking and cornering performance as well as acceleration whereas engine power only counts for acceleration on the track.

Not all performance is measured in a straight line