Batch Convert AVI/OGM/MKV to DVD (anime)

[trooper11]

ok maybe you can help me with this question too.

after following your guide and after making my normal cuts, and multiplexing the audio, i load it all into dvd lab pro for authoring.

but when i import the video, its always listed as having '2:3 pulldown' . I thought by using CCE, i wouldnt run into this agian becuase i always ran into the same thing using TMPGEnc. I always have to take each video file and run it through an app called 'DGPulldown' . After I do that and reload the video into dvd lab pro, its listed with the proper '3:2 pulldown' option.


did i miss something in your guide that should have done the 3:2 pulldown correctly during the encoding process? its just very annoying.

[aktee]

Hmm I don't understand why you want to encode with 3:2 Pulldown. What is your source framerate?
If it's 23.976, it should be 2:3 =\\..

[aktee]

--Can you try encoding manually with Quenc, but with audio on?
We'll try to use the built-in mp2 encoder in Quenc.

If you need help with that, reply i'll write a step-by-step. --

Yeah, I'd appreciate a step by step - I THINK I may have the correct options, but it's better to be safe than sorry.

Thanks for helping me out.

Hey !

Open Quenc
load the AVS
destination file...
Choose Mpeg 2
put your bitrate
Choose "Use VBR"
Choose High quality, if you want.. high quality, hahaha
Choose 2 pass encoding
Press on Advanced options

UNCHECK Extreme and slow
Gop Size: 12
Max B Frame: 2
DC Precision: 8. you can change this if you want, I normally do 10.
Check "Pulldown"
DVD Mux Profile: "DVD"
Audio codec: AC3


By the way, be sure that the AVS has SOUND in it. If it's an AVI, it should be okay.

[trooper11]

oh man, no wonder. i just hadnt heard of anyone refer to 2:3 pulldown as a result form the encoding.


well i guess running 3:2 doesnt affect it since the video still looks fine

but just in case, since i used the 3:2 pulldown app, is there anyway of reversing that to get back to 2:3?

[aktee]

haha to be honest, I'm not a pulldown master =)).
But, hmm, I wouldn't recommend you to pulldown a pulldowned video. Pulldown plays with frame order and speed, most programs aren't really made to pulldown pulldowned..

But hey, if 3:2 looks fine and works in your DVD player, just use it. It's just a frame order, hehe, i guess it all comes down to personal taste..

[trooper11]

well i wotn do it int he future, i just dont want to redo the work ive put into this dvd.

but that has always confused me. when i was using tmpgenc, i tried differnt encodes using 3:2 pulldown, inverse 3:2, and progressive. all would give me the same result as far as i could tell. of course all the guides i read say to use 3:2 with anime sources in 23.976, i just wonder what the real impact it has.

[aktee]

ahahaha =l.
There's no impact as far as I know. =|. I never noticed quality deterioration or anything.

[bronxxbomber]

thanks for such a wonderful guide. you've done a wonderful thing.

[aktee]

wohooo! yataaa! nice to know somebody did it without problems =\.

[trooper11]

ok have you tried this with naruto by chance?

in the past, ive always used tmpgenc and found that 590x420 resulted in a proper resize for the eps, but of course your guide says 660x440 whihc is a ratio of 1.5 versus the standard 4:3 ratio of 1.33.

now i didnt have problem when i was doing my dual audio anime, since no resizing is envolved, but now that i want to try this with naruto, id liek to knwo if youve used that size for naruto and the subs still showed up.

it seems strange to use a size greater then 4:3 in one direction (660), wouldnt that result in cut off picture on one side or another?

[trooper11]

actually after looking at the preview of that resize in tmpg, what your doing is just addigna bar at the top and bottom, but itll still result in some squishing right?

[trooper11]

oh and another thing, i noticed that after going through this for my last anime, whenver i loaded the resulting vidoe into dvd lab pro, it would warn me that the GOPs were not closed and that could hurt chapter use.

in your guide, you show that setting unchecked in CCE, should that box be checked or does it matter?

[trooper11]

sorry for all the questions lol, but i have one more

you mention using the 1-pass VBR method as being higher quality. with somehting like naruto, would the quality differnce between 1-pass and the regular method be noticible?

[aktee]

About the ratio thing>>
You are right, bahahahaha. But that's also why I made the batch modifiable, check out the header settings...

Also, about your question if it cuts out, just try it out in a media player. I don't understand what you mean by squishing =|

Abou the Closed Gops >>
Do you use chapters in naruto? =| I thought no one would be using that... so I left it unchecked. You are free to do it =)

about the 1-pass VBR>>
I prefer QBR (1-pass VBR) simply because it renders a smaller file.. In most short anime (26 episodes), I can easily fit 15 eps in 1 DVD, while having the same/higher quality than a 2-pass VBR...

Only way to know, is to test. .

[trooper11]

well the squshing i mean is about when viewing it on a dvd, does the image look fine to you when your done using that resize?

i dont use chapters in naruto, but when i have a dual audio anime, i usually do.

about QBR, if i just want to have 9 eps per disc, could you tell me the approximate setting i should try? i know i may need to fine tune it, but if you had a starting point, that would be helpful.

ive been confused about the whoel bitrate thing. i didnt realize that the bitrate ive been using of 2500 was horribly low. it sounds like to me QBR is the perfect compromise between using a lower bitrate to fit more episodes and a higher bitrate to preserve every last bit of quality.


have you done any testing to see if there is a significant increase in quality by raisng the bitrate into the 5000-6000 range?

[aktee]

when viewing on a DVD/TV, it all depends on the TV. On my 61", it's fine, it seems like it's more square..
On my little trinitron tho, it seems wider. =|.

and about the QBR thing, really, you need to test it =). It's so fast (25 mins!), you won't even bother testing it =))).
I usually start at 40. If I see there's too much space left, I scroll down to 30~.
usually, with 10 episodes of certain anime, I can go to 27 and have 100mb~ left, which is what I want =).

Yes, QBR is the perfect combination for us. .
But hey, 2500 is not low if the quality is okay with you. I'm at 2100~ and most of the I don't see any artifact or something..

Raising to 5000-6000 depends on the source. With anime I usually don't see any big diff. Doesn't worth the size.
With hollywood different, it's different.

It all comes down to testing. =).

[trooper11]

yeah thats what i was thinking, anime behaves a whole lot different then TV or movies during encoding, they seem to handle lower bitrates much better, ill give that a try as you suggest

[trooper11]

ok so for one pass, would i change the minimum bitrate to something like 500?

[aktee]

If you want to. You will get smaller size like that (like 1-2mb less, hmm)
I put 2000 as minimum since my DVD player don't accept anything below 1969kbps.

=)

[trooper11]

im having a problem

i set up a test folder with just one video, but i did the rest of the guide as normal except for making a new template with the one pass settings

well then i ran the batch file for that particular video and it starts up and gets into CCE to start encoding,b ut after a few seconds it just closes and all it outputs is a 3mb file.

is there any log file that will show me why it closed like that? i keep checking my avs and batch file, but i cant see what is wrong.

[aktee]

checked my AVS =>
With notepad or with Media player? Please check again.

Also, try to rename your file to something simpler..

[trooper11]

i checked it with notepad

and i use the episode number only as the filename, same as what i did for the full batch encode using multipass

[aktee]

Copy the AVS Content here
and please check it with Media Player as advised in the guide.

[trooper11]

well i took the old batchconvert file i made for my other convertion and only changed the template name for CCE and even that didnt work.

i did try the avs file in MPC and it looked fine

here is my avs content:


AVISource("H:\Naruto\naruto_dvd\test\130.avi")
Lanczos4Resize(660,440)
AddBorders(30,20,30,20)
ConvertToYUY2()

[aktee]

open \encodedvideo\batch\batch_for_130.bat
with notepad
Copy the content and paste here

and add:
Pause

at the end, and save it.
Try it again..

[trooper11]

well i guess that pause worked, all i did was add that word to the batch file and now it has no problems lol.

i dont know why, but i wont question success

[aktee]

hmm, using pause was just to see what was the problem =|.

don't use it often, it'll kill the main purpose of the batch (which is automation).

[trooper11]

ok this is very annoying....

like i said, when i added puase it worked. it compelted fine, but the file size was small enough that i wanted to try a lower Q rating and try to match the filesize of the 5 pass videos i did.

so i go back and change the template, just changing the Q rate and then saving that.

i then went back to the batch_for_130.bat and ran it, but it doesnt work again! with or without the pause word it never lasts more then a couple seconds.

what is so frustrating is that i didnt change anything but the template and it still has the same name.

could there be somehting that prevents using the same batch twice or something?

[trooper11]

oh here is my batch file details. now i always remove the audio lines becuase this is video only

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"H:\dvd_tools\ccefront10rc3\ccefront.exe" -t

"narutoOPVTest"

"H:\Naruto\naruto_dvd\test\EncodedVideo\130.avs" -batch
MOVE

"H:\Naruto\naruto_dvd\test\EncodedVideo\batch\130.m pv"

"H:\Naruto\naruto_dvd\test\EncodedVideo"
REN "H:\Naruto\naruto_dvd\test\EncodedVideo\130.mpv"

"130.m2v"
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\pulldown\pulldown.exe"

"H:\Naruto\naruto_dvd\test\EncodedVideo\130.m2v"

"H:\Naruto\naruto_dvd\test\EncodedVideo\encoded130. m2v"

-run -exit
Pause

[kodaikun]

Ok, after trying and trying, and giving a few days as a step-away - I'm back with the same encoding problem for my Bleach 41-46 episodes - Which has me baffled. I can convert the video fine, it's besweet that is failing, but not posting any errors. I tried the GUI edition, but I don't know what's what in there, so I'm just trying to figure this out. I may see something - have a look. I edited some of this out, to make the post shorter.

BeSweet v1.5b26 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using VOBInput.dll v1.3 by DVD2SVCD (http://www.dvd2svcd.org)
Using hip.dll v1.19 by Myers Carpenter
Using Ogg Vorbis v1.0 dlls (http://www.vorbis.com).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.24 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using MP2enc.dll v1.129 (23/5/2002), Engine 1.129 .

Logging start : 10/30/05 , 17:00:45.

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : c:\avisource\bleach49.avi
[00:00:00:000] | Output: c:\avisource\bleach49.mp2
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | A/V Delay found : 0msec
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +------- MP2ENC ------
[00:00:00:000] | Bitrate method : CBR
[00:00:00:000] | MP2 bitrate : 192
[00:00:00:000] | Channels Mode : Stereo
[00:00:00:000] | Error Protection: No
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------

This one, 49, worked ok, I just quit it once I saw it transcoding -

BeSweet v1.5b26 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using VOBInput.dll v1.3 by DVD2SVCD (http://www.dvd2svcd.org)
Using hip.dll v1.19 by Myers Carpenter
Using Ogg Vorbis v1.0 dlls (http://www.vorbis.com).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.24 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using MP2enc.dll v1.129 (23/5/2002), Engine 1.129 .

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : c:\avisource\bleach46.avi
[00:00:00:000] | Output: c:\avisource\bleach46.mp2
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | A/V Delay found : 0msec
[00:00:00:000] +------ Shibatch -----
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 11.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] | Dest. Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] | Attenuation : 0.0db
[00:00:00:000] +------- MP2ENC ------
[00:00:00:000] | Bitrate method : CBR
[00:00:00:000] | MP2 bitrate : 192
[00:00:00:000] | Channels Mode : Stereo
[00:00:00:000] | Error Protection: No
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------

Notice the shibatch section on this one? Could this be the culprit? The source sample rate should be 48.0khz, just as 49 was, but for some reason, it's reading it as 11.0khz????? Mediainfo shows both files as being the same. 48.0khz.

If this IS a lead, where do I go now? LOL!