This is my second post on this film and hopefully this time it will stir up a responce.
I've got 2 Points make.
POINT 1
OK, i've just picked up a copy of it(on the cheap)Brand New and factory sealed Region 2 DVD.
Now i also own the Special Edition on VHS/PAL as well and having compared the the 2 of them i find that there was still one scene that was not included in the DVD version of the film, while there where 3 scene's that where not included in the VHS/PAL version of it.
Here are the scene's in Question in no particular order
Scene 1
The ship that is in the desert/ appears in both DVD and VHS
Scene 2
THe Bath/Shower Scene where He's sitting in it/ appears in Both DVD and VHS
Scene 3
Where all the people are sitting around the table with the
military people and he shows them a picture of a UFO/ appears in the DVD only
Scene 4
Where the mother of the little boy that is taken away by the aliens is getting interviewed that also has Richard Dreyfuss in it as well/ appears only in the DVD
Scene 5
Where Richard Dreyfuss character starts pulling up all the plants and fencing outside his house and starts to throw into his house through the window/ appears in DVD only
Scene 6
The inside of the Mothership at the end of the film/ appears in VHS only,(this one should have been put into the DVD as well).
Now there are 11 deleted scenes on disk 2 of the DVD and the inside of the mothership is one of them.
The region 2 DVD version of it lasts for 131 minutes and looking at the Region 1 version it lasts for 137 minutes which means that it must have more the 11 deleted scenes included in the film.
So does anyone own the Region 1 copy of it and if so, could you tell me if there are any different scene's in your version to the Region 2 copy.
POINT 2
I think it's about time that all the films companies\directors etc started relasing there films with every deleted scene put back into the film.
Wither or not they think that it doe's not belong in the film.
Instead of releasing them as extras or bounus material on a second disc.
After all it's a DVD, you pay enough for them and you should at least have a film with all deleted scenes put back into it.
Just wondering what your thoughts on POINT 2 is, or am i the only one that feels this way, also if you can help with point 1 that would be most welcomed.
Thanks
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On point 2 that is an almost impossible task... Take the film nine and a half weeks
This originally had over 12 hours of film footage. This has to be chopped down into something more edible. Where the real bone of contention lies, is at to whose version of the film (i.e director or otherwise) gets released. Ultimately greedy corporations will milk products dry. I'ts a sheer wonder that Spielberg has kept E.T. from becoming a franchise..
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They should have the option where you can play the movie with or without the deleted scenes added in, surely it wouldnt be too hard using some sort of chaptering system
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Ok OK OK,
12 hours would be a bloody miracle if they included all of it
But Nine and a Half weeks is a piece of crap anyway, the only good thing about it is Kim Basinger.
There are some films that has the option to play either the Normal version or the Special version with all the deleted scenes included, 2 that i can think of are INDEPENDENCE DAY and X-MEN.
Then there's TERMINATOR 2 ULITAMTE EDITION that has it all put back into the film (except for 2 scenes) and released as a Special Version only.
When you add all the deleted scenes together from Close Encounter's and then add them to the films time, it comes to 154 mins 41 secs which is not that much.
So they could have included them into the film.
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Yeah what your saying is true, but its all down to marketing. There were almost certainly many many hours of stock footage from CEOTTK. Someone makes the decision as to what goes into the final cut. This may or may not represent the directors final vision. Apocalypse Now is an excellent example of this. The current version coming out is still far from what the director would like to see of it, and will hence be rereleased again at some point in the future, Just about any film ever made has hours and hours of unused footage. T2 is definately a marketing gimmick, and does not simply represent directorial dissatisfaction with a piece of his art work. In short we the customer will be screwed again and again if there is money in it.
p.s. Your right, Nine and A Half Weeks is crap!! LOL who'd want to sit through twelve hours of it.
p.p.s. Being an avid film collector (1,500 movies approx) I have come across one or two unofficially extended versions.
i) Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 - I have a version that was alledgedly stolen from FX director Tom Savanni's office. It shows some truly hilarious scenes that were never put into market circulation.
ii) I've not watched it and compared, but my test screener version of Apocalypse Now is different and one of only 20 copies..
iii) Don't know about foreign version of James Camerons 'The Abyss', but the rat drowning sequence was permanently ditched in the U.K. Chennel 4 accidently screened the wrong print when it first came out.
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I suppose it all does come down to marketing, i would say that the Film Studios have the final say.
I just checked The Abyss Special Edition UK edition and indeed the rat drowning scene was edited in such a way that you actually don't see it drowing.
I remember seeing the drowning of the rat scene but i don't think it was on Channel 4, i think it was in the UK VHS version of the Special Edition but i could be wrong.
Thats another one for our Amercian friends to clear up, does there version of the Abyss Special Edition actually show you the rat getting drowning in the Blue Breathing liquid.
While we're on the subject of The Abyss it is another one where you can either choose to play the Original Version or the Extended Special Edition(UK version that is).
Anyway i can always make a xVCD or Divx of the films and edit the scenes back into it in the proper place. -
Its a while since I last read it, but there is a U.K. horror magazine called "The Darkside". This had a section in it called "Choice Cuts", written I think by a Mr Brad Stevens. This guy was a total expert at dissecting the differing versions of movies(satellite, terrestrial, foreign, precertified etc) and looking at the reasons for various ommisions. I'm fairly certain he did a full issue devoted to Close Encounters, - I'll have to check my wardrobe. One other problem you get with movies, is the differing prints that distributors master their copies from. There is rarely just 1 international format. Notorious video nasty "Cannibal Holacaust" was rereleased in the U.K. on DVD with a mono soundtrack and missing at least five minutes. I have another version of this in Widescreen, stereo, fully uncut and copied off U.S.A. laserdisk. Censorship kills off certain scenes.
The Abyss has the rat scene trimmed down in later versions because of the uproar it caused with animal rights activists. The silly thing is that the rat was perfectly o.k.
Some complete prints of movies simply go missing. The Exorcists scene with the girl walking like a spider down the stairs is one. This is now in the current edition. The 1933 version of King Kong is still missing the legendary spider pit sequence. Fritz Langs "Metropolis" had been incomplete for years, until recently when a substantial amount of extra footage was found. Brian Depalma's movie Body Double, saw him wimp out at the last moment from making a hardcore commercial film. God only knows what was left on the cutting room floor! People should really look after the films more carefully.
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http://www.moviefreak.com/dvd/reviews/closeencofthirdkind.htm
That link gives one opinion as to why those scenes were previously missing.
It seems that editors feel that our attention spans need to be maintained. Contemporary films avoid lengthy dialogue in favour of rapid editing to maintain Our "MTV generation" interest in their movies. If you watch versions of Titanic, you'll notice that the modern film does not linger too long on individual pieces of dialogue. It seems that modern audiences get bored to easily. Thus scenes considered a bit more demanding, or extraneous to the central plot are trimmed.
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http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/latest.htm
A good link to look at for some of the reasons behind cuts... Also take note of the standard 4% running time difference between U.K. and U.S. videos.. -
K Thx for the links.
Having read the review done by The Reviewer, i have to disagree with him on at least the inside of the Mothership scene.
By not including it in the DVD release of the film i think that they have at least in my opinion ruined it.
Having watched both the Original and Special Edition on VHS and now the Special Edition on DVD i feel that they should have included the Mothership scene in the DVD release.
It adds to the film, giving you an ensight to what sort of a world that Richard Dryfuss and the other volounteers are going to. Also gives you a ensight to the size of the Mothership.
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lol if you want to see differences have a look at a region 4 DVD of anything that you have suggested.
3/4 of the time we do not get all of the featres that are put into r1 and r2 disks. I know it does not necesarrily mean deleted scenes, but all other features as well.
the reason they give for this is the amount of different sound tracks they put onto r4 disks. R4 was supposed to be Australia and South America, so i would assume we get English, Spanish and Portugese. But for some reason they insist on putting languages like French, Finnish, Swedish Danish, Norwegian, Greek, Italian. Shouldnt they be put on for whatever region is in Europe?
All i want is to get the same options!!!!
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It's not only the extras that R4 people can stinged on either, there are plenty of R4 DVD's that use crappier transfers of picture and crappier sound. I know what you mean by the extra's though. That is why I have held off buying a lot of movie titles all together or until they get rereleased as "special" editions where you actually get a decent amount of extra's.
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