JVC SVHS VCRs

[stanleyntl]

How do the JVC 9000 and 7000 series differ? excepting editting features - like LANC/JLIP/random assemble edit
E.G.HRS9500 vs HRS7600/HRS7700 (or 7722 in UK)
Are the tape transports of the same quality, and is the digipure, TBC/NR of identical quality?

I have a chance of a 2ndhand HRS7722, will this perform as well as a HRS9500 (improvements at all?)?


Darren

[lordsmurf]

The TBC has 2MB less RAM on 7000 series.

The 9500 is old, I don't like it, missing some filters.
How old is the 7722.

[stanleyntl]

The 7722 is from 2000 (7700 variant in UK), features SVHSET unlike earlier 7600. Seller assures me that it hasn't had much use - as long as its working, I can perform basic cleaning of mech.

What filters is 9500 missing? I do have this one but needs service overhaul, and was never 100% reliable.
Not many 9000 series available on ebay in UK, given that I would need a PAL model.

[lordsmurf]

I forget. Compare to what's shown here:
http://www.digitalfaq.com/dvdguides/capture/playback.htm

That's a 9800 menu setup.

The unit from 2000 should be fine, anything after about 1997 or so is the group I consider to be best, has most features. Earlier ones are better build, but they're all fine.

[stanleyntl]

The only filter the 7700 doesn't have is video stabiliser and possibly audio level control. No idea what superimpose does.
Video stabiliser is of questionable use e.g. BBC videos would bounce in my parents JVC HRS7860 (svhs deck 2001 model), but be fine in my 9500. That is the 9500 didn't need one, but the later cheaper deck did, and loses TBC/NR in doing so!

[lordsmurf]

I have the HR-S7965EK (yes, PAL) and it has everything. In fact, the TBC is a menu item, not a button.

[stanleyntl]

I did have a brief try of that model, but encountered picture dropout problems - it couldn't give a clean recording, guaranteed to dropout, no matter how I cleaned it inside!

It did have a very nice playback* for stuff I recorded on the 9500, despite not having 3R (or R3). So for transfer it might be okay, just don't record on it!
*Excellent clarity and vivid colours.

The dealer was unsympathetic, so I got a refund while the boss was on holiday!

I'm using a NOS HRS6700 (2000 model) currently, but without NR circuitry I need to upgrade really.

How come you're using a PAL model stateside? It can't record NTSC, can it?

[thecoalman]

No idea what superimpose does.

Turns the on-screen display over the video on and off.

[Cole]

I did have a brief try of that model, but encountered picture dropout problems - it couldn't give a clean recording, guaranteed to dropout, no matter how I cleaned it inside!

Isn't this to do with the tapes rather than the player? Recordings on my 7965 do have the odd drop out here and there, but I put that down to the magnetic medium.

With my pessimist hat on: I hope that this doesn't turn out to be a model fault!

Edit: Dropouts are not a huge issue as mainly used for playback of old/commercial VHS, but just a little concerned.

[stanleyntl]

When my 9500 was operational dropouts were few and far between, the current crop of JVC VCRs just aren't built as well.
I was experiencing misses, rippling, bad flecking, on every tape, including new ones on the 7965. Some picture anomalies would disappear if picture search back and forth over fault - despite having tensioned tape prior to recording!
Dealer thought flecking was acceptable!!!!
On the 9500 you could tape a whole film and be certain that there would be no dropout unless a worn tape was used.

My 6700 (despite no digipure), is a lot more reliable - dropout is minimal compared to 7965.

[gshelley61]

I've had a couple of 9500's. Great build quality, excellent picture and 4MB TBC/DNR. I think the R3 edge enhancer is the missing feature compared to later units like the 9600. I always shut that off anyway... it causes nasty edge artifacts.

The 9500 was the first 9000 series unit with the 4MB TBC/DNR and has been reported to be somewhat less reliable than the 9600 and 9800, although I think the build quality is actually better. Still the 9500's I've checked out ran fine and had very impressive picture quality.

[stanleyntl]

[quote="gshelley61" I think the R3 edge enhancer is the missing feature compared to later units like the 9600. I always shut that off anyway... it causes nasty edge artifacts.
[/quote]
Are you sure about R3, on the UK model it was there on the 9500, called 3R.
9500 doesn't have picture control or video stabiliser.

Cheers

Darren

[gshelley61]

Maybe, I don't exactly remember for sure. LS is right, though - there is some filter or circuit the 9600 and later units have that the 9500 doesn't. Maybe it was the stabilizer... I thought there was an "edit" mode on the 9500 as far as playback setting goes.

[BrainStorm69]

There is an "edit" setting for the 9500...and the stabilizer...and R3. What it is missing is the picture control settings of soft, normal and sharp.

[lordsmurf]

Picture control is important. That alone is why the lesser 3000-5000 units are still worthwhile.

[gshelley61]

So the 9500 can be set to "edit" or default to "normal". Got it. No "soft" or "sharp" setting.

[BrainStorm69]

@gshelley - correct.

[lordsmurf]

AUTO isn't the same as NORMAL necessarily either. I've never figured that one out, and AUTO tends to look best (and no, it's not an automatic selection of one of the other ones). It almost seems like a blend of a few of them.

[Wile_E]

In AUTO mode, I wonder if there are any variable steps in picture control. Does it automatically select just one setting for the entire tape, or continously monitor the tape, and adjust the sharpness? It looks like to me, AUTO always makes my tapes look soft, but it is less soft than the SOFT mode.

I've been testing my JVC 9911 with a resolution chart. SOFT mode really loses a lot of resolution. My test gave me less than 200 horizontal. I'll try to post some examples soon.

[lordsmurf]

To me, it's more of a grain reduction. It doesn't always soften.

[leffe]

Hello I borrow the tread. I need some experteese opinion of wich one I shall buy.

I have FINALLY found an audio/video retailer located in Sweden that are willing to order in an s-vhs jvc vcr to me
Im talking about PAL and i want JVC youst becourse of the TBC/NDR function, im gonna capture some old 1980s tapes.

JVC HR-5950 ~ 152$
JVC HR-7500 ~ 507$
JVC HR-8500 ~ 875$
JVC HR-8600 ~ 760$
JVC HR-9400 ~ 634$
JVC HR-S5972 ~ 253$
JVC HR-S7960 ~ 465$

I dont care about showview and programmiable recordings and such i youst want to get an smooth playback.
Price is kind of a matter but not the biggest deal.

EDIT:
lets say IF a friend of me went to USA on wakation and bought me an NTSC version and i got an ntsc/pal adapter will it give me pure pal or pal60feed?
This is youst an extreeme scenario if all the vcr i have listed above isnt good, my friend only visits his relatives 1-2 each year. And if I would order my self the shipping would cost much.

JVC is THE Best VCR within a affordable pricerange? Becourse of the TBC/NDR function right?

[stanleyntl]

Do you have a web address for this dealer? Would be handy for me here in the UK.

[djnice]

The JVC HS-S6965 S-VHS VCR has a TBC and/or DNR?

[stanleyntl]

Only the 7965 and 8965 of the current european jvc's has TBC & NR, plus hard disk and DV models I believe (where they have SVHS drive).