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Nobody ever got fired from FOX News for 'misrepresenting the facts', as I recall . . . (Ahem! Dan Rather's story on Bush [CBS] . . . ) [wink!]
Bottom line here, and not to turn this into political psycho-babble (oops! - too late!), is that PBS was once a mainstay in many households for science, children and adult edcucational programming, no question about it. I will miss some of the music & arts performances myself, but outside of these types of shows there is no counterpoint to shows such as The Tavis Smiley Show or Charlie Rose, who only see a single point of view. It's their way or you are crazy, blah blah blah . . .
I didn't mention anything about any other network(s) in my previous post, so for those of you to take to bashing other networks from my statements, is akin to looking into a crystall ball - only you can explain that motive to the rest of us. That America is being shown as an uneducated nation stems from folks who leap to such conclusions, rather than reading the full text and understanding its context (well, that and my disdain for a good spelling checker!!!).
Speaking as a New Yorker who grew up on the old PBS programming, it's a genuine shame to see it in such disrepair, compared to a once less-tarnished incarnation. Public TV as funded by 'we the people' should be at the very least politicaly neutral, or it should not be funded at all - we have all sorts of networks for the kinds of programs the politically sensitive can choose from, it does not belong on public airwaves.
Agree or disagree as you wish, but I've grown up watching PBS - most of you may not have had 40+ years of PBS, but I remember it fondly . . .
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PBS should get out of news/politics completely and concentrate on good programming. There is no reason for them to even bother. The country is so divided nothing they do news wise or political will ever get a fair shake so they should just drop it.
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I just like Sesame Street too much to see it go.
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I love the old Broadway performances - I recall seeing 'Sweeney Todd' aired live from Broadway and I just had to get tickets for the live show. There's still good programming on PBS, and there's no reasn for that to go away. As has been stated here before, politics has no place on PBS, they should stick to educational, informational and arts programming, which is what they've always done better than most other stations/networks in the first place.
"I've got a present for ya!" - TTWC
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I agree with the no politics on PBS, but everything is politicized these days. Very sad, actually.
And I saw SS on ice when I was little, the cookie monster scared me by throwing creme pies down my aisle.
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Truly, but I suspect there'd be complaints regardless. For example: Teletubbies as moral issue. The politicization of the Global Warming debate. (How can Nova cover THAT to everyone's satisfaction?)Originally Posted by CaptainVideo
Everybody's got a gripe, makes me hate humanity sometimes.
Pull! Bang! Darn!
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Fox is probably the most balanced news I've seen. I think a lot of other news organizations hate Fox because it exposes their "news" as nothing more than propaganda.Originally Posted by rkr1958
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Fox is probably the most balanced news I've seen.
you don't watch or read much news - FOX is not news, it is entertainment
balance and news and fox do not belong in the same conversation .."Each problem that I solved became a rule which served afterwards to solve other problems." - Rene Descartes (1596-1650)
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There's only one side to issues?! I guess I've wasted all my time learning to think for myself ... wait a minute ... I've also wasted all that money going to school, college, etc. ...Originally Posted by lordsmurf
I guess I should let the people who know better, who know everything, to tell me what side of all issues is the correct side ...
Please let me know, all-knowing-ones what is the correct position to hold on the important issues. What a second, you first need to tell me what are the important issues then what I should believe.
How could I've been so blind to actually believe that I was smart enough to think for myself and form my own beliefs and opinions.
Silly me ... I see the light now.
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I enjoy PBS but I believe in the free market system...sink or swim,if a business isn't making it because of mismanagement then I don't want my tax money bailing it out(read:airlines).
If PBS needs money they should look to the corporations or donors.
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hmmm, rather presumptuous, woudn't you say?Originally Posted by BJ_M
but it's true, I don't really watch much news anymore, I got sick of the crap most news organizations were trying to feed me.
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The PBS Series "Frontline" is great. There's nothing like it on US Television.
Over 50 episodes in streaming format at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/view/
"Austin City Limits" is great.
All this stuff is broadcast in HD 1080i
$100M is less than 1 day of Quagmire Operations
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I would like to respond to this thread, but the last time I mentioned politics, I got scolded. What are the rules here? Is it okay to write something in the News section about politics? I can't remember, but I thought that was where I wrote my last political foray.
Thanks
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@rkr1958:
It's a problem with your thought process. For some crazy reason, you're finding "positions" and "sides" where there are none. News is about facts. It is what it is. Education and "thinking for yourself" has nothing to do with it. There's nothing to "think" about. If people get killed in a war, people get killed in a war. If bad weather is approaching, bad weather is approaching. If crime rates are up, crime rates are up. These things have no "sides".
What you're talking about is fact and "counter-fact". Because you "don't like" hearing about one thing, you want to hear the other. You don't want "bad news" you want "good news". But the world has both, and within a certain amount of time, a good news outlet will tell you about them all, somewhere on their pages or broadcasts. It just may not be in the order or arrangement you like. Too bad.
People like O'Reilly, Limbaugh and others present pomp and circumstance as "cold hard" fact, and then smirk at the camera. It's just their opinion, senseless dribble in most cases. That's not news. That's just some ******* blowing smoke at you. At least Howard Stern and Tom Leykis will admit it. They're all just blowhards that are 100% pure entertainment.
Learn to differentiate the "news" from the "opinion". Good places have it separated. Places like FOX do not.Want my help? Ask here! (not via PM!)
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Regarding the link, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 20_pf.html, the most telling paragraphs is:
"Kathleen Hall Jamieson, the center's director, said the findings provide "disturbing evidence that the public defines the word very differently from the way that most journalists do, a conclusion buttressed by the fact that 40 percent said Bill O'Reilly . . . was a journalist and only 19 percent said that George Will, the columnist and commentator, was one."
This is hilarious. George Will has never broken a hard news story in his life, but he presumably is a journalist because he writes well and speaks in measured tones on ABC talk shows. But Bill O'Reilly, who Peter Jennings used to introduce as a REPORTER on stories at least once a month on national (ABC) televsion, and who has a Masters Degree from the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, somehow is not. I'm not even sure journalists can define journalism.
Regarding PBS: Just spare me.
Before we get our collective panties up too high and tight, let me assure you PBS is not going to be pushed aside, although I could care less about their endless reruns of "Antiques Roadshow" or "This Old House". There are a dozen cable channels doing it just as well, with only slightly more advertising.
Did you happen to notice that the National Endowment for the Arts never went away, even though some right-wing nut jobs had the temerity to suggest that maybe, I dunno, just maybe, taxpayers' money shouldn't be used to fund art deliberately intended to offend the social and religious traditions of said taxpayers?
Did you happen to notice that when the Corporation for Public Broadcasting went bankrupt in the 80's it was Bob Dole's Senate that bailed them out? Not to mention Ray Kroc's widow giving $200 million to NPR within the past couple years.
Ken Burns, generally beloved by the gentrified end of the right wing (George Will) by the way, now has a production company built on the reputation he established while spending your tax dollars. I don't particularly mind because his (and Frontline) documentaries are more factually reliable and usually more politically balanced than anything else from the NPR or PBS newsrooms.
So CPB, PBS, NPR, NEA occasionally get spanked and occasionally have to clear out the dead wood, budget-wise, who cares? I've been through the same process at every private sector job I've ever held. Gosh it's a hard old world.
I think that 100 million in budget cuts should come straight to me so I can make high quality documentaries about my daughter's basketball team. For that kind of money I could bring in somber music, backlit interviews with Maya Angelou, Winton Marsalis, and I dunno, Bill Moyers? Slow pans, grainy black and white, artificial lens flare, LOTS of slo-mo, already got the herky-jerky camera movement, the occasional obligatory screeching hawk sound effect, maybe Bob Edwards or David McCullogh could do voice-over, maybe Ellen Degneres could be the coach's voice and could read those inspirational half-time talks. Brings tears to my eyes. Why won't anyone recognize my genius?
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That's because 'misrepresenting the facts' is not a firing offence at Fox. In fact, it's not any kind of an offence, it is a prerequisite to being hired and and to continued employment there.Originally Posted by TaoTeWingChun
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@ lordsmurf
O.K. I'll buy you arguement for the moment. Now show me one news outlet that does just that. That present the facts and nothing more ... I personally don't know of one that exist.
I like knowledge. I like to learn. Believe it or not I like to have spirited debates with people that disagree with me.
Maybe it an issue of semantics, but when I watch the News I want more than just the facts. I want analysis of the events that make up the News.
Is History just a set of facts. Back when I went to school, in the dark ages, if all you wanted to do was pass then all you had to do was to learn the facts. To me the story surrounding those facts was just as important and much more interesting. Decades later I can remember the stories event though the specific facts now escape me. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. I think the same statement can be made concerning the News.
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Wow ... so are you head of Human Resources at Fox. Might I PM my resume to you for possible employment there? Phantom, I'd be willing to learn from you the art of 'misrepresenting the facts'.Originally Posted by Phantom Of The Opera
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Actually, it's neither. It's propaganda, pure and simple.Originally Posted by BJ_M
'Entertainment' is a fellow like Howard Stern, who is open and up front about his clowning around. He doesn't pretend to be a source of some wisdom or ultimate truth, he knows he is just an entertainer -- a schtickmeister.
It is amusing to hear people whine and moan about Al Jazeera's 'bias', when all they are is the FOX News Network of the Middle East.
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If THAT isn't the pot calling the kettle black, then I don't know what you'd call it.Originally Posted by Phantom Of The Opera
Dan Rather fits into the same category at CBS . . .HELL, he invented the category - better get off your high horse, and maybe off yer arse too . . ."I've got a present for ya!" - TTWC
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And sometimes what the "people in charge" would have you believe is false is in fact true. Newsweek couldn't put enough evidence on the table to support their claim about a Koran flushed down the toilet, so they retracted after heavy fire.
Then, on a Saturday (less people watch the news), the Pentagon issues a report stating that an inmate in Cuba had urine splashed on him and his Koran. Um... yeah, I'd say Newsweek was pretty damn close and I give them credit for breaking that story.
So who knows what to believe? News sources or Government or what? They all say different stuff. Honestly, read about the same thing on washingtonpost.com then on bbc.co.uk then on english.aljazeera.net and you are going to think you ar reading about 3 dramatically different things.
But like lordsmurf said, the same thing happened, but it's how it's presented to you that will shape your viewpoint and you'll go even farther to fit that story into your preconceived notion.
I'm guilty of it, every human is guilty of it. It's just how we are.
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Pick up any number of newspapers. Any number of nighttime newscasts. Certain times of the day on CNN or MSNBC. The CNN ticker is good too. AP wire, for those with access. NPR and ABC radio are good too.Originally Posted by rkr1958
The problem for most people is knowing that certain "shows" on cable/networks are just that ... shows. Opinions, editorials.
Most newspapers have "EDITORIAL" or "OPINION" or "OP/ED" of the top of those pages, easy to spot.
A quick peak at foxnews.com has just shown me they don't know the meaning of the word "feature" either .... it's laden in accusatory opinion. A feature is supposed to be an interest piece about something that was not necessarily "new" (hence NEWS). Not slamming celebs and preaching.Want my help? Ask here! (not via PM!)
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TV news is a for-profit business and should be taken lightly.
Can we agree to disagree and get back on topic?
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What do quick peeks at www.usatoday.com abcnews.com www.cbsnews.com www.cnn.com www.msnbc.msn.com reveal?Originally Posted by lordsmurf
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I think the majority of folks here would love to get straight news without any bias, agendas, of axes to grind. The news has become what the media outlets decide to run with.
I want to know important things going on in the world...wars, famines, natural disasters, improvements in disease treatments, nations being oppressed or overcoming tyrrany, etc. NOT the OJ Simpson, or Michael Jackson channel, some idiotic naked PETA, or a God Hates Fags protester.
I am disgusted with the whole thing. You don't think these guys frame a story....what happenned to terrorists? Are they militants? Insurgents? Suicide bombers? Homicide bombers, Freedom fighters? Extremists? Fundamentalists?
Do we try Scott Peterson for the murder of a fetus at the 8th month of pregnancy?
When we read or listen to a story, it is important to pick up the subtleties that can and are used to completely slant or change the story. The news media movers and shakers obviously think we are all idiots who can't see through their B.S. You can put all the perfume on a turd you want, but it's still a turd.
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usatoday is straight news. They are very bland, I'm not a big fan, though I will read it when nothing else is available. The writing style puts me to sleep.Originally Posted by rkr1958
abcnews is too much activex/java on the site for one. And then it crashes IE. The front page was mostly stuff I dont care about. Editorials mostly marked off "views".
cbsnews is interesting, but nothing overboard. The report on facts ... the fact that certain people have a certain opinion. It's second-hand opinion. But the quotes and attributions show it as such. And sometimes, some stories, that's how it goes. CBS has political news and "shock" type stuff as headlines. Also not fond of the headlines "XYZ says ABC", sort of tabloid-ish.
msnbc, if you don't know NEWSWEEK is editorial, you may be confused. Everything else is as it should be.
Also went to the PBS site. A bit small compared to others, but nothing out of the ordinary or overboard. The political section is obviously editorial and opinion.
Factual news is reporting on what happened when, where, and who said what. Maybe even "how". "Why" is only a factor if science is involved. Leave "why" to editorial boards/writers. Your only state "why" if it's part of a statement.Want my help? Ask here! (not via PM!)
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If PBS dies, the people who work for them will not. These same excellent producers, journalists, etc will simply migrate to other channels such as Discovery, TLC, History Channel, etc. So they will likely still produce quality programming, just under different labels.Originally Posted by JimJohnD
By the way, PBS currently produces some of the best high-definition programming available anywhere (eg. Great Museums). Nobody else will produce these great HD programs, as there's no "money" in making programs like these. Audiences want to see reality shows of people stabbing each other in the back, not learn about art, history, cultures, etc.
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Of course republicans want to cut PBS funding. That gives them more money to spend on corporate welfare to reward their campaign contributors. Programs like subsidising American companies to advertise American products overseas and you measure the failure of that program by our increasing trade dificit.
PBS has it's good points and bad,but I'm quite sure republicans see PBS as a nest of liberals.
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dont drag politics like that into this - please ....
"Each problem that I solved became a rule which served afterwards to solve other problems." - Rene Descartes (1596-1650)
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Hmmm ... your assessments of the various news sites seems a bit slanted to me to support your previous assessment of foxnews.com. I'm glad I have choice in which outlet I choose to get my news from ... I don't believe you or anyone else here would deny that choice to me and 10's of Millions of others.Originally Posted by lordsmurf
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