New Pioneer ... DVR-530H , DVR-555H and DVR-RT7H

[donpedro]

Maybe old news but I didn't see it here...

http://www.pioneer.co.jp/press/release149.html
Pioneer Introduces New DVD Recorders with Built-in HDD
Supporting the DVD-R DL format, capable of recording up to 24 hours on a disc
DVR-530H: 200GB HDD
DVR-555H: 250GB HDD, USB (Pict-Bridge)

http://www.pioneer.co.jp/press/release151.html
Pioneer Introduces Combination VHS/DVD Recorder with Built-in HDD
DVR-RT7H: 200GB HDD, VHS

Anybody knows when they plan to be available in EU and US ?

( for search DVR530H DVR555H DVRRT7H )

[Synergy]

Anybody knows when they plan to be available in EU and US ?

Looks like Europe will get the DVR-433H, 530H, and 630H according to Pioneer's German website:

http://www.pioneer.de/de/product_overview.jsp?category_id=501&taxonomy_id=367-402

The US will get the DVR-533H and 633H, and the non-HDD DVR-233/231. No detailed info on the US version yet.

[donpedro]

I don't read german but so far this is what I see as new

PLUS
+ from 48x to 100x high speed copy (probably due DL)
+ Jukebox (copy of CD's to HDD)
+ recording to Dual-layer DVD-R in Video mod
+ adding new modes SLP 8h, SEP 10h
+ adding GUIDE Plus+™
+ change from "Component Frame DNR" to "3-D"
+ added "Y/C-Trennung (PAL)" (separation??)
+ added Pure Cinema Progressive Scan for PAL
+ maxim. titles from 250 to 999
+ added XP+ mode on HDD (XP=FINE)
+ added CM Skip (Commercial Skip)
+ added Help Function
+ added one more Cinch/S-Video input
+ added G-LINK (STB Control)

MINUS
- missing Disc History
- DV is only IN (old models had IN/OUT)

am I right ?

( for search DVR433H DVR530H DVR630H )

[donpedro]

One more think that I am happy to see, but I am not sure if it will mean anything is sugested price. While DVR-720H-S is at 1099 euro, DVR-530H-S is at 599 euro. Both are 160GB HDD models. DVR-630H-S 250GB model is at 799 euro.

[gshelley61]

The prices are definitely falling. The DVR-233/231 non-HDD models are available here now, and they are priced considerably less than the DVR-220 was.

[Synergy]

BTW, you can download the European version of the DVR-530H/630H manual from the following link:

http://195.61.130.92/PEEService/RegistrInstrMan.nsf/search?openform

Just type in DVR-530H or 630H, type 433H only get you the Russian version though. Pioneer apparently uses a new MPEG-2 encoder chip, and MN mode has improved significantly.

[sync]

The prices are definitely falling. The DVR-233/231 non-HDD models are available here now, and they are priced considerably less than the DVR-220 was.

Unfortunately you also get considerably less with the 233 in the way of features. I encouraged my sister to buy one last week and we took it back the next day.

[gshelley61]

The prices are definitely falling. The DVR-233/231 non-HDD models are available here now, and they are priced considerably less than the DVR-220 was.

Unfortunately you also get considerably less with the 233 in the way of features. I encouraged my sister to buy one last week and we took it back the next day.

What features does the 233 lack that the 220 has?

[ann coates]

Does anyone know if the new Pioneers retain the "Disc Backup" feature?

[donpedro]

Based on manual linked by Synergy, yes...

Using disc back-up
* See also Copyright on page 71.
This feature offers a simple way to make a back-up copy
of a finalized Video mode disc. The data is copied first to
the hard disk drive 1, then on to another recordable DVD
disc.

[sync]

The prices are definitely falling. The DVR-233/231 non-HDD models are available here now, and they are priced considerably less than the DVR-220 was.

Unfortunately you also get considerably less with the 233 in the way of features. I encouraged my sister to buy one last week and we took it back the next day.

What features does the 233 lack that the 220 has?

See this post:
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=270431

[ann coates]

Based on manual linked by Synergy, yes...

Thank you!

[tac7]

Re: New Pioneer:
DVR-530H: 200GB HDD,
DVR-555H: 250GB HDD, USB (Pict-Bridge)
DVR-RT7H: 200GB HDD, VHS...

Does anyone know if these new Pioneer HD models suffer from the same "scaled-down" features (compared to their predecessors), as mentioned by "sync" in his post on the

"Pioneer 330 vs 220 - significant changes:"
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=270431

I'm ready to buy my next DVD recorder (like a lot of other people here), prefereably with a HD, but I'm certainly not interested in investing my money in a unit that's a step down from last year's models.

[picrthis]

Since they are not available yet, I can't imagine how anybody would know that yet.
Neutral

Re: New Pioneer:
DVR-530H: 200GB HDD,
DVR-555H: 250GB HDD, USB (Pict-Bridge)
DVR-RT7H: 200GB HDD, VHS...

Does anyone know if these new Pioneer HD models suffer from the same "scaled-down" features (compared to their predecessors), as mentioned by "sync" in his post on the

"Pioneer 330 vs 220 - significant changes:"
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=270431

I'm ready to buy my next DVD recorder (like a lot of other people here), prefereably with a HD, but I'm certainly not interested in investing my money in a unit that's a step down from last year's models.

[tac7]

"Since they are not available yet, I can't imagine how anybody would know that yet. :| "

OK - you have a point. I thought they had already been released in some parts of the world.
But from reading some of the posts, there are people here who seem to have x-ray vision and find out things hidden from us regular mortals, so they might already have read the user manual of these new DVD recorders and so are way ahead of the game... *:)

[donpedro]

But from reading some of the posts, there are people here who seem to have x-ray vision and find out things hidden from us regular mortals, so they might already have read the user manual of these new DVD recorders and so are way ahead of the game... *

You don't need x-ray vision to read new manual. Just basic intenet knowledge how click on link and ability to read at least in English From your post, it seems that you should be able to handle both

[donpedro]

Does anyone know if these new Pioneer HD models suffer from the same "scaled-down" features (compared to their predecessors), as mentioned by "sync" in his post on the "Pioneer 330 vs 220 - significant changes:"

I would say NO, based on what I found in the manual.

List of new adjustments

• Prog. Motion – Adjusts the motion and still picture quality when video output is set to progressive.
• PureCinema – This setting optimizes the picture for film material when the video output is set to progressive. Usually this is best left set to Auto ; try switching to Off if the picture appears unnatural.
• YNR – Adjusts the amount of noise reduction (NR) applied to the Y (brightness) component.
• CNR – Adjusts the amount of noise reduction (NR) applied to the C (colour) component.
• Gamma Correction – Adjusts the brightness of darker images.

Same adjustments

• Detail – Adjusts how sharp edges appear.
• White AGC – Turn on for automatic white level adjustment.
• White Level – Adjusts the intensity of white.
• Black Level – Adjusts the intensity of black.
• Black Setup – Corrects the standard reference black level (NTSC video input only).
• Hue – Adjusts overall balance between red and green.
• Chroma Level – Adjusts how rich the colours appear.

Old (replaced with better or missing) adjustmenst

• 3-D Y/C – Adjusts the brightness/color separation (NTSC video only).
• VNR – Adjusts the amount of noise reduction applied to the video signal.

[tac7]

"I would say NO, based on what I found in the manual."

That's encouraging; thanks for the update.

[picrthis]

Actually I think they have been downgraded some, I read the manual from the link posted here and found it no longer has "Full Motion Thumbnails" for instance.

"I would say NO, based on what I found in the manual."

That's encouraging; thanks for the update.

[donpedro]

Actually I think they have been downgraded some, I read the manual from the link posted here and found it no longer has "Full Motion Thumbnails" for instance.

Could you please point out where it is in old models manual ? I am reading DVR-520H manual and I can't find anythink anout "Full Motion Thumbnails". Thanks.

[edthesped]

One more thing I don't see in the manual is the ability to transcode files on the HD when copying to a DVD. I'm under the impression the 520 can, but I may be wrong.

[donpedro]

One more thing I don't see in the manual is the ability to transcode files on the HD when copying to a DVD. I'm under the impression the 520 can, but I may be wrong.

Can you refrase it ? I am not sure what do you mean by "transcode files on the HD when copying to a DVD". Thanks.

[gshelley61]

One more thing I don't see in the manual is the ability to transcode files on the HD when copying to a DVD. I'm under the impression the 520 can, but I may be wrong.

Can you refrase it ? I am not sure what do you mean by "transcode files on the HD when copying to a DVD". Thanks.

Probably means re-compressing a video file down to fit on a single disc. Like, recording a 2 hr program on the HDD at max quality (highest bitrate), then transcoding (re-encoding) the file down to a size small enough to fit on a 4.4GB disc. Some DVD recorders with built in HDD's can do this. Kind of a quasi 2-pass VBR encode.

[donpedro]

If that is what he ment then yes, it is possible...

If you want to save disc space you can copy video at a
lower recording quality (for example, an XP recording on
the HDD copied to SP on a DVD). Copying in this way is
always done in real-time.

[donpedro]

And maybe somebody can translate this magig "Dual-Pass HDD-to-DVD Copy" phrase

Dual-Pass HDD-auf-DVD Kopie: Die im professionellen Authoring-Bereich eingesetzte Dual-Pass Encoding-Methode nutzen nun auch alle Pioneer HDD/DVD-Recorder des Modelljahres 2005. Diese Methode ermittelt während der Aufnahme auf Festplatte im Zuge des Encodings zusätzliche Informationen (encoding complexity information, GOP structure information), und nutzt diese bei der Überspielung der Inhalte auf DVD, um mit einem optimierten Re-Encoding die Bildqualität der finalen Aufnahme zu verbessern. Im Ergebnis wird die beste Bitrate für jede Szene, und somit die beste Bildqualität erreicht, auf einem Qualitätsniveau, welches niemals mit Real-Time-Encoding erzielt werden könnte.

[magic75]

I found and interesting table at the danish site recordere.dk:
http://www.brugermanualer.dk/diverse/recmodes_pioneer_520-720-530-630.pdf
It states at what resolutions video is recorded with the old Pioneer recorders vs the new ones. (Note: This is PAL) Clearly they have cranked up the resolution quite a bit. Full resolution at 3.5 h!

Question is if this really means better picture...

[edthesped]

If that is what he ment then yes, it is possible...

If you want to save disc space you can copy video at a
lower recording quality (for example, an XP recording on
the HDD copied to SP on a DVD). Copying in this way is
always done in real-time.

Yup that's what I meant.

edit:
I should have read the follow up posts before posting, glad to see it's also possible on the 530 series.

[edthesped]

Ok, I found it on page 60 of the 420 / 520 manual,

Real-time copying
Real-time copying is also possible, with the advantage
that you can manually set a different recording mode
from the original. For example, you can record a title
originally recorded in FINE mode in SP mode.
When real-time copying from the HDD to a Video mode
DVD, the chapter markers in the original material are not
copied. Chapter markers are put into the copy at
intervals, according to the Auto Chapter (Video) setting
(see also Auto Chapter (Video) on page 102).

[Gray1]

The 530, 433 and 630 are already released since 1 June

http://www.service.pioneer-eur.com/peeservice/RegistrInstrMan.nsf/(CountDownloadinInstructionManuals3)?openagent&ID= 3F52E27588D68849C1256FF9002DF2E5&Attachment=VRB137 1_DVR-630H-S.pdf

(p6-7 gives all the features)

You can record on the HD in low quality and the screenparameters are also saved on the HD, so when you put it on dvd it is possible to increase the quality.

read some reviews and no bugs so far

[sync]

You can record on the HD in low quality and the screenparameters are also saved on the HD, so when you put it on dvd it is possible to increase the quality.

That sounds like magic.