New VCD Format Holds up to 130 Minutes on 1 CD (lossless)

[branch]

"Ah.. "basically". Nonsense, a few seconds is enough, since your postulate was the exact same size. "

My postualate was in his reference to the filesize range difference 750 MB to 595 MB, not 780 to 785...please dont try to get semantical with me, "a big dick to you is little dick to me", so take it to the mirror if you won't debate semantics....only thing you have proven is your effectiveness to beat a dead horse...

You are the one who is trying to twist the langauge around to your advantage, a bit hypocritical since you were accusing kwag of doing the same thing. We were pointing out that you were wrong when you said framerate would not affect size - we weren't talking about some claims that one could make an ultra tiny file.

kwag suggested you try this:
As to the filesize and bitrate. Take your same AVI source and do the same time frame at 23.97. Then the same at 29.97.

See the file size diference?. Yes, they are both encoded at the same bit rate, but the compression varies.


Instead of trying, you insist that your math is right and he is wrong. Even though trying would have shown you that the files clearly endup with different files sizes.

And reading up on the MPG standard also show this. If you run at framerates from 25 and down, you have more information to encode that if your framerate is from above 25 to 29. This would seem to suggest longer PAL files, and indeed experiments prove this out.

"Therefore the framerate is related to the amount of information to incode"

Again,, no a couple seconds is not long enough for VBR, however, at CBR, the filesizes will be exactly the same. Simple math. amount of INFORMATION PER FRAME changes, however bitrate is the same.

Well, we weren't talking about VBR. And if you wish to convince people you need to come up with something new. Repeating over and over that the filesizes will be same is, apart from calling me a liar, hardly convincing when several people had tried the experiment and found that the filesizes were NOT the same. If you wished to convince people you were right, you would have to explain why it is that the filesizes ARE different, when the only encoding parameter which has been changed is frames pr second.

And simple math says that since there is more information to compress at 23.97 frames pr second, than there is at 29.97 (pr the official MPG standard), then a PAL file will be larger. (Why there is more? Read my message above)

But you are right, there is little point in continuing this topic, since you do not appear to be the kind of man who wil apologize and admit he is wrong. (or is it man? The langauge and nickname suggest something else)

[fish2222]

Iwould like a copy of the template also. Thanks!

fish2222@hotmail.com

[Antonio S.]

You can download a template in my site to do 130 min vcd in 1 cd or 100 min svcd in 1 cd...

Antonio S.
http://www.antonio.owns.it

[rackaboy]

can I just point out that just reducing the audio wreck the movie experience? quality is already been reduced so much...

I have a THX audio system, and have tried most of the CVCD template and my opinion that it sux, try watching a movie with flat sound all the way thru...the experience from 224k to 160/128k wasnt worth the effort..

and normalisation of the audio caused too many distortion/incorrect balance....

I'll stick with 224k and happy with 2 disc (quality is no.1) I mean would you rather have a good time watching and experiencing a movie in its original format or a hacked lowdown version...??

PS. I have been using KWAG's template for while now..happy with it

[Kdiddy]

"and have tried most of the CVCD template and my opinion that it sux,"

Thats putting it mildly..LOL

"But you are right, there is little point in continuing this topic, since you do not appear to be the kind of man who wil apologize and admit he is wrong. (or is it man? The langauge and nickname suggest something else)"

First of all, I have nothing to apologize for, again, you want someone to stroke your ego, you come to wrong forum. Just ask "Shizzzon"

"You are the one who is trying to twist the langauge around to your advantage, a bit hypocritical since you were accusing kwag of doing the same thing. "

Since you insist on still beating this horse, go back and REREAD the topic from start to finish. He said "DVD quality
", there was nothing to twist in that statement. However, Kwag & I, have buried the issue, and there is truly no need for you to crying over spilled milk. Ive said what Ive had to say and stand by ALL that Ive said throughout this thread.

[waldok]

Damn, I just read the whole thread. Sure was a lot of fun !

Now I still can't understand something. You guys who love to pretend low-bitrate MPEG1 is DVD quality, why do you want to convince others so much ? And you guys who want to call them liars and send them to some eye-witch-doctor, why don't you just leave them alone and mind you own usual DVD business ?

Damn, what's the point arguing like this on 7 pages just to throw insults at each other's face ?
I though the point was for each of us to find a satisfactory encoding method ? Who cares if the CVCD comes from SPain, from mars or from zimbabwe ? And Sefy, how can you be affected like that when some guy you don't even know calls you a thief, when maybe he's just a troll ? COme on, nothing here is real, you nevr know who you're talking to !

Guys, my 6 year-old daughter wouldn't waste this amount of time arguing for nothing like you do ! (but why am I right now ???)

No offense intended to anyone, as usual.

Waldok 8)

[porto]

this template looks like the Sefy's one with a few modifications. I already make vcd's but not going over a max of 100 minutes because degrading the video-quality below 75 or 70 will drastically have a noticable influence in the image; this 'cvcd' template has a vidquality of 50... well, I can make 140minutes vcd with just degrading the quality to 30 or even less but if you are satisfied with the result.... I reckon so....

[Antonio S.]

New templates for PAL have been added...

Antonio S.
http://www.antonio.owns.it

[silab]

So weird that someone said CVCD worked fine on their Apex 600A as it doesnt on mine that is why I returned it.

So many audio problems though the picture was really decent, at least better than my VCD.

I just dont know what was wrong with the audio.

[Sefy]

waldok, the only thing a guy can take down to the grave with him, is his honour, and being called a thief is totaly unjustified, and as you so, the guy has no honour and shows no respect, and therefor, i don't show this topic the respect, so i didn't get involved in it.