New VCD Format Holds up to 130 Minutes on 1 CD (lossless)

[Spainclaimfortruth]

Hi,

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I would like to know how old is SeVCD format/templates. If its release was in August 2000 or latest, CVCD is older than "Sefy's own VCD template". This means that Sefy cannot be known as the owner - as he said - of these settings anymore, and SeVCD is just a copy of CVCD templates. Just because the release is in Spanish, this doesn't means that English speakers will have a behaviour of thief of ideas.

Btw: in vcdsp.com you can find a tool called DVD2CVCD, which automatizes the process of CVCD creation, using tmpeg + CCE with mpeg1 multipass (yes, mpeg1 multipass with CCEhacked). There you can find some samples of encoded movies to download also. The most awesome is Magnolia, encoded to fit ONE cd.

[Sefy]

Spainclaimfortruth, calling me a thief is rather high charge, even if CVCD existed before SeVCD, i've never heard of it, and I did not copy any settings from anyone else, all I did was re- do the VCD Template by changing the CBR to VBR, and I was the only one who posted the Template.

So accusing me as a thief is very insulting, and I reject that accusation! all I have said, and you even quoted me, is that it has the SAME settings as my own Template, and as me or plenty of other people did not know of this CVCD till now, I cannot be a thief, and I would like apology on your choosing of words.

[Latexxx]

Some of the following information is from vcdsp.com. Some is from babelfish.altavista.com and the rest are my own opinions.

CVCD = como VCD, como=like, like VCD is almost as XVCD. Which makes me think that maybe CVCD is only a spanish name for XVCD.

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[pinoy2201]

XVCD and CVCD are totally diffrent...CVCD is in Mpeg 1 format and the XVCD is in Mpeg 2 format ..... you should say EVCD and CVCD are the same

[sracer]

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On 2001-12-17 06:46:22, Spainclaimfortruth wrote:
Hi,

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I would like to know how old is SeVCD format/templates. If its release was in August 2000 or latest, CVCD is older than "Sefy's own VCD template". This means that Sefy cannot be known as the owner - as he said - of these settings anymore, and SeVCD is just a copy of CVCD templates. Just because the release is in Spanish, this doesn't means that English speakers will have a behaviour of thief of ideas.
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Spainclaimfortruth , go away! You have some nerve coming here and slandering the hardworking people (specifically Sefy) who work to share information with everyone. It is very reckless of you to come here and make alegations without doing any investigation yourself to verify your claims.

Your xenophobia is unfounded, and I defy you to back up that claim that the language of the website has ANYTHING to do with it!

[wcb4]

anyone who knows spanish well enough to make a nice little howto would be thanked most profusely by the members of this site

[vlk3]

Jesuschrist, what is it here ?

This "CVCD" is only low bitrate VCD with low bitrate audio and high P/B frame compression. Nothing new, Xing MPEG encoder (1998 year) used this trick for low bitrate encoding. Therefore NOTHING NEW.

It does not matter WHO found this, because it is old trick to make low bitrate look better.

call it as you wish. CVCD, LowVCD, GreatVCD, ShitVCD..... it dows not matter HOW you call it, because IT IS NOT STANDARD. Only standards are VCD (2.0) and SVCD (1.0) and HVCD in China. Everyone can use own name.

All modifications of VCD can be called XVCD (excepts HVCD stadard). And, XVCD (unoficial standard, eXtended Video CD) use MPEG-1 compression.

There is no real founder of this "great method". Only author is MPEG group, who created MPEG-1 compression.
The CVCD author should be called "TMPEG Template author" not "CVCD author". CVCD is nothing, it is only name which you named this template.

[doctorxxxx]

Hi, I have been reading all those posts. I am member of http://www.vcdsp.com and I have been making CVCD almost 2 years. I don,t thinks people had to quarrel about who is the author of the format ,the reality is a good format and of course I don,t think sefy has copy anything ,this is a great and big world and many people can get at the same conclusions.
A member of the group called Lostboy has make a great GUI that automatize the process , here you have a manual (in spanish) if someone is interested on it I could traduce it (with my terrible english ) .Here is the URL http://granavenida.com/vcdspain/ripeo/dvd2cvcd/dvd2cvcd.htm

[salvius]

I fail to see why people are still calling this a format.

[Spainclaimfortruth]

@sefy

Of course, once you aren't a thief, you will change the name of those templates and use CVCD instead of SeVCD.

@vlk3
why are you talking about somethig that you don't know what is it? WOWW... maybe you know Spanish and you are just hidding half of the true.

@all you laze guys,

this is a Christmas Ghift for you

here you can read a crap translation of CVCD history - just push "translate".

here you can download some samples of CVCD.

btw: CVCD means "Compressed VideoCD". The "C" comes from "comprimido". It has nothing to do with "como".

@doctorxxx

are you the author of the guide "creacion de scvc a máxima compression"? Surely you can make a good guide... in Spanish

[Sefy]

Spainclaimfortruth may claim for truth, but I claim for an apology on that accusation, it is very insulting and hurtfull to call someone a thief without just cause.

I did not steal anything from anyone, and I agree with doctorxxxx, lots of people could come to the same conclusion, only diffrence is, I distributed mine so others can use it, and to make it not confused with other variants, I named it diffrently, it does not make me a thief.
Spainclaimfortruth, if you have any decency you will apologise!

[pepehdez]

Ok, It's me pepehdez I posted this subject. Guys, stop attacking each other, stop attacking me, stop attacking Mr. Sefy he has helped a lot of people including me.
Why don't we just share what we think, and help each other.
stop ******* around if you don't like the template just don't use it, if you know something better, share it, if you tested it, tell us about it, alright. If you don't understand something in the http://www.vcdsp.com site just ask I'll translate it for you, just stop ******* around, excuse my french I'm Mexican.



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[pepehdez]

Please stop asking about the template I already posted it.


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[Kdiddy]

"Theif"? Now not only is that an outlandish flame, but did you submit a copyright patent for this idea?? I would submit that yes, you not only owe Sefy an apology, but English speaking people as well. All your remarks have done is to give vcdsp.com a trarnish image. It just seems that you are quite upset that vcdsp.com portrays this as some great breakthrough in encoding and having some design contest when actually it is not. I have also yet to see anyone post on how to get this "130 mins on 1 CD (lossless)" or say they have been able repeat this action and maintain true VCD quality.

[pepehdez]

Kdiddy:
In order to fit 130min on 1 cd you just have to play with the template settings.

[Kdiddy]

Yes this I know,...but see telling me I have to change something, but not telling me WHAT to change doesnt answer the question.....because from what I know, they only way to accomplish this much time on a CD is by lowering the bitrate to levels that I find it hard to believe will maintain the "better or equal quality to a regular VCD." level that you speak about. So Im looking for the explanation on keeping bitrate on par with VCD, ie 1.15 mbps, and yet still fitting 130 mins on a CD?

[TIbrO]

Guao! Cuantos Hispanos y Españoles hay aqui?

[zbychol1]

I want to download from http://www.vcdhelp.com dvd2cvcd1.08 but I can't. Can anyone help me?

[Martí]

YOU CAN DOWNLOAD A DEMO DIRECTLY FROM THEIR SITE

Just go to http://www.vcdsp.com and enter into "Manuales". After that, look for all the information of CVCD and in one of the manuals there is (If I remember rightly...) a little demo. It looks really amazing! The CVCD is a great storing format!

Martí

[pepehdez]

TMPGEnc using this template will lower the bitrate only in scenes that doesn't need a high bitrate it will lower it down to 50 kbits/sec.
The average bitrate in the movie will be 550kbits/sec
The maximun bitrate will be 1150kbtis/sec
the minimun 50kbits
I know it sounds cheap, but with the "2pass VBR" option ends up pretty good.

[Spainclaimfortruth]

In my first post I had put a question if SeVCD settings are older than CVCD, and said that CVCD exists since August 2000. Since Sefy didn't post an answer to my question, I assume that the answer is "CVCD is older than SeVCD".

@kdiddy

"Want to know your ethical level"... means something for you? You cannot be Sefy's lawyer, because you are almost a thief, while he is probably just a poor victim of his poor knowledge about what happens in Spain.

@zbychol1

vcdsp.com download homepage is down since 3 days ago, waiting for a new server. You can get an account in its forum, and ask for someone there to send the toll for you.

[Truman]

Spainclaimfortruth, you are new to this forum. I want to recall, that we are vcdhelpers, we respect each other and we respect different opinions. If you can not accept that, please leave this forum.
It does not matter whether CVCD is older than SeVCD is older than ZVCD. They are just XVCD and there is only a little difference between the used templates. Everyone may feel free to create his own template and give it a name.

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[Kdiddy]

"The average bitrate in the movie will be 550kbits/sec "

As I thought, I doubt that bitrate with this average is "equal or better" to that of regular VCD, I'll pass.

@Spainclaimfortruth
""Want to know your ethical level"... means something for you? "

Yeah its a post I did in SEVERAL other forums, whats that got to with you calling Sefy a thief?? ANSWER: Not a damn thing! Hey you want to call me a thief, go right ahead, dont hurt me none. The point is your suppose grand inventive new format is not only old news, but doesnt live up to its billing. Then you have the nerve to say someone stole it, like people have nothing better else to do other go around stealing vcdsp.com's ideas. The is 2nd time Ive seen people representing that site come over here, & start whinning/crying about something happening over here. And each time it makes vcdsp.com look like crap. "poor knowledge about what happens in Spain"??, I think that is the problem, not enough people care about what goes on over there & you are just a wee bit jealous. So go get your servers straighten out, have fun with your geeky little "who can make the best vcdsp.com CVCD intro contest", & leave us "unknowledgeable Enlgish speaking theives" to ourselves.

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[Sefy]

Spainclaimfortruth, i've done a little checking, and SeVCD is newer then this CVCD, but I did NOT rip it off CVCD, I came up with it myself, after being told that MPEG1 VBR will not work, I tried using it anyway, and that's how I came up with it.

Calling me a Thief is unwarranted! like Kdiddy mentioned, I do not see a Registered Trademark on this CVCD format, actually as a format, I don't see it being mentioned anywhere on official supported players, which means, this CVCD is the same as my own SeVCD, a hybrid format which is a tweak of settings, and is NOT compatible with everything.

Again, calling me a Thief is an insult and is unwarranted, it was uncalled for, and you still owe me an apology, if you do not apologise, you are not an honourable person, and I will not take anything you say seriously from that point and on.

Unlike you, I have not called anyone by any names, and I have high respect for anyone and everyone on this board, it's pity that you do not show respect to others.

[pepehdez]

Way to go Sefy !!!

Spainclaimfortruth, stop fu***** around, and apologize.





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[pinoy2201]

Spainclaimfortruth apoloize to Sefy man ...you got to much F**King pride in you

[Dhruv]

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On 2001-12-17 07:35:42, pinoy2201 wrote:
XVCD and CVCD are totally diffrent...CVCD is in Mpeg 1 format and the XVCD is in Mpeg 2 format ..... you should say EVCD and CVCD are the same

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Actually, XVCD is mpeg 1 as well.

[flaninacupboard]

*laughing*
it really makes you wonder....
it really does seem as though VBR makes headline news in spain, i mean, for fecks sake! if clikcing a drop down menu, then file, save, and posting that file on on http server is thievery, then everyone whos ever touched a computer is a thief! ever saved a word document? THIEF! U TH33VED MICRODICK! ever used tmpgenc? TH33F-x0r! U TH33F JAPAN! if anything these "CVCD" wankers are the thieves. i mean, step one, take an encoding algorithm made by practical geniuses, with so many qualifications theyve forgotten half of them (the MPEG guys) next take several years work developing and troubleshooting a gui that incorporates absolutley -loads- of features, filters, options and setting (the tmpgenc guys) click "bitrate mode - VBR" and claim itas the second coming of jeesus! dearie me.....

[salvius]

I must not be getting something, but since when is 2-pass variable encoding a thing to be 'invented?' My 2-pass is older than your 2-pass... OK...

[VCDsMakeMoney]

Cant you see? CVCD is tearing us apart! IT'S TEARING US APART!!!