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    Originally Posted by lumis
    the vast majority of people dont know what drm is, or really care what it is.. if they see 2 products and one says "drm supported", they'll probably buy the drm version.
    You don't see Macrovision advertised as a DVD player feature very often.
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  2. Originally Posted by dnix71
    I guess I won't be buying Intel in the future. Glad I already own a mac.
    MAC might be usung Intel chips soon.
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    Originally Posted by spiderman2k1
    Originally Posted by dnix71
    I guess I won't be buying Intel in the future. Glad I already own a mac.
    MAC might be usung Intel chips soon.
    This was mentioned a couple of times on page one.
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  4. I wont be buying any more intel even if amd go this way as well..
    I have sent an email protest and encourage everyone else to do the same..
    http://www.intel.com/feedback.htm
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  5. Ha! I bet just about everyone here WOULD buy an Intel processor if it were evenly priced and had better performance characteristics than the equivalent AMD chip...

    For example, PIII vs K6? No competition.

    I personally bought an A64 in my latest PC -- not out of any allegiance to AMD, but simply because it was better value for money and arguably a better processor. If Intel lifts their game and AMD doesn't, then I may well buy an Intel processor next time around.

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    Originally Posted by vitualis
    Ha! I bet just about everyone here WOULD buy an Intel processor if it were evenly priced and had better performance characteristics than the equivalent AMD chip...
    Perhaps ... but, according to one source, the Pentium D has been beaten:

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Athlon-64-X2-outperforms-Intel-Pentium-D-2523.shtml

    Of course, the question remains ... did they quietly add DRM to the mix like Intel did? And the question beyond that is ... what's next? Surely, both Intel and AMD are working on a 128-bit chip, Micro$oft is working on a 128-bit OS to support it, and Linux/Mac developers aren't standing still either.

    Even so, what can be done can be undone ... or, as Scotty said in Star Trek III, "The more they overtake the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."
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  7. For sure. But the Pentium D is much cheaper than the Athlon X2.

    The P4 design is hamstrung by the netburst architecture. A dual-core Intel processor based on the Pentium M would more than likely give AMD a run for their money.

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    Originally Posted by vitualis
    For sure. But the Pentium D is much cheaper than the Athlon X2.
    There's a reason why it's cheaper. In order for the chip to work, you need to buy additional "accessories":
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    Intel fans, but not only them, underline the price difference between AMD and Intel regarding dual-core processors, but fail to mention the fact that the users choosing Intel Pentium D will also need a new motherboard and DDR 2 memory modules.
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    AMD Athlon 64 X2, though a bit more expensive, also has the advantage of being compatible with the motherboards used for single core versions.
    It's kind of like the difference between buying two cars ... the AMD being more expensive than the Pentium model (but the Pentium model requires you to buy the tires as an "option").

    But back to the topic, has anyone heard whether or not the AMD X2 plans on incorporating DRM on their chip? If so, then this bad press about the Pentium chip is only one-sided. DRM is DRM, wherever you find it.
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  9. Yes, upgrading is an issue and with classic Intel style, every new processor class seems to need a new mobo.

    HOWEVER, this is not an issue for a new PC -- and the Pentium D is quite a stellar performer in high multitasking environments. If I were purchasing workstations for a company and I was choosing between the Pentium D vs the Athlon X2, it would seem to me that the Pentium D would be the better choice (unless AMD drops the prices of the X2 line).

    Personally, I find the termal envelop of all these processors way too high. I'll wait for the dual-core version of the Pentium M (? Yonah) to come out for the desktop before I upgrade my desktop.

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    I suspect my next upgrade will be when keyboards are totally dispensed with ... and everyone is saying, "Hello, computer," to log on.
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    Originally Posted by AlecWest
    I suspect my next upgrade will be when keyboards are totally dispensed with ... and everyone is saying, "Hello, computer," to log on.
    Just don't buy any computers
    BUY A DOG
    Had you spent half the time you spend on your PC with a dog, I bet he'd learn not only easily recognise all of your commands (speech recognition), learn how to get a newspaper and mail from the mailbox (mail and news spam-free - better than Outlook hehe), and perhaps he'd learn how to cook for you as well
    And did I mention the dog won't get BSoD for some 10- 15 years, and if well-maintained may last way longer? Compare it with any wintel product
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    [quote="DereX888"]
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    learn how to get a newspaper and mail from the mailbox (mail and news spam-free - better than Outlook hehe),
    What country are you living in?

    My mailbox is stuffed with 10x junk mail (spam) vs. real mail. At least the electronic junk mail doesn't end up in a landfill somewhere.

    And the newspaper is nothing but spam and FUD.

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    Originally Posted by AlecWest
    learn how to get a newspaper and mail from the mailbox (mail and news spam-free - better than Outlook hehe),
    What country are you living in?

    My mailbox is stuffed with 10x junk mail (spam) vs. real mail. At least the electronic junk mail doesn't end up in a landfill somewhere.

    And the newspaper is nothing but spam and FUD.

    well, it was intended as a joke ofcoz, but actually my snailmail mailbox don't get any junk mail.
    I don't know how it works somewhere else, but I think you have to notify your local Post Office and "opt-out" from any bulk mail (thats how it is called here).
    I also have a warning sticker that the mailbox is for use by authorized Canada Post employees only, and very seldom someone else dare to stick in their junk in it
    I don't read newspapers thus I dont subscribe any (IMO it should be a crime against humanity to cut any tree for the purpose of printing all these idiotic ads, catalogs and whatever 'sale' crap they deliver! )
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    The electronic junk mail consumes resources in other areas, don't forget. Or did you think the electricity and processor time that servers burn while they process volumes of mail nobody wants doesn't have a real-world cost attached?

    I think Intel needs to stop bending over to Microsoft and start thinking about breaking the limits on processor capability. I remember when AMD brought out the first gigahertz processor, and thinking "you could make a 486 run at 1GHz if you used a big enough heatsink and didn't mind it turning to goo within thirty seconds". These number games manufacturers play are stupid. I wish Cyrix was still in the picture.
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    Originally Posted by Nilfennasion
    I wish Cyrix was still in the picture.
    You got to be kidding,they were the worst cpus around,slower than pentium and even athlon k-6.
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    Performance is irrelevant in my wish that they were still around. Matter of fact, I kind of wish manufacturers like Motorola were still making CPUs. Not because it might heighten the number game, but because more competition means more innovation. Think about it. If Cyrix suddenly demonstrated, say, a processor that kept an image of your work so you could recover it even in the event of a catastrophic hard disk failure, imagine what the likes of Intel and AMD would do to top it.
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  17. What I'm worried about is Trusted Computing.
    Apparently, the mobo or cpu can be made to not run any program that the author hasn't paid the requisite dues to M$ (or Intel). Goodbye freeware.
    It also stops legit, paid-for software from opening docs written with warez.
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  18. In a sense Cyrix is still around. They were bought by VIA and their technology is in VIA's Centaur chips. Low power, low performance X86.
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    Originally Posted by DereX888
    Originally Posted by AlecWest
    I suspect my next upgrade will be when keyboards are totally dispensed with ... and everyone is saying, "Hello, computer," to log on.
    Just don't buy any computers
    BUY A DOG
    My cat won't let me do that.
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    Get rid of your cat then.
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    Originally Posted by celtic_druid
    Get rid of your cat then.
    Actually, I do plan one more upgrade. I'll probably give my current system to my kid and upgrade to a P4 as a "retirement present" to myself. Not sure at this point if I really want (or need) to go the 64-bit route. If I do, I suspect I'll opt for the AMD ... even if it costs a bit more.
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    Trusted computing will never take off. While people have sort of fallen into a blind apathy of accepting whatever the powers that be hand to them, TC will be crossing a line. If a computer suddenly stops and says "pay up", especially in a workplace, it will backfire like nothing before. Not even the backfire that Region Code Enhancement had in Australia and Europe will be able to compare.
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    Originally Posted by Nilfennasion
    Trusted computing will never take off. While people have sort of fallen into a blind apathy of accepting whatever the powers that be hand to them, TC will be crossing a line. If a computer suddenly stops and says "pay up", especially in a workplace, it will backfire like nothing before. Not even the backfire that Region Code Enhancement had in Australia and Europe will be able to compare.
    Yes.
    And at that moment Microsoft, Intel or someone else - they will release patch to disable DRM on a hardware level, and the whole idea will be shleved again ("again" because there were many 'big brother style' consumer control ideas before - PIII serial numbers anyone? - and all of them ended up where they belong since begining).

    Im not worry about DRM. I actually don't give a s...t about it. It will be gone faster than it took them to conceive it.
    But Im worry about how much it will cost *me* (as a part of development costs of next CPU I may be interested in).
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  24. Those serial numbers could be turned on remotely by visiting a web page.

    Reloading the disks is a really cool idea if you maintain a network where everybody's personal data is stored on a central server. No local stuff allowed. Everytime there is a 3 day weekend, just reimage all the computers. Stops all work place piracy/web hosting/porn/mp3s.

    Now what about somebody deciding that my Linux box should be running Windows?? Or the other way around. Could my system be reloaded by a website visit? Say a delayed timer to wait until the computer is idle for 2 hours?

    This is a great idea like the software that the RIAA passed out that deleted all the multimedia files, system or not.
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  25. This is the email i got back from intel on this subject
    Hello,

    Thank you for contacting Intel. We appreciate your feedback with this matter
    and the opportunity to address your concern.

    The May 26 Computerworld Today Australia* story incorrectly reported that the
    Intel Pentium(R) D processor and Intel 945 Express Chipset(R) includes
    unannounced embedded DRM technology. The Intel Pentium(R) D Processor and the
    Intel 945 Express Chipset(R) family do not have unannounced embedded DRM
    technologies. Intel does support various content protection technologies
    including DTCP-IP technology, which is publicly offered by a number of companies
    in the industry and an important element in enabling protected transport of
    content within the home network

    Again, thank you for your interest in Intel.

    Sincerely,
    Thea P.
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    Intel is a registered trademark of Intel Corporation or its subsidiaries in the
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    so... who, when and why lied?
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    Well, if that letter from Intel acknowledging no DRM chips in that product line doesn't hit the MSM (main stream media), then I'd say it's a fair bet we can't believe anybody.

    Not even INTEL at this point.

    After all, the way this topic (of copyright infringement) gets so much press lately - I am surprised that Orrin Hatch didn't call for the death penalty against such criminals.
    Whatever doesn't kill me, merely ticks me off. (Never again a Sony consumer.)
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    Intel like all Sale out Companies . Don't appreciated the Customer!!
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    I think Intel are smart enough to know by now that such a denial could seriously hurt them if it turns out to be false. Kind of like all those statements that abestos not being dangerous that blew up in manufacturers' faces when miners started getting funny cells showing up in their lungs.

    DRM is just a symptom of our increasing addiction to capitalism. Everything has to be serialised, numbered, databased, etc etc. Not that protecting one's investment is a bad thing, but ever since Windows 95 came in, return on the users' investment has been minimal at best. Software makers have only themselves to blame for the reaction.

    Intel like all Sale out Companies . Don't appreciated the Customer!!
    Let me guess... English is not your first language?
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  30. Both could be correct. What if the CPUs and chipsets now have randomized, large serial numbers (256, 512, 1024 bits?). These could be used as DRM keys to limit playback to a single computer. But Intel can still say they haven't added DRM to the products, they're just serial numbers.
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