Adobe vs Vegas - which would you choose?

[edDV]

Interesting thing to watch at the low pro/prosumer level is the impact of Sony directly entering these applications by acquiring Sonic Foundry (Vegas - Architect - SoundForge - Acid). It puts them directly opposed to Apple but with the weight of the Wintel PC platform. Apple is boxed in by their hardware.

Vegas v6 was mostly for Sony, not the current DV user. v6 is all about HDV and SDI interface so that the product can support sales of a wider range of Sony hardware.

Adobe is still pouting about Apple taking them on directly but has not mustered a major challenge for the independents. Sony is filling this vacuum.

AVID has bought Pinnacle to have a dog in the fight. Panasonic has gotten very close to AVID and Apple.

I just wish Abobe would get tough. The more competition, the better products we will get from all of them.

[noki]

Premiere can frame serve to any encoder

if this was a response to my question, thanks but that was not the question. I was inquiring whether VEGAS can accept encoders as plugins like Premiere can.

[canadateck]

Premiere can frame serve to any encoder

if this was a response to my question, thanks but that was not the question. I was inquiring whether VEGAS can accept encoders as plugins like Premiere can.

No,you can only use the one in Vegas, "mainconcept". Its very good by the way.

[BJ_M]

...............The more competition, the better products we will get from all of them.

that is so correct -- helps us all and keeps prices in check .. look at the price for AVID DV , they are now almost giving it away and for awhile you could get it for $100 .. This was over 2grand when it came out .. and there is even a free version ....

protools free version is useless though ..

[kabanero]

I use Premiere so cannot comment on Vegas. One question though...
Can you use encoders that plug into Premiere in Vegas? like Procoder and/or Discreet Cleaner. If so I wouldn't mind getting a trial of it and trying it.
thanks.

noki,

You can use Debugmode FrameServer to use any encoder from Vegas.

http://www.debugmode.com/frameserver/

Debugmode FrameServer:
Quote from the website:

Latest version is 2.2

This version supports the following editing software. If you want FrameServer to support other NLEs, drop in a request at the Userforum.

* Sony Vegas (and earlier Vegas Video/VideoFactory versions). - tested with Vegas 6.0/5.0/4.0, Vegas Video 3.0
* Adobe Premiere 6 and above. - tested with Premiere 6.0/6.5
* Adobe Premiere Pro/Premiere Elements. - tested with Premiere Pro 1.0/1.5/Elements 1.0
* Ulead MediaStudio Pro - tested with MSP 7.0
* Ulead VideoStudio - tested with VideoStudio 8.0
* Pure Motion EditStudio - tested with EditStudio 4.1.3

[madvideos]

Another VERY IMPORTANT feature to consider, the support, no not the Adobe Support.. the fan base, and tutorials all over the place for Premiere.. maybe Vegas is the same.. this would make a HUGE difference, I love the fact I have so much information and great tutorials at my google fingertip.
I too am a HUGE Premiere user, getting close to being a power user.. but once you look at a few tutorials like Wrigleyvideo.com you are hooked. All I know about Premiere I learned online, some stuff I bought, some stuff was free. I also own the Premiere 6 and 7 Bibles... very nifty and a must have!

[lordsmurf]

If I ever left Premiere, I would look into Canopus Edius, Media 100, or Avid Xpress.

[jboogie]

vegas and premire are both adaqute for the tasks i preform, but the stability of vegas is what keeps me using it.

i have the full version of both, and there are few functions that i cannot preform on either.. but the problem is the crashing or premier.

Vegas 110%.. asthetics, fuctionality, support, and compatablity all play a major role in that desision.

[lordsmurf]

I've been using Premiere for years now, it doesn't crash any more than Windows itself (which is not all that often either). I don't get what people are doing to make it crash. I'd like to hear more about some of these scenarios.

[wwwill]

OK people, this all sounds very interesting and everyone has their favorites.

I am thinking of switching my NLE. I currently use Premiere 6 with a Pinnacle Pro-ONE on Win2000. It seems a bit limited. I was at a demo of Pinnacle Edition 5.5 a few years ago. One of the things I thought was nice was the background rendering, which Premiere 6 doesn't do. My options are to upgrade to Premiere Pro or switch to something else.

Apparently people consider Liquid Edition something of a dog. No matter what I do, I would want something that can encode surround audio.

I mostly do weddings, video for schools, web media encoding and I am assisting in a couple of cable tv shows. I don't think I'll need anything exotic like film compatibility. I would like to be able to put together a movie in the future; probably shot on DV or HDV.

What do you guys think: Avid, Vegas, Premiere Pro, FCP?

[BJ_M]

sure - they are all good ... and except for FCP, you can try them all out for free ...

I would pick the one that you can work the fastest in and get to understand the quickest ...

[edDV]

You'll have to upgrade to XP for Premiere Pro.

You'll just need to test them all and see which you like.

http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/ talks endlessly about pro/con of various plaforms and editing programs. Vegas seems to have the general momentum but many still like ULead, Pinnacle, etc.

[VideoTechMan]

I have been with Premeire since version 5.0 Granted I didnt have alot of equipment to work with like I do now, but I like using Premeire....and I dont get any crashing problems on my system either. The built in MainConcept encoder in Premeire has given me great results and takes half the time compared to TMPGEnc (which I have stopped using now since I understand the bitrate system better to use the encoder in Premeire).....so now I have a better understanding on calculating the bitrates for DVD, I can set them in the encoder and go from there, and it eliminates having to do the extra step of exporting to a huge 25GB AVI file first before encoding.

I bought the Adobe Video Collection Pro and I love the intergrated features between the 5 apps. Being able to import chapter points from Premeire to Encore is awesome.

If I remember correctly Premeire can encode audio to 5.1 AC3 using the SurCode codec but unfortunately have to pay to register the darn thing. But I dont worry I export PCM in Premeire and encode to AC3 in Encore.

But anyway, I am all for Premeire, and with the latest update for the ability to work with HDV footage, ill have that ability in the future, and I like the "Pro" like feel of editing Pro offers.

VTM

[lordsmurf]

The built in MainConcept encoder in Premeire has given me great results

I use Procoder most of the time, not so much MC. Great results here too, very happy. CCE, MC, PC ... all the best encoders have Premiere plugins for export.

[Jester700]

At this point, it's probably whatever interface meshes with you best. I picked up Vegas back before Premiere had real time transition previews. At that time, the workflow of Vegas using multiple cams seemed more intuitive to me, and the ability to use the same program for multitrack audio was a bonus. Now that I'm familiar with it, it'll take a lot to get me to move.

[dfgh11]

Well after the current project I'm working on, I'm in the market for a new editing software. So maybe vegas as long as it's straighforward to use. Premiere has good features, but is a fuckin' work-out to use, when you project is about two shours long.

[kickbxn5]

I have both. I prefer Premiere.

[lincspoacher]

im using vegas 6, its not intuitive. buit it will do lots of whizz bang things. I suspect it might be too noddy for a professional production company, but it probably would be ok for up to music video production.

just my two pennorth.........

[dfgh11]

Premiere seems to be better for plugins, but not for either stability or export quality. Sony vegas, although not as user friendly as adobe premiere, is everything adobe premiere fails to be, just without as many plugins and more transitions. I've been using vegas now for a week, and it has made editing video more pleasurable on my setup than it ever was with premiere pro.

[whitejremiah]

all the programs that were listed off are pretty good, im not sure if it is still (or even if it exists anymore for that matter!) but cinegy used to be pretty good...also, if you havent given virtualdub a run...it may suit your needs......it can do a lot of basic stuff...and some more advanced stuff as well, given its not FILLED with options, but there's a ton of various filters and plugins freely available for it.

[Jacob_P]

To everyone who wants to try Premiere Elements 7:

I been using Vegas Studio for 2 years and never encounter a low memory problem as I've always encounter on Premiere Elements 7. In Vegas, I put almost 450 high quality pictures and a hundred of video clips on a single project and it never crash. I'm frustrated with Premiere Elemets 7 which I bought about 4 monts ago and when I about to share my project on DVD I'm getting a transcoding error. I google this error and I found out there's a lot of people experiencing the same problem. Getting Adobe's help? Nada! ... its already been 5 days since I sent my case and up to now to responds.

I bought the Premiere Elements 7 because I thought it is better than Vegas. I'm a programmer and work on different software and never encounter such a help (or user) guide that was inaccurate and hard to understand. Almost every night I spent about 3 to 4 hrs studying this Premiere Elements and I'm still having hard time using it. Probably because I'm expecting the same full control as in Vegas. And now, I'm stuck with this transcoding error. I don't think I'm going to create another project using this software because there's no guarantee that it can be put in DVD.

Stay away from this software. Don't waste your money and time (as I did).