Firefox Browser Security Flaw

[burnman99]

I'm just another IE user that never has any problems - I must just be lucky that I don't visit websites of ill ilk, blindly open attachments in my emails from people unknown to me, or that I update my software / anti-virus / firewall regularly ...


Who woulda thought, eh ?

Well jimmy, you know what you are an experienced computer person and know what you are doing....unfortunately around here, many peoplej don't know the internet from a badmitten net. So they use IE (it's the only brower the've ever seen) get a popup for a "Cool TGPronSearch Bar" download the stupid thing, and Voila! Browser Hijack City! I totally agree that a little prevention goes a long way. However, if a neophyte uses Firefox, it comes with built-in searchbar & popup blocking. Also, it stays away from ActiveX IMHO the biggest problem with IE since it is how most malware gets installed. And yes you can use make Firefox use ActiveX with the Neptune Plugin + a bookmarklet. Personally, I Firefox because it's got about 8 gazillion more features than IE. If more ppl used Firefox, the internet would be a better place.

Rog

[Tidy]

If you ask me the "nighmares" that most IE users experience are there own fault.

Yeah, Billy (I almost wrote Bully... just as appropriate) Gates tried to convince users of the world that all the security holes and exploits in his products were the users' fault, too. This would be fine, since all products encounter untested conditions or have users do things that nobody thought of, but for one thing. Mickeysoft has by far the worst track record in just about every market when it comes to security. Why do you think their efforts to take over the TIVO and video games markets haven't flown? It's because even the ageing granny who is impressed when she clicks on an icon and things happen knows that MS-level reliability is utterly unacceptable with other devices.

I don't mean anything related to coding. i mean using a web browser without a firewall. using no virus protection. opening unsafe attachments, clicking on unverified popups etc. Things that users specifically do themselves. Also I would like to reiterate, give any application at all from almost anywhere a 90%+ market share and you are going to find it has just as many holes if not more than an MS product.

I am tired of people trying to compare apples to oranges. Don't get me wrong I don't have an love for Microshaft but I think people try to judge them by a standard that is not equal.

[Tidy]

Why do you think their efforts to take over the TIVO and video games markets haven't flown?

They haven't? MCE is continuing to grow with new MS innovation and Xbox 360 is just around the corner beating Sony's next gen console to market. Sounds like things are going quite well.

I would not count on this. I agree with your entire post except this. The reason why XBox 360 is hitting the market first is because they think that is the only way they can beat Sony in sales this time. It has half the processing power, smaller harddisk, smaller selection of games, and one fourth the GPU power of the PS/3. Not to mention the Xbox division of MS is running 8 digits in the red right now.

It has been proven in the past that coming out with a console first is not a good idea i.e. sega and so on. Take a look at the numbers. In the Austin American Statesman on Friday May 13, 2005 they ran an expose about console sales. That had sales numbers:

Game Cube : 18.1 Million Units Sold
Xbox : 17.9 Million units sold
Playsttion : 171.8 Million units sold

Even gamecube beat Xbox.

Not to mention the fact that XBox 360 is just an SMP Macintosh. Anyway you had some very good points in your post.

[cincyreds]

It has half the processing power, smaller harddisk, smaller selection of games, and one fourth the GPU power of the PS/3.

Where did you get these figures? The PS3's specs (as far as I've known) are as yet unreleased to the general public. Are these in stone?
Link: PS3 specs changed

It has been proven in the past that coming out with a console first is not a good idea i.e. sega and so on. Take a look at the numbers. Even gamecube beat Xbox.

At that time the Xbox was a brand new player in the video game arena with no customer base yet built. That's the reason sales were not equal to the other well known game systems. I think it had nothing to do with being first to market.

I still maintain being first to market is a huge advantage. Your product has no "on-par" competition until the next competitor's release. It was paramount for MS to release first - that's how they can establish a customer base in the absence of competition. That's how many products establish a customer base - by being the first to introduce something. Many consumers show brand loyalty and will often stick with the first product they buy because they're comfortable or familiar with it.

Besides, if being first to market is not important, then why do these companies always scramble to announce how soon their console will be unveiled/shipped?
Link: PS3 Launch date

Not to mention the fact that XBox 360 is just an SMP Macintosh.

Huh? The Xbox 360's CPUs will be dedicated to virtually nothing but gaming. The Mac is not a gaming console. I don't think that's an accurate comparison - the Mac has to perform a LOT more and varied processing duties. But even if it was, what difference does that make? Not sure why that would be a negative anyhow.

Anyhow, have a great week.



Dean

[ofbarea]

The security flaw has been fixed for Firefox and Mozilla. Just get Firefox 1.04 or Mozilla Suite 1.7.8

[vitualis]

Being "first on the block" does not gurantee that you will beat the competition (e.g., Sega Dreamccast)... especially if it means that your console is relatively underspeced/overpriced with a small game selection during the time before the release of competitor consoles.

What needs to be remembered is that ultimately it is the games which makes the console. I play very few games on console (or at all), but I bought a second-hand PSX for the purpose of playing FF8 and FF9. Similarly, I bought a second-hand PS2 for FFX and FFX-2.

Regards.

[Nilfennasion]

What needs to be remembered is that ultimately it is the games which makes the console.

Amen. If Commodore were still in business and had some of the rights to their old Amiga classics, I'd buy their machines. People who think games like Doom are violent have quite obviously never played Moonstone.

[Tidy]

It has half the processing power, smaller harddisk, smaller selection of games, and one fourth the GPU power of the PS/3.

Where did you get these figures? The PS3's specs (as far as I've known) are as yet unreleased to the general public. Are these in stone?
Link: PS3 specs changed

It has been proven in the past that coming out with a console first is not a good idea i.e. sega and so on. Take a look at the numbers. Even gamecube beat Xbox.

At that time the Xbox was a brand new player in the video game arena with no customer base yet built. That's the reason sales were not equal to the other well known game systems. I think it had nothing to do with being first to market.

I still maintain being first to market is a huge advantage. Your product has no "on-par" competition until the next competitor's release. It was paramount for MS to release first - that's how they can establish a customer base in the absence of competition. That's how many products establish a customer base - by being the first to introduce something. Many consumers show brand loyalty and will often stick with the first product they buy because they're comfortable or familiar with it.

Besides, if being first to market is not important, then why do these companies always scramble to announce how soon their console will be unveiled/shipped?
Link: PS3 Launch date

Not to mention the fact that XBox 360 is just an SMP Macintosh.

Huh? The Xbox 360's CPUs will be dedicated to virtually nothing but gaming. The Mac is not a gaming console. I don't think that's an accurate comparison - the Mac has to perform a LOT more and varied processing duties. But even if it was, what difference does that make? Not sure why that would be a negative anyhow.

Anyhow, have a great week.



Dean

To be honest I do not remember where I read the specs it was on an insider site somewhere. if I can find the link I will post it. As for being first to market not being a good idea, look at Nintendo. They had a 15 YEAR customer base when the game cube hit and that did NOTHING for their sales. Historically, if you look almost all of the companies who have brought a next-gen console to market first are no longer even producing conoles. For example, Sega, TurboGrafx 16 etc.... it is just a historically proven fact. Anyway new word on the street is after finalizing the high capacity drive standard I hear that it is possible that the PS/3 will show up around the time XBOX 360 will.

[shelbyGT]

You know, this thread is about Firefox... we've got two or so other ones dedicated to ps3/xbox360/revolution

[State Of Mind]

And the Firefox vulnerability has been fixed.