Need help with TY 16x -r media (will only burn @ 4x).

[godbeer]

Hi everyone,

I purchased a 100 pack of Ty 16x dvd-r media @ Rima.com. I have tried them with two different burners in my pc - one is a 8x burner and one is 16x, but the maximum write speed I can get using decrypter or nero 6 is 4x. The burners are an LG-4182b and a Lite On SOHW-1633S. The odd thing is that both burners will recognize and burn 8x discs @ 8x with no problems but will only recognize or burn the 16x Ty's as 4x.

Here is the media info I get from dvdinfopro:

Media Information
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID TYG03
Format Capacity Blank Disc
Free Blocks 411107328
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.71GB)
Book Type DVD-R
Media Type DVD-R
Manufacturer Rated Speed Unknown
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.0x 2770KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 1.0x 1385KBps
Write Strategy Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
2x Speed OPC beta 09
2x Speed OPC power 09
2x Write Strategy field 1 15 A9 9A 90
2x Write Strategy field 2 88 80 00 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta 07
4x Speed OPC power 11
4x Write Strategy field 1 0C 10 0B 06
4x Write Strategy field 2 95 07 0D 0B
4x Write Strategy field 3 80 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse 08
4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse 16
4x Write Strategy field 4 17 96 88 85
4x Write Strategy field 5 B7 89 33 83 30 33
4x Write Strategy field 6 00 00 D0 00 00
Data area starting sector 30000h
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1

Complete Media Code
00000000 00 6C 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 84 0D 11 .l...@....R.....
00000010 66 78 90 00 03 54 59 47 30 33 00 00 04 00 00 00 fx...TYG03......
00000020 00 00 00 00 05 A8 82 00 20 00 02 00 06 09 09 15 ........ .......


And From Dvd decrypter:

LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1633S BGS4 (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD-R

Disc Information:
Status: Empty
Erasable: No
Free Sectors: 2,297,888
Free Space: 4,706,074,624 bytes
Free Time: 510:40:38 (MM:SS:FF)
Supported Write Speeds: 1x, 2x, 4x

Pre-recorded Information:
Manufacturer ID: TYG03

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: 0@P-!-00
Book Type: DVD-R
Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 0
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0


Same thing when I test with Nero CDspeed or try to burn with Nero - 4x max only. I don't think it's the discs - they are TY's from Japan and marked "DVD-R 16X for Professional" on the paper ring at the top of the spindle. Also, coming from Rima.com I would be surprised if they were fakes.

Anyone have any idea what the problem may be here, or any suggestions on what I should try to do correct it? Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Roy

[Shocker Milwaukee]

If you don't have Kprobe, download it and see what write descriptors your LITEON reports using Kprobe.

Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.0x 2770KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 1.0x 1385KBps
---------------------------------------------------------
Supported Write Speeds: 1x, 2x, 4x

If you've got real TYG03, the above is obviously wrong.
If worse comes to worse, you can enable the other speeds with firmware using your LITEON.

[godbeer]

Thanks for the reply,

I downloaded Kprobe and here are the results I got:

Disc Type DVD-R
Book Type DVD-R
Manufacturer Taiyo Yuden Company Limited
Media ID TYG03
Protection System None
Region 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
Capacity 4.38 GB
Free Size 4.38 GB
Free Blocks 2297888
Number of Layers 1
Linear Density 0.267 um/bit
Track Density 0.74 um/track
Maximum Read Speed 3.2x
Maximum Write Speed 4.0x
Current Write Speed 4.0x CLV
Write Speed Performance Descriptor 1 4.0x CLV
Write Speed Performance Descriptor 2 2.0x CLV
Write Speed Performance Descriptor 3 1.0x CLV


The results are the same. The discs came on 2 spindles from Rima, and I ran the test on several discs from each spindle - results were the same on all.

I'm not sure what to think here - i've never gotten fake media before, so I'm not sure what to look for. However, I have purchased plenty of Ty media from Rima in the past, and they certainly look authentic, right down to the icky dust-magnet shiny top (the only complaint I've ever had with Ty discs).

You mentioned using firmware to enable the other speeds - should I try and see if there is a newer manufacturer upgrade, or is there hacked firmware I should use?

Thanks Again,

Roy

[godbeer]

I just tried to burn an iso image with decrypter:

First disc I used, I got the following:

I 00:25:00 DVD Decrypter Version 3.5.4.0 started!
I 00:25:00 Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
W 00:25:00 Drive D:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB
I 00:25:00 Initialising SPTI...
I 00:25:00 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 00:25:00 Found 1 CD-ROM and 1 DVD±RW!
I 00:25:25 Operation Started!
I 00:25:25 Source File: C:\DVD_VOLUME.ISO
I 00:25:25 Source File Sectors: 2,285,866 (MODE1/2048)
I 00:25:25 Source File Size: 4,681,453,568 bytes
I 00:25:25 Source File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
I 00:25:25 Destination Device: [0:0:0] LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1633S BGS4 (E (ATA)
I 00:25:25 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: TYG03) (Speeds: 1x, 2x, 4x)
I 00:25:25 Destination Media Sectors: 2,298,496
I 00:25:25 Write Mode: DVD
I 00:25:25 Write Type: SAO
I 00:25:25 Write Speed: MAX
I 00:25:25 Link Size: Auto
I 00:25:25 Test Mode: No
I 00:25:25 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 00:25:25 Filling Buffer...
I 00:25:25 Writing LeadIn...
W 00:25:25 Failed to Write Sectors 0 - 31 - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 00:25:25 Retrying (1 of 20)...
W 00:25:26 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 00:25:26 Retrying (2 of 20)...
W 00:25:26 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 00:25:26 Retrying (3 of 20)...
W 00:25:26 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 00:25:26 Retrying (4 of 20)...
W 00:25:26 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 00:25:26 Retrying (5 of 20)...
W 00:25:26 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 00:25:26 Retrying (6 of 20)...
W 00:25:26 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 00:25:26 Retrying (7 of 20)...
W 00:25:27 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 00:25:27 Retrying (8 of 20)...
W 00:25:27 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 00:25:27 Retrying (9 of 20)...
W 00:25:27 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 00:25:27 Retrying (10 of 20)...
W 00:25:27 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 00:25:27 Retrying (11 of 20)...
W 00:25:27 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 00:25:27 Retrying (12 of 20)...
W 00:25:27 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 00:25:27 Retrying (13 of 20)...
W 00:25:28 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 00:25:28 Retrying (14 of 20)...
W 00:25:28 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 00:25:28 Retrying (15 of 20)...
W 00:25:28 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 00:25:28 Retrying (16 of 20)...
W 00:25:28 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 00:25:28 Retrying (17 of 20)...
W 00:25:28 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 00:25:28 Retrying (18 of 20)...
W 00:25:28 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 00:25:28 Retrying (19 of 20)...
W 00:25:29 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 00:25:29 Retrying (20 of 20)...
W 00:25:29 Retry Failed! - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
E 00:25:31 Failed to Write Sectors 0 - 31 - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
I 00:25:31 Synchronising Cache...
E 00:25:31 Failed to Write Image!
E 00:25:31 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:00:06
I 00:25:31 Average Write Rate: N/A - Maximum Write Rate: N/A


Tried another of the Ty discs and got this:

I 00:21:26 DVD Decrypter Version 3.5.4.0 started!
I 00:21:26 Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
W 00:21:26 Drive D:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB
I 00:21:26 Initialising SPTI...
I 00:21:26 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 00:21:26 Found 1 CD-ROM and 1 DVD±RW!
I 00:21:38 Operation Started!
I 00:21:38 Source File: C:\DVD_VOLUME.ISO
I 00:21:38 Source File Sectors: 2,285,866 (MODE1/2048)
I 00:21:38 Source File Size: 4,681,453,568 bytes
I 00:21:38 Source File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
I 00:21:38 Destination Device: [0:0:0] LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1633S BGS4 (E (ATA)
I 00:21:38 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: TYG03) (Speeds: 1x, 2x, 4x)
I 00:21:38 Destination Media Sectors: 2,285,866
I 00:21:38 Write Mode: DVD
I 00:21:38 Write Type: SAO
I 00:21:38 Write Speed: MAX
I 00:21:38 Link Size: Auto
I 00:21:38 Test Mode: No
I 00:21:38 BURN-Proof: Enabled
E 00:21:52 Failed to Reserve Track! - No More Track Reservations Allowed
E 00:21:54 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:00:16
I 00:21:54 Average Write Rate: N/A - Maximum Write Rate: N/A


Then I tried a cheapo philips 8x cmc mag disc - burned and verified perfectly at 8x.

So, the Lite-on won't burn the ty discs at all, but will burn other discs fine (and at the top rated speed of the disc). But, the Lg drive will burn the Ty discs fine, but only @ 4x, even though it will burn 8x discs @ full speed. I'm more confused now than ever.

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