Framerate convertion. Once again...

[4lexx]

Hello

First of all I just wanna say thanks alot of all the wonderfull guides and threads etc. that have helped me alot doing what i want :P I've been here for quite some time already, and I've learned alot. I just havn't regged untill now. I have a problem though.

Basically I have downloaded some movies in 30fps that I want to burn on a PAL dvd. I know how to make and burn the dvd and all. I just can't figure out how to get the best results with a PAL dvd. I've tried to search but nothing gave good results. So, IS there a perfect/near perfect/good way of converting 30fps to 25fps? If it's impossible then maybe 24 would be better? If it can even be done... I don't think 24fps on a PAL dvd will cause much problems. I am currecntly using TMPGEnc Xpress so if it is possible in this program it would be great. Of course, if i need other programs then thats fine too. All I want is get the movies on a PAL dvd without the jittering and lag (or slowdown). I've hear that it's impossible, but theres gotta be SOME way, right? Or maybe just a tiny little bit better than it is the normal way. If someone knows it then it gotta be you guys.

Thanks in advance!

[bugster]

Don't bother with the conversion. Encode it as NTSC at 29.97fps. Chances are it will play fine. Practically all Euro TV's and DVD player handle NTSC with no problem. It seems to be mainly the US where PAL/NTSC is a big problem, not so in europe.

[4lexx]

Wel, yes. My own DVD player will play them fine. But I want to have maximum compatibility from where I live. For example. My mate has only a PS2 and these stupid DVD players only play their own region. So a NTSC DVD will be played at black and white. Is there not another solution?

[bugster]

Take a look at DGPulldown.

[4lexx]

Hmm, that wont quite do what I want either. Are there not any other solutions?

[bugster]

Hmmm, no, you are right, it is only useful for increasing the framerate, not reducing it.

The only way I know of reducing the framerate without significantly affecting playback time and speed is to remove enough frames to get down to the desired framerate. Many encoders, such as TmpGenc, will do this for you when you encode to mpeg-2, but the result is ifetn slightly jerkey playback. Possibly the speed change functions of advanced editors such as Premiere or Vegas may do a better job, but I have not tried them for this so can't be sure.

[guns1inger]

Procoder probably does the best job as far as a single package format conversion goes.

[midnightsun]

If these are NTSC movies which have been pulldowned from 23.976f/s then Bugster's suggestion qualifies.
You have to IVTC the movie to restore it to progressive 23.976f/s, resize to 720x576 and encode at 23.976f/s progressive (you should also set the GOP length <15 since applying pulldown to a 15 long GOPed mpeg will give you an out of spec PAL file). When you're done encoding, run the file through dgpulldown checking 23.976->25.

If it's true 29.97f/s then you're out of luck with dgpulldown as you can only increase the framerate with this method.