The Best CIS ?

[Captain315]

I got the chip changed but it still won't work. Idle said it sounded like an air bubble in the printhead. I sent him a PM about three or four days ago but he didn't answer me. Trying to find out through some other source what I might do to get this thing working again. Thanks for the reply bidefordboy.

[macrovision]

Here's the tech report for my repaired R200 I was posting about... I got it back today! Now I have 2 R200's

[macrovision]

Umm, I think... Umm.... That the ..... Leak was real.... Replaced Main processor?.... printhead?.... Ummm .... I love you guys....Seriously!

[Captain315]

Anyone have the instructions for installing the JLWsales CIS system? The Wholesale-Ink system I bought won't allow the yellow ink to print. Going to install the JLWsales system instead. Maybe I'll have better luck with it. Any cautions of suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[macrovision]

Captain 315... I had a problem like yours a long time ago... I believe you need to reprime the yellow cart.... to re-prime it you need a syringe without a needle on it....turn the cart upside-down so the outlet port is facing you.... insert the syringe.... pull the plunger up and hold it until you see ink enter the syringe.....it will pull down-ward, so you must use force to hold it up until it no longer pulls down-ward. You can also goto the printonadime site and download the instructions.... but remember, You don't need to prime the jlwsales cis because it's already primed. http://www.printonadime.com or http://www.printforless.tk

[Captain315]

I tried priming the Wholesale-Ink system about twenty times but it still failed to work. Put OEM cartridges in the printer and it printed yellow fine. It is the system for sure. He offered to SELL me a new (upgraded) system at a discount price but that just didn't set well with me so I took it out and am in the process of replacing it with the JLW system. The JLW system had air in the lines so I went ahead and primed it anyway to get it all out. With my luck on these systems, it won't work either.

[Mirot87]

I had no problems with my JLWSales kit. im glad it came already primed so i didnt have to mess with any syringes or anything.

Ive had my system for over 3 months and am almost out of ink (ordered refills on the way) to give you an idea of how much I print. I leave the printer off when im not printing so its off at night, off for several days at a time. Never any problems. Sometimes a color wont print but I turn off the printer then turn it back on and everythings fine. Im not sure why my system works so well and everyone else has problems but heres how I did it if it helps:

One thing I was sure to do was, once I installed the cartridges I left them alone. No jiggling them, no half pressing them down, I just stuck them in there firmly and LEFT IT. That means no removing them and putting them back in. I didnt mess with chips or software either.

I did install a waste ink container also.

[Captain315]

Thanks, that's what I plan on doing. Just trying to figure out how these brackets go on the printer right now. It mounts totally backward of what the Wholesale-Ink does. I must admit that I like the way my last one installed. It has a lot of good features but I felt (maybe wrongly) that he should have stood behind it a little better. Can't seem to find JLWsales on e-Bay anymore. Don't know if he's out of business or not. I appreciate your taking the time to reply Mirot87.

[Mirot87]

I bought ink from JLWSales off ebay a week ago and he had CIS systems up then.

I removed the grey mounting clamp from my printer to install the carts. It wouldnt really clamp down with it so i just unscrewed the grey piece. completely.

I threaded each cartridge through the opening in the grey clamp before installing each one. and when I realized it wouldnt fit right with the grey clamp, I didnt remove the carts, I just moved the grey piece over near my tanks and its sat there ever since. Thats how serious I am about not removing the carts

EDIT: Just to add, i DO press the carts down once in awhile just to make sure they're snug in there and not coming loose. Not sure if it sounds like i dont do that in the previous post.

[macrovision]

I also stated that with the jlwsales cis the carts SHOULD NOT BE REMOVED AFTER INSTALLATION, however my Printonadime cis, I've removed it several times because I kept getting air gaps in the line. Just so that you know, Air can damage or destroy the printhead. So I removed them... I always ended up re-priming all the carts because the ones without air gaps developed air gaps when I re-installed the carts. It turns out that I had a twist in the line.... You know when you turn a carts 360 degrees and install it.... It's almost un-noticable unless you look real good. That cause stress on the ink flow causing an air gap after large jobs... The ink seemed to receed back to the point where the hose connects to the cart. Anyway I turned the suspect carts 360 degrees in the opposite direction and I haven't had that problem since(it's been about a week and I usually see that problem every other day). The jlwsales cis kit I was using, I cleaned the tanks and cut off the carts... I'm gonna buy CIS carts from weink.com because they sell the "Build your own cis" kit for $74 and since I spent alot of money and time learning about cis kit construction I think it'll be a waste to throw my jlwsales kit away, Besides my printonadime tanks are 30ml... They're not a problem and I print alot of DVD's without refilling but I can use the 100ml tanks from my jlwsales cis kit and mod it with the weink.com carts. Plus my Dad wants my repaired printer and he wants a cis kit for it.So I figure I'll sell him my extra printer and my printonadime cis, fix my jlwsales cis and be on my way ... It's easier to fix than some people may think and I get most of the wasted money back. Not to mention every-one will be happy( My dad and me). Sounds like a plan or what? BTW when I mod the jlwsales cis I'll take pics and post them with instructions for any-one that feels like not wasting their non-functioning jlwsales cis. Also I'm gonna use the auto-reset chips from the jlwsales carts as well. LOL! 8)

[Idle]

Just remember when you change the chips over that they're colour-specific (at least the OEM's are) and be gentle with them -- they're only made strong enough to be installed once.

[macrovision]

Idle, Thanks for the info... I used to service electronics(for about 12 years) before consumer electronics became disposable so I know that the fact you pointed out is important, However....with all that I've been through in the fancy/smancy world of CIS systems/Inky hands(Even from OEM carts) I want everyone to know that color-specific is only one fact. Also remember that the autoreset as well as OEM smart chips are ultra sensitive to static electricity. Even the little bit of voltage your body produces can destroy them( And don't walk across a carpet or wear a garment like wool before/while working with them) The main point I'm making is that you need latex gloves and a anti-static wrist strap to work with them (unless ya got $90 for new chips). And last but not least, Ink,glue water, ECT can also destroy them...Handle them carefully if your gonna change them and YES they can be destroyed if you place them on the wrong carts and try to use them that way...The printer's interface might short them out while trying to access them. LOL!

[dmagic1]

hey macro

I just got a new set of carts for my JLW cis. I actualy got them from JLW. They are the new type of carts with the chambers. The system is working great and it was a lot cheaper than getting a new cis.

[Mirot87]

why even mess with chips? Are you using an old system that needs new chips?

Ive had no problems with chips and found no reason to play with them.

[Captain315]

Anyone know if the connections for the tubes on top of the JLWsales cartridges can be turned? I need to change the direction of the tubes coming into the cartridge and keep kinks out of the tubes. The only way of doing this effectively is to turn these connections a different way.

[macrovision]

Sorry... I wanted to post earlier and I'm about to go out but I have a minute. First I'm modifying my old jlwsales cis and the new carts come without chips so I'm gonna use the chips from the old jlwsales cis. Second I'm also replacing the tubing because I had a problem with that as well. And last but not least, I've removed the carts and tubing... I'm gonna order the parts hopefully tommorrow... This is a bad pic but it's what my jlwsles cis looks like now. I can't wait to give the modding thing a whirl!

[Idle]

Captain315: Looking at my old set, I doubt you'd move them without breakage.

Before trying it, look to an escape route if you do break any (check where you can get replacements.)

Depending where you are in the world, this could be easy or hard -- CIS parts are easy in the US, for instance.

A good source might be hobby shops selling model aircraft and other engine powered model parts -- the same fittings are used in their fuel systems (this is where early CIS developers got their parts) -- and medical equipment suppliers.

If you do succeed in moving the nipples, remember when you finally position them that all joints MUST be airtight.

[macrovision]

Sorry, I hadda run earlier and I forgot to post for captain315. No you cannot move the joints on the carts. They used a sealer that hardens when it dries and it makes the fittings stiff as well as airtight. Idle is right, You should find an escape route first but I have one question..... I used the jlwsales kit before and I had to take off the grey cart cover because it wouldn't close tight.... It's very easy to do and the printer won't give you a problem...Why don't you give that a try first? If you want instructions, post for it. I'm sure that most people on this forum wouldn't mind giving you the instructions, I know I won't mind....all you have to remove is two screws located on the front of the grey cover(near the reset chips).. You'll have to put the printer in cartridge exchange mode to get to the screw on the right side of the grey cover...after you remove both small screws you need to gently pull the grey cover upwards. You can lift it with your hand gripping through the opening of the grey cover. That's all it takes, Don't worry, Most cis kits(including printonadime) requires the removal of the grey cart cover. And Mirot87, I've noticed that your curious about the postings about chips... You posted playing with chips? You misunderstood me. I'm repairing my jlwsales cis using a kit that has to be put together by me. The kit is about the same price as a new cis kit but I enjoy the challenge, So I'm gonna see if I can do it and if I can't.... LA DI DA DA.... I won't cry. I can afford the lost

[Captain315]

I already have the cartridge cover removed Mac, thanks anyway. I appreciate the information about the sealer though. It appeared that they were not movable but I was unsure. I'm trying to re-route the supply lines to where they will feed from the left of the printer rather than the right side. That can only be done correctly if the tubes exit the right side of the cartridge carrier rather than the left as is standard with JLWsales CIS systems. There's a reason for this, it's just too long and boring to explain.

[bidefordboy]

Captain315
I believe the bracket you had with your Wholesale ink system is the same as the one used by Toppy-Jess & Printonadime. Why not use that with your JLW system & install it as I have mine (details on page one). I have the Epson r300 so my tubing has to feed from the left.
Hope I have'nt misunderstood the information you require.

[Mirot87]

The direction of the tubing shouldnt cause any problem really. Ive run the printer for many prints with the ink tanks on either side before I settled on the right side. It seems to work fine both ways, I wouldnt sweat it.

ALSO: My black seemed to be not printing so I did several cleanings/tests and eventually it now works fine. BUT every time i turn the printer on now it does a cleaning. Any idea how to turn this off?

[bidefordboy]

The tubing is arranged to feed from the left on the r300 because if it feeds from the right it obstructs the door that opens to insert your camera cards.
Before I fitted my waste ink bottle I thought my printer was performing a cleaning cycle every time I turned it on (that's what it sound's like). But if you look at the waste pipe when you turn on you will see that no ink is being pumped to the waste bottle. I think it is the printer just testing all the functions before it's ready to print.

[macrovision]

Mirot87, Now you see what we're talking about when we discuss chip-set for our cis.... You can tell if it is cleaning simply by watching and listening... If it makes one high pitch sound during power-on it's not cleaning. If it continues to make a puimping sound and the printhead moves during this sound then yes, it's cleaning.... It may do this because the chips have reset one after the other....6 times max... If it continues I recommend leaving the printer on. I leave mines on always and It doesn't give any problems however even with the ssc service utility it Auto-cleans upon reset and during the preset times embedded in it's firmware. I wonder if the printer can be flashed?

[klubber]

I can't believe how much ideas change here. I was starting to have a couple of problems with my JLW CIS and I switched to the wholesale ink system So far... No problems. Works great. Now people are going back to the JLW system. I will wait for Macro to show how to mod it and maybe do the same. Where does evrbody buy ink from?

[Captain315]

I'm with you klubber, I think the Wholesale-Ink system is better by far. I had trouble with my system and changed back to JLW while I'm waiting for him to send a fix.

[bidefordboy]

klubber

I think the only time people will re-use their JLW system is if they can get replacement carts. The original one's are crap. When I removed my JLW system it made such a mess with leaking ink, it went straight in the bin.
Just been doing a little checking around & it appears that there are three different type's of chips for these systems.

Type 1.
When levels drop to 10%. Turn off printer, turn on again & the levels will have reset to 100%.
Type 2.
When levels reach 10%, chips automatically reset the levels to 100%. Printer does a re-charge.
Type 3.
When levels reach 10%, chips reset to 90%. This avoids re-charging the carts.

My system should have had the Type 3 chips, but was fitted with the Type 2. So Toppy-Jess sent me a set of inks to compensate.

Still waiting for someone to report on the 'reset to 90%' chips. If they exist I WANT SOME .

Each time the printer does a normal cleaning cycle you waste about 9mls of ink (6x1.5mls). When it does a re-charge you waste 18mls of ink (6x3mls). There are also three different cleaning cycles that use varying amounts of ink. So you see, the 90% chips would be ideal.

[macrovision]

Bidefordboy, Personally I don't think there's a 90% auto-reset chip set... I understand enough about computers,firmware and I used to repair t.v.'s,vcr's and stereo equipment..not to mention I've been envolved in computer electronics since the TRS80(8086)processors.... In theory,Yes it is possible....simular to copying the "Smart Chip" instructions on an SD flash card....Modifying the binary commands so that instead of it resetting "1"=100% it would read "01"=90% (this isn't the actual orders since I haven't copied them yet). So, Maybe if I get frustrated enough I'll research the pins on the smart-chips and modify an SD reader to copy the commands...and of course....sweat dearly while hacking them! LA DI DA DA, EPSON!!!!! WHY DOES IT HAVE TO LEAD TO THIS? Anyway, I might try to Western Union the $15 to the company you posted.... To see what happens. 8) LOL!(LOTS OF LOVE)

[Idle]

Don't want to tread on your toes, Macro, nor risk being declared OT, but as I recall (bought and sold quite a few of them when I was in the industry) the TRS80 was a Zilog Z80-based machine made to compete with the 6502-based Apple II -- later machines (mostly business-oriented) moved on to the Motorola 68000.

One model used both Z80 and 68000.

Tandy's first 8086 effort was, I think (memory's getting a bit dim these days) the Model 1000.

EPSON!!!!! WHY DOES IT HAVE TO LEAD TO THIS?

It doesn't have to -- we could all make Epson happy, give up eating and buy ink instead...

CMYK soup with a little LC and LM on the side? yech!!!

[macrovision]

Idle... Ya maybe right..... I had the one that used the cassette recorder as a hard-drive...Heh..Those were the days....(All In the Family) Anyway, 8080,8086,8088.....I lost track as well dealing with new technology and ink everyday for quite a while. My order for the Build Your OWN CIS is on hold until friday....seems someone spied on and used my internet purchases to buy themselves something nice...I wonder what the FEDS are gonna say? It's not me so,I don't care. But as soon as I buy it I'll post that I ordered it...And I'll take really nice pics as I repair my Jlwsales CIS... Para-tubing and all. Hey guy's look at this http://www.echostore.com/ink.html and this http://www.echostore.com/coinksy.html and of course this http://help.echostore.com/CISS/Epson_R210_R300_R310_installation.pdf

[pixiemom]

Hi everyone - long time no post. I've been away! But now I have a problem. I ordered the kit from wholesale_ink, and the PDF file and pictures that came with it do not match what I received. This wouldn't be a problem except that I *cannot* figure out what to do with the big long orange piece that came in place of the short grey T-bar that was shown in the pictures. The thing is supposed to support the ink tubes - that much I know - but since it is shaped *entirely* differently there is nothing to tell me how far over the printer it's supposed to hang, or how much tubing to allow as slack, or what the heck I'm supposed to do with the short piece of velcro that also came with the kit. Did anyone else receive this version of the kit, and how did you install it? Thanks for any help.