The Best CIS ?

[Noahtuck]

I believe there has been a picture posted showing the original JLW cartridges do not have foam in them, they are completely hollow inside except for a little filter covering the outlet.

I could be wrong, but i thought the orginal JLWsales did have the foam in them, and now they actually make a point that theirs no longer do have the foam in them.... and that something about the seat in the cart is why they tend to clog, that's why everyone is now going to the non-foam in carts....

[macrovision]

I Hate to add a redundant 2 cents but JLWSALES changed the CIS manufacturing because of the problems "WE" have/had. Too many dissatified consumers will cause a loss of revenue so why build systems that may never be bought? He most likely have seen/heard about the other systems and with my ranting and raving against him in this and the "JLWSALES REVIEW"forum I believe he got all the clues(constant E-Mails about carts improperly functioning from consumers)so he redesigned his cis system"I don't blame him" The way all Professional CIS Systems are built is from the OEM standard and this seems to be the latest rave as well as the reason the forumist here don't complain about the systems they purchased. Mines is five months old and works like a charm until I push it to the limit...doing 60-70 covers and DVD's in one sitting never letting the system breath....got a bad nozzle check but I didn't post part of the solution....Auto-cleans/Head cleaning isn't always the answer"I learned this from experience" When I got the "Bad nozzle check I let the printer rest for about 10 minutes and printed another nozzle check....Most of the lines that were broken were solid again but I did a cleaning because I needed to finish my counsumers bulk order and I wanted to goto bed...with 2 DVD's left to print...It seemed silly to wait a hour for the ink foam and air to disburse. The point is that head cleaning cannot get the Air or ink foam out of the nozzles so letting the printer sit for an hour or two will help.Try this if head-cleaning doesn't clear up the problem on a non problematic system. LOL!

[bidefordboy]

Your spot on Mac. One day I had the same problem. A couple of black lines were missing when I did a nozzle check, so I printed a couple of black only purge sheets, the broken lines were still there. Left it overnight & next day nozzle check was perfect. So I think a lot of these head cleanings that we are advised to do are just a waste of ink. Just be patient & the problem will clear itself.

[macrovision]

These printers weren't made for mass production...This is why the carts aren't all that big. CIS systems give us the capability to print until we're content however this spoils us and we tend to forget about the fact that the printer may not be able to keep up with all of the stress we put on it. When I disconnected the green-line hose and changed my mind about that decision I had to take the right half of the case off and the waste-pad holder apart...doing this I had to remove my CIS system and afterwards everything was alright but the next day(several hours later) I turned it on and printed a nozzle check...The nozzle check was bad so I did a clean cycle..the check was still bad. After multiple cleanings and nozzle checks still turning out bad I remembered this problem when I was using the JLWSALES system so I turned the printer off for 2 hours...turned it back on and the problem was no longer there. So when using a Continuous Inking System keep in mind that the printer wasn't designed for these systems and the constant forward/reverse motion of the printhead will cause the ink to foam inside of the print-head. The foam has oxygen bubbles in it and the nozzles being smaller in size than a human hair cannot allow the small drop of ink to get pass the foam but as time passes the foam will disburse the air and return to a liquid state. Even plain water will produce foam if you shake it vigorously LOL!

[Brudha]

Here's the post and pic of an original JLW cartridge:

Back on page 2 Macrovision posted pics of various cartridges, well he is indeed correct about JLWSales carts being hollow (not that I doubted him ). Out of bordness and curiosity I broke open one of JLWSales carts and scanned it for you all.



As you can see there is just one large open chamber. And the "valve" is simply a rubber gasket with a wire mesh screen to filter out anything in the ink. No wonder there was ink all in my carriage.

[Noahtuck]

macrovision
Wow.. you never have a short answer do you LOL!!!

Okay, well, even letting it sit for a few days or overnight... nadda!!! no go!!

from everything i read most seem to think the JLWsales did have foam, where as i know they don't now.
Well, when i replace my LM cart i will have to break open the old one and see what's in it... because there is no air in the line anywhere, no matter how long i let it sit or power cleanings it still prints broken bands on the test page and photos now look streaked.

If i can't get a replacement cart from them who or where is a good place to get one ?

[macrovision]

Never have a short answer because I don't want to be misunderstood....for example Http://weink.com or " The reason why your cart won't work is because of the "O" ring in the outlet port....It's not allowing an air-tight seal on the inlet spike. Was that too long?....Next time I'll go for two word posts! LOL

[poolenglish]

Noah;
sounds like a clogged print head.

try this link, windex worked for me, i didnt want to waste a drop of good vodka.... lol

www.inkjetart.com/tips/cleaning.html

[Noahtuck]

Never have a short answer because I don't want to be misunderstood....for example Http://weink.com or " The reason why your cart won't work is because of the "O" ring in the outlet port....It's not allowing an air-tight seal on the inlet spike. Was that too long?....Next time I'll go for two word posts! LOL

I was just joking with ya

And that was what i was thinking from what i read also but i'll check out both yours & poolenglish links and see what i can do....

But i'd like to keep this one going on my R200 (which is about 5 months old and has had the CIS on it since day 2) as im going to just buy a new one for my R300.
And i have not heard back from JLWsales yet either on a new tank for the LM.

No one knows a good place to get a new cart for the CIS ?

Thanks!!

Edit: okay, i guess that link ya sent huh...

[Brudha]

LM:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1246&item=5213953039

[macrovision]

I was tempted Noahtuck....I didn't remember the exact place on the weink.com site but I can also recommend http://www.colorbat.com Just look under the empty epson carts link. BTW, I recommend the newer spongeless carts for CIS replacement carts but you'll have to use the chip from your JLWSALES cis. When you get ready to transfer the chip PM me for precautions ( Really Important ) The chips are ultra sensitive to static electricity!

[Noahtuck]

Thanks Brudha, i actually saw those the other day, prob. what im gonna try next.

Thanks for the link poolenglish, i tried yesterday and today, on the spike and the pad for the heads, to try and unclog that way.... no deal, still prints like crap on the LM.... ran the power cleaning a bunch of times on the SSC Service Utility also, i remember acouple of months ago the LM was starting to streak a little and after a few power cleanings it straightened out, but not now

macrovision, yep, i know to definately go with spongeless carts, i'm gonna try replacing the LM cart on my JLW CIS and see if that works, if it does i'll just replace all the carts as they are pretty cheap.

I'm just gonna buy a new system for my R300 though.

Funny thing, when i took all the carts out of my R200, the black, and the 2 cyan tanks, they let ink run out pretty good onto my work bench, but the 2 magenta and yellow, they did not leak or run at all, i even banged them on the counter and not a drop came out ?
Just wonder why the one's did and the others didn't ?

[Brudha]

I really think this guy's stuff is the way to go in using some quality refillable cartridges or trying to patch together a complete CIS with the old JLW system's tanks.

http://stores.ebay.com/WAY-TO-PRINT

Just ordered a set of 6 refillable with some elbows. I'll try and use them with my old JLW system if the elbows fit the old hose properly, otherwise I'll just use the cartridges by themselves to see if I can get by.

Also, finally got a response from JLW himself after several emails. He has offered to ship me a new complete empty CIS system (version 6) for $55, which I am promptly taking him up on.

I will be strictly using Sam's Club Stratetic ink for everything.

This, for me, represents the best CIS and/or the 'biggest bang for the buck' at present........

[Noahtuck]

I used to have a link to a page that showed where to make a hole and how to refill a stock R200 cart but i looked through all my printer links and can't find it anyone have this link ?

Second, i got an e-mail back from JLWsales, i e-mailed them about my LM cart and wanting a new one, this is what they wrote back,
Dear Sir,
We had a special upgrade program for the user who had our previous system, especially if you are running low on ink, it will be a very good chance to upgrade to our latest system. Please take a look the attachment and give us your feedback.
Thanks

JLW

and basically offered their newest system,

The system upgrade for our previous JLW customer is available as follow special price:

The upgrade price of version 6 CFS empty system is $12.90.

This upgrade must purchase together with the UV photographic ink Set,
6 color x 100ml $8.5 x 6 = $51.00

The total of the upgrade system with UV ink is $63.9.

The typical shipping by Fedex will be $25 to US, $30 to UK.

This upgrade will be the best choice for customer who near use up the ink in their previous
system and in need of refill. The new system currently list on e-bay standard price are $105.00 for new customer.

Customer must provide following information to order the system:
Previous system purchase paypal payments confirm email.
Ebay item number.
Mailing address.

Nothing about a cart replacement....

[tonemgub]

Refill instructions for almost any cart, including the r200 carts can be found at stratitec's website. http://www.stratitec.com/inkrefill/current/cartridgeindex.php

By the way, I purchased some refillables from wholesale ink, but I will hang on to the oems. Any suggestions for cleaning/storing the oems in case I need to use them later?

[poolenglish]

Noah,

THE BEST CIS IS NO CIS! Go with refillable carts with autoreset chips installed. I am so relieved not to have CIS hoses flopping around. I have refilled the refillables once, and still no problems. Sponge (foam) in the cart....who cares....the carts perform. Save yourself a bunch of headaches, buy a set of refillables for backup. Once you start using them... you will not go back to any ContinuiousInkSupply

[macrovision]

well I never!!! Just Kidding! Poolenglish, I don't have hoses flopping around and my CIS really isn't bad however I can understand your feelings about having a headache using a system that takes up more space than what's neccessary(Tanks) but keep in mind that if a person is gonna use it for Bulk production they're gonna need to stop printing at some point and refill when using refillable carts....I couldn't do that because I print like there's no tommorrow (100 DVD's with cases lables in one sitting this week)I print everything after I burn my disc and some of my consumers buy bulk items so I wanna get it over without stopping to refill

Noahtuck, You weren't listening to me but if ou read my post in the jlw cis forum you'll see that I took alot of crap from posting about that cis kit construction....I posted to you that your problem comes from a faulty "O" ring in the outlet port....That "O" ring provides an air-tight seal and keeps the ink in the cart....there isn't suppose to be an "O" ring for this job...it's suppose to be a mechanical spring-loaded valve and your problem is that the ink deteriorated the "O" ring (hardened it and caused it to break)this is why ink leaked out. I had that problem and I'm a Tech so "O" rings aren't new to me and JLW offers everyone that deal....NO GO Dude...He has done better than that for others....Try again!

[Noahtuck]

No,
I was listening, just trying to try and get it to work before ordering parts...

And the thing is, the ones that had ink coming out of them, it was not as soon as i took them out, it was about 4-5 minutes later,
And it was the tanks that work fine in my printer, and they dont leak in my printer.

The LM is the one giving me problems and i banged it on the counter and got nothing out of it yet is does not want to print right on a test page.
So either there is something wacked in that cart, or the print head clogged .

Don't matter now, i just ordered a new CIS system (toppy-jess)
And got an extra replacement cart with the elbow line conector for $3.00.

So i will see if that get the LM to print good... if not, i'll bring it in for warranty as it's only 5-6 months old, if ot fixes the problem i'll get some more new carts and replace them all.

But i don't even care about farting around with JLW...

Edit:
Actually ya know what.... on second thought, i think i will go after him!! 8)

And my point about the tanks was, if the problem was with the O ring on the LM tank, thats why it was not printing good because it was sucking air as you suggested, then why was there no ink leaking out of it even with it out of the printer and then even being banged on the counter to try and get some ink to come out
But i will give him a crank back saying i want way better & see what happens. 8)

Noah,
THE BEST CIS IS NO CIS! Go with refillable carts with autoreset chips installed. I am so relieved not to have CIS hoses flopping around. I have refilled the refillables once, and still no problems. Sponge (foam) in the cart....who cares....the carts perform. Save yourself a bunch of headaches, buy a set of refillables for backup. Once you start using them... you will not go back to any ContinuiousInkSupply

Yeah i was thinking about trying that out also but i'm with mac on this one... in the last 5 months i cant even begin to guess at how many 1000's of dvd's i have run through my R200 and i can run easily 100 dvd's and 100 full page print covers in a week at least. i just ran 30 dvd's and 10 covers through my R300 just tonight.
And having to refill the carts all the time would be a drag & i never had a problem with my lines flopping or getting in the way.
And i have been refilling indavidual the tanks on my 2 canon printers for years so im not new to the single tank refilling either but i don't use my canons like i used my R200 so i like not having to fart around with ink for long periods of time

[dmagic1]

I've gone back and forth twice now.
Right now I'm using some G&G carts with the reset chip from my old black JLW cart.

The only thing I don't like about refill carts is that I have to fill them much more often because of the size. Atleast with the way I have it, I can refill them without removing them from the printer.

I'll probably grow tired in a few weeks and put my JLW with the new carts he sent back in.

If I didn't print such a crazy amount I would stick with the refill carts.

[macrovision]

I know that the Older JLWSALES System is prone to problems and replacing the carts...all the carts is what I've been recommending for quite some time. Noahtuck, If you think it's a clogged print-head issue then try an OEM cart and do a nozzle check(providing you have a cart laying around) but anyway remember to keep carts in your printer even if your cis isn't working because the inlet spikes will dry in turn so will the ik inside the print-head resivour.

Storing OEM carts is easy...Put them in a sandwich bag...the type that seal like Zip-Loc.

Last but not least Noahtuck, If you don't have carts to put in the printer you should clean the inlet spikes with Windex...Very little but it'll take about an half hour.....Use a syringe and sturdy paper towels... Place about 3 small drops around the base of the spike your gonna clean and use the paper towel to asorb the fluid...it should be colored...Then put a few drops at the top of that same inlet spike(Carefully) and asborb the fluid when it runs to the bottom of that inlet spike. Do this to every inlet spike until no more color comes from them and afterwards put a few drops on the top of each spike and this time don't asborb it....Just leave it like that but get carts into the printer ASAP! EDIT


BTW, Here's what JLWSALES offered me: From: Sales <sales@jlwsales.com> [Add to Address Book] Flag Message | Mark Unread

To: :P :P :P :P
Subject: RE: Question for eBay item #5203327954 - EPSON R200 R300 R320 R500 Continuous bulk ink system
Date: Jun 4, 2005 5:51 PM
Greetings,

The new style R200 dye ink replacement cartridge is $5.5/each x 6 = $33 + shipping $7 = $40, you can pay direct to paypal at jlwcheckout@yahoo.com, thanks.



JLW

[Noahtuck]

Last but not least Noahtuck, If you don't have carts to put in the printer you should clean the inlet spikes with Windex...Very little but it'll take about an half hour.....Use a syringe and sturdy paper towels... Place about 3 small drops around the base of the spike your gonna clean and use the paper towel to asorb the fluid...it should be colored...Then put a few drops at the top of that same inlet spike(Carefully) and asborb the fluid when it runs to the bottom of that inlet spike. Do this to every inlet spike until no more color comes from them and afterwards put a few drops on the top of each spike and this time don't asborb it....Just leave it like that but get carts into the printer ASAP! EDIT

Yep, already tried that 2 days ago and yesterday (i posted about it a few posts ago) :P but no deal.... still does the same thing.
& yep, i have always kept the carts in my printer, still have the JLW kit in it.

My new toppy-jess system for my R300 will be here in 2 days, i paid for it last night and the dude said he would have it shipped first thing this morning and when i get that i will also have a replacement cart for the LM in the R200 JLW system.

And when i install the new one in my R300 i was already planning on using the stock carts from thet to test my R200 to see if it printed the LM correctly, if it does not i will be trying the windex trick again.

[macrovision]

Noahtuck, Let me know if it doesn't print with the stock carts however I believe it will. (Going on a hunch from my experience with the older JLWSALES CIS SYSTEM). If it doesn't I'll give you some suggestions that helped me but they're not gonna be posted by me because I don't wanna see any post simular to one made earlier this month....Someone may read my post, then try it and make a really bad move without questioning whether or not it would give the results they wanted. So in the event of a no-go PM me. LOL!

[kydar]

I just bought an R300 and would like to get a CIS for it. This thread is getting awfully long...I've read several of the posts but I don't have the time or energy to sift thru 18 pages of posts....so can someone tell me, has there been any consensus about which CIS's are good and which to avoid? I would like to buy the best one I can find, both in terms of the quality of the hardware (cartridges, tanks, etc) and the quality of the ink (archival quality, as close a match to Epson OEM colors as possible).

Thanks!

[macrovision]

Well Kydar, I say that our fellow forumist with R300's have been using the toppy-jess systems for a few months without incident...You may want to check the links posted by Bidefordboy on page 1 of this forum...as for Ink....Stratitec is the best I've seen....try the links given on the last 4-5 pages of this forum. http://www.samsclub.com You'll have to pay $35 to join but the ink is dirt-cheap. Approx $10 for 510ml of each color...That's 510ml x 6....like 3,060ml for $60 and the quality is the best I've seen and I've been using that ink for about 6mo's with no problems!

[kydar]

http://www.samsclub.com You'll have to pay $35 to join but the ink is dirt-cheap.

I dunno, I would tend to be pretty wary of anything sold at Sam's Club. Consumer-grade is bad enough, but bulk consumer-grade?? Can't be archival quality. Thanks anyway though.

[macrovision]

Well if you got it like that then you should goto MIS Associates for ink....It will cost an Arm,Leg and maybe a Hip! I've used Stratitec from day one and my pictures have been complimented as "Looks as if they're taken with a film camera"...These compliments have come from more than one source however http://www.inksupply.com is good or try http://www.weink.com
LOL! R.R.

[bidefordboy]

Well Mac, have been using your mod since you posted it & it has been working great............until today .
Did a nozzle check as I usually do before printing. The black had some broken lines so I printed a black purge sheet, did another nozzle check, the black was still wrong & the yellow had gone altogether .
Tried another couple of purge prints, still the same. So decided to re-connect the hose to the pad & do a head clean. After about 1 hour & half a pack of cig's later I had it on again. ( Next time will be much easier now I have the knack)
Had to do three head cleans & let it rest for half an hour before I got a good nozzle check. But I have decided to leave the hose connected to the pad & remove the green lined hose instead. There are a couple of plastic pins on the right hand side of the pad & I think with continually removing the pad these could easily get broken. A replacement pad would probably cost half as much as the printer.
But it was great that you came up with this idea Mac. I wonder if anyone else would have had the courage to remove the hose.
Keep us updated with any new developments.

[Noahtuck]

Noahtuck, Let me know if it doesn't print with the stock carts however I believe it will. (Going on a hunch from my experience with the older JLWSALES CIS SYSTEM). If it doesn't I'll give you some suggestions that helped me but they're not gonna be posted by me because I don't wanna see any post simular to one made earlier this month....Someone may read my post, then try it and make a really bad move without questioning whether or not it would give the results they wanted. So in the event of a no-go PM me. LOL!

Got the toppy-jess CIS today and after putting it in my R300 i took the stock carts out and dropped them into my R200 and after sitting for awhile and a few power cleanings the LM is still printing broken so it has to be a clogged head.

I am trying the windex trick again to ssee if i can get it cleared.

Let me know what it is you were thinking of trying.

EDIT:
not even going to go into those old JLW carts those things leaked so much ink when i took them out!!!!!!! gonna just get new carts for all the colors as soon as i get my LM unclogged

[poolenglish]

noah,

for clogged head;
I squirted windex, very ,very small amount in the top of the cart prong...where the cart sits... with cart removed..... pressurized with needle removed in syringe , it worked for me, with the problems you say. Best of luck.

[bidefordboy]

Noahtuck,
Good luck with your Topp-Jess system. If you set it up exactly as I have set up mine you should'nt have any problems. I would suggest that you use insulating tape to hold the grey T piece on the printer housing. The sticky pads could dry out over time & come loose, and if they do in the middle of a print job it would be nasty.