The Best CIS ?

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Hey bidefordboy, You have the R300 Epson, don't ya? Could you please post pictures of your installation of your CIS tubes mount? I think I saw somewhere or heard Mac say you mounted your ink tanks on the left side. If so, it sure would help me if you would do this.
Thanks buddy!

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Hey bidefordboy, No problem!!! I figured it out and got it!

Mahalo just the same!

[tonemgub]

Ok, Just to clarify:

The clear tube w/green stripe is NOT the same clear tube w/green stripe in the back, where the waste bottle attaches?

[thespook]

I have done all the modifications so far for my R300 and cis, the waste ink tank and the Mac cleaning one, but like mac said it would be nice to be able to have the printer do a cleaning cycle when you wanted it to do one.
So today I modified the small pipe that comes from the waste ink pad, I found a very small plastic T piece and some small diameter silicon tubing, I got these from a model aircraft shop. I removed the waste ink pad and connected the T piece to the small black tube, another piece of tube to the T piece and reconnected it to the waste ink pad where the black pipe was, then connected another longer piece of tubing to the T piece and run it underneath the waste ink pad and out the back of the printer with the waste ink tank pipe, on the end of this tube I have a plastic bung, I just leave the bung out and when the printer goes through a cleaning cycle no wasted ink, put the bung in and do a cleaning cycle and the ink runs to my waste ink tank. So now I only waste ink when I feel it needs to do a proper clean, and as the tube to the waste ink pad is a bit longer it makes it very easy to pull the pad and clean it.
It works very well

[dmagic1]

I just discovered something.

Did you guys know that there is actually only one chip that resets all the other chips?

The black chip can actually reset all the other chips. I discovered this when I was going to transfer my reset chips from my old JLW to normal generic carts. These carts I was using as refill carts. The black chip has a special circuit on it but all the reset are normal chips. I replaced just the black chip and all the others reset perfectly.

I don't know if this is old news but its new to me. Why pay a ton for six chips if you only need that one.

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I have done all the modifications so far for my R300 and cis, the waste ink tank and the Mac cleaning one, but like mac said it would be nice to be able to have the printer do a cleaning cycle when you wanted it to do one.
So today I modified the small pipe that comes from the waste ink pad, I found a very small plastic T piece and some small diameter silicon tubing, I got these from a model aircraft shop. I removed the waste ink pad and connected the T piece to the small black tube, another piece of tube to the T piece and reconnected it to the waste ink pad where the black pipe was, then connected another longer piece of tubing to the T piece and run it underneath the waste ink pad and out the back of the printer with the waste ink tank pipe, on the end of this tube I have a plastic bung, I just leave the bung out and when the printer goes through a cleaning cycle no wasted ink, put the bung in and do a cleaning cycle and the ink runs to my waste ink tank. So now I only waste ink when I feel it needs to do a proper clean, and as the tube to the waste ink pad is a bit longer it makes it very easy to pull the pad and clean it.
It works very well

Hey Spook! Sounds good. I also thought about doing something simular only using fish tank fitting or a regular auto parts store has small fittings for vacumne connections & windshield washer fittings. 1 question for you though, what is a Bung?

DMagic1, Where is this black chip or, are do you mean the chip on the black cartridge? I'm not sure of what you are saying.
Thanks

[dmagic1]

Yes the chip that is on the black cart.

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OK, so the way I understand is...You can leave all regular chips on all EXCEPT use a "auto reset chip" on the black cartridge. If this is what you are saying, then that would be fantastic But I am afried to try it, don't know if it could ruin the printer.
Please do let us know if this is actually what you did
Thanks!

[macrovision]

I wanted to hide out for a few more days but this is too tempting. I was gonna mod my pump hose making it two parts....One part connected to the wastepad going out the trap door...the other part from the pump. Connecting the two tubes will allow auto-clean and modding the pad with verelco would allow me to pull the pad only leaving the holder in the printer but I'm comfortable with the way it's going....2 weeks and no problems....I've done everything from DVD lables to DVD Case lables to pictures....not a drop of wasted ink on them...no smudges, No lines...They're perfect and NO WASTED INK! Thanks Mac!

[thespook]

Hey Spook! Sounds good. I also thought about doing something simular only using fish tank fitting or a regular auto parts store has small fittings for vacumne connections & windshield washer fittings. 1 question for you though, what is a Bung?

Sorry about that (typical english term) a bung is just a stopper in the end of the tube to make it air tight.

[bidefordboy]

I agree. Thanks Mac
Been using your mod now since day one, printer is working great, perfect nozzle checks.
Was a bit concerned that the ink would seep through the outlet pipe from the waste ink trough with the hose disconnected, so the last time I cleaned the pad I put a small wad of tissue at the bottom of the spring before re-installing it. Have just removed the pad to check & the tissue is still spotless. So obviouselly the viscosity of the ink is such that it needs the suction from the pump to pull it through the pipe. So no problems there.
The only improvement would be a way of removing the pad for cleaning without having to remove the holder. But I know your working on that Mac .

@thespook
Great idea spook, will have a go at that when I can get the parts.

[macrovision]

"We" Have to love the way Epson made these printers...I mean the fact that water conducts electricity and it will definitly short surface mount parts out and the ink is water based. Basically the bottom of these printers are lined with porous padding to asorb the ink but after a while they will not hold anymore liquids and they'll leak, So hence the waste ink counter. However I disagree with putting the consumer at risk by counting on a waste ink counter to shut the unit down before it oveflows with liquids that are primarily there because of greed... so we have proven by disconnecting the pump and of course it could have been built like every other inkjet printer only to clean when asked! FYI...In the old days the parts were on one side of the circuitboard and the soldering was on the other side...now parts are on both sides of the circuit board and alike they're soldered on the same side they're mounted on. This is called surface mounting in electronics. Happy 4th everyone!

[Brudha]

I've spent a few hours reading over this posting. I don't understand what the fascination is with cleaning the waste ink pad. Can't you just disconnect the clear tube with green stripe and be done with it unless you need to do a nozzle cleaning?

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I've spent a few hours reading over this posting. I don't understand what the fascination is with cleaning the waste ink pad. Can't you just disconnect the clear tube with green stripe and be done with it unless you need to do a nozzle cleaning?

Yes, you can do that, but some of us like keeping it clean as possible inside. And poolenglish's carts are sponge type & as far as the air bubbles you say you can see in his (i don't) they will rise to the top & disapate (sp), where as originals might not, plus, you can't see in the originals so you wouldn't know if there were a problem inside. They beat the heck out of original carts & he must like them or he wouldn't have bought another set. I think I'm going that route soon, only with spongeless. Personally, I'm happy that I found both of these threads & sure some others are also.
Hope this helps.

[Brudha]

My point exactly. Why go with sponges or foam when they're known to be susceptible to aggravating clogging down the road? So, which ones of these are the route to go now?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6782279567&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6781265944&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6783030244&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

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Brudha, I've looked at all 3 in the past week & I think they are all pretty equale. And I think I'de go with the least expensive, which appears to be the free shipping. I know he is fairly new to selling, but looks good to me.
I think poolenglish went with those he bought as I don't know that he had a choice with or without foam. Plus he was very satisfied whit the seller and I also had done some business with that seller on a CIS system & I was very happy with him also.
Hope this helps & let us know how it goes, OK?
Thanks

PS: A couple of months ago, I was not concerned wither my carts had foan or not as I had already been refilling my own for at least 2 years. And I never had a problem with foam, just too darn messy. Knowing what I know now, I deffinent would go spongeless.

[Brudha]

Like, thanks for the info. Also looking at getting another CIS system to replace the original JLW that conked out after 8 months of use. The cyan cartridge just will not work. I've tried everything imaginable. I believe the chip is shot. In any event, I will not try to fix the cartridge but would consider upgrading the cartridges. Does anyone know if these would do the trick:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1246&item=5213715563

mated with these:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6783030244&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

If I have to go with a complete new system, then is there any reason to go with a system that's already pre-filled when the Sam's Club Stratetic ink is so cheap? Anyone have any real world experience or can offer any insight with any of these:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6782235740&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6779731995&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6780884713&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

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Brudha, I suggest that you do like may others and E-mail Jlwsales about your CIS...make it gorry and good....."I can believe the way It stopped in the middle of a print job...it was working so beautifully and I depend on this system...can you please help?"...JLW has been known to have a heart and send spongeless replacement carts for free but you'll have to pay the shipping. As for cleaning the waste pad...The printer monitors the carraige movement with a timing technique....Ink on the guide post of the wastepad holder will slow the movement causing the printer to give a "Fatal" error message better known as "GENERAL ERROR"..It's easy to service if your not the faint at heart in disassembly however it can be prevented by maintenance of the waste-pad..And further more "we" discovered how to bite Epson back in the *ss by disconnecting the wastepad pump so our printers never "Auto-clean"...We know how to clean the nozzles so why do we need an "Auto-clean cycle?" LOL!

[thespook]

Just a update on my modifacation, I got a bit worried as I noticed that when I tell the pinter to do a clean the small tube that extends out of the back of the printer (the one with the bung in it) ink accumulates in it, but when you remove the bung and the printer does a auto clean no ink comes out of the tube, it just seems to get sucked back up the tube.

[bidefordboy]

@thespook

When you connected the T piece to the waste pad & to the waste bottle & the pipe with the bung in it, is the connection from the pad to the bottle in a staight line ?. Was just thinking that perhaps the ink is finding the easiest route out. Also, when you removed the bung & performed another head clean did any ink come out of the pipe to the waste bottle ?. These are just some immediate thoughts, as your idea of using a T piece from the waste pad would seem to be ideal.

[thespook]

The T piece is not connected to the waste ink bottle, in effect all I did was put a small piece of tubbing between the waste ink pad and the small black tube. I thought that only air was being drawn down the small black tube so I did not see any need to connect it to the waste ink bottle, but in fact there is a small amount of ink that gets sucked into the pipe. When you think about it, it makes sense, the small black tube is sucking the ink into a reservoir and then it is pumped to the waste ink bottle, so you will always get some ink in the small black tube (when the bung is in) but when I remove the bung the ink seems to be sucked back up the tube. I think over a period of time I will get some ink run out of the tube so I will have to keep a eye on it. I might connect another small bottle to it via another T piece just in case. If I am not careful its going to look like a plate of spaghetti behind the printer.

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Funny Spook....Today I was in Manhattan...Chinatown to be exact.....I remembered a store there but couldn't find it last week and my laptop needs the USB ports replaced so I was looking for a electronics parts store but I ended up passing by the store I was looking for last week.....A Tubing store? WOW! Nothing but tubing? Damn! Yep! Nothing but tubing. I found the exact tubing for the waste pad....Exact! 1/16" x 1/32" and it's so flexible it's like spaghetti. 2 feet for 90 cents. Well I inquired about the valve I needed. The guy was puzzled. So I explained the problem with the printer. The guy denied knowing about anything...even tubing! Just Kidding! He stated that this tubing is so small that I was gonna have problems finding a valve that small and he didn't carry fittings for tubing this small so I'll be ordering parts from a scientific company that sells parts to the EPA for air analysis

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8) You know what guys, I think the easiest way is just leave the tube with the green line off till you need a nozzle clean, which looks like now, NEVER! And then ever so often, pull the waste pad for cleaning. But, then again, I'm gonna let you, Mac, come up with the goodys to do it right and let you tell us where to get 'em

HANG IN THERE MAC Am I mean or what? LOL

[macrovision]

Yeah... I got most of the pieces for my mod but NEVER seems true but just for kicks I bought this ultra flexible tubing and because it's longer I'm gonna connect it and never have to struggle with a little tube for the wastepad

[thespook]

Another update. I raised the piece of tube coming out of the back of the printer (the one with the bung in) about 4 inches and found that when the printer cleans yes the ink runs into this tube but as soon as you take the bung out the ink will flow back down and go into the waste ink bottle, so at the moment it is working well. Bung in full clean, bung out no wasted ink.

[macrovision]

I've just completed most of my task....About 75 Full faced color DVD's with labels and it took me about a week(because I had to extract video,transport,work,and deliver). I printed everything from my modded R200 and used about 10ml of ink from a 40ml tank system. Everything went smooth until I hit #72.....I got lines on the case label so I did a nozzle check and a few bars were missing. Considering the fact that I didn't clean my wastepad for about 2 weeks and my CIS kit has been only 90% efficient I wont blame the printer or the mod. I reconnected the waste pump hose and did a head clean....rinsed the wastepad and Viola! Perfection once again!Thanks Epson and Printonadime....You've been a real pain in my *ss and my wallet. *$#*^^%# !!!! Anyway I've been thinking about using the parts from my printonadime kit to repair my old JLWSALES kit because the tanks are better and I don't have a need for two CIS kits at the present time. ??????

[Noahtuck]

Okay,
well i'm gonna get a new CIS for my new R300 and figure either the
wholesale ink system or the toppy-jess.

My old sponge JWLsales LM tank on my R200 must be clogged and i can't get it unclogged.
It's about 5 months old now.

Any Suggestions ?

[bidefordboy]

Hi Noahtuck,
I have this same system which I purchased from Toppy-Jess. The only problem was that the chip's did not reset to 90% as stated in his ad on ebay. He said the manufacturer had supplied the wrong chip's & made up for it by sending me an exrta set of ink's free. Other than that the system has been working perfectly for the last 10 weeks & I have no complaints.
The system sold by Wholesale ink is the same, only he say's that the chip's reset to 99% to avoid recharging the carts each time they reset.
Whether any of these new chip's work I cannot say, as no one has left any reports here. But I would email the seller of the system you are thinking of buying, to verify that the chip's work as promised. At least then you will have some evidence if you need to complain later.
If the chip's do not work as promised you can alway's use the 'Mac Mod'.

[Noahtuck]

Cool!!!

I was thinking of the toppy-jess but he does not have any listed right now and i already have to go get another black cart (which i hate to do) but i guess i will to at least use up the rest of my color carts for my R300, i go through black about 3-4 times as fast as color on my R200......

I just e-mailed JLWsales about my light magenta cart to see if i could get a new one as i can't get it unclogged... i can see the ink going through the tube when i do a power cleaning but it won't print that color good now on the test page

And from everything i have read it seem's to be the color cart that seem's to have problems And i know mine is the setup with the sponge still in the carts....

[Brudha]

I believe there has been a picture posted showing the original JLW cartridges do not have foam in them, they are completely hollow inside except for a little filter covering the outlet.