Recommended AviSynth Filters for the Following

[Soopafresh]

I bought the PAL version of the recently "remastered"<-LOL Stones- Rock and Roll Circus, hoping that the video quality would be better than the original release. Nope. Based on the following stills, any recommendations to 'better' it?



The only way I can describe the above grain is "swimmy". It moves as though it is a series of big "blobs". Oh, and nice deterioration on the top of the frame, eh? I don't mind some grain, but this stuff is distracting.



I intend to re-author to NTSC DVD. Do i need to Inverse Telecine as well ? Thanks in advance.

BTW, the performance by The Who is spectacular.

[Kunta Kinte]

Yeesh! Why would you want to?

[Soopafresh]

I agree that the Yoko performances are fast forwards, but there is some cool rock history there. Nice seeing Clapton playing a Gibson ES-335 as well. Anyone know where I can get one of those crochet coats?

[lordsmurf]

I made a better version from an NTSC VHS tape, proc amp, JVC VCR, DR-1000 detailer, and did not even need noise reduction.

That DVD release sucks compared to what I made.

[Soopafresh]

I just can't believe they wouldn't do something as simple as crop a tad from the top to reduce the film decay appearance.

[vhelp]

I just can't believe they wouldn't do something as simple as crop
a tad from the top to reduce the film decay appearance.

Probably to give it, it's originality look. And, also because it was
probably ruled that any further enhancements would add (worsen) to the
look. I'm just guessing. But, they probably didn't have the funds,
must like they have for the first three "ST episodes".
.
I'm sure they could have fixed it up a little.

Oh, and these are probably interlaced, not film. So, no sense on trying
to apply any IVTC methods. Just encode as Interlace, unless you are
also hoping to play on your PC

-vhelp 3265

[Soopafresh]

You can listen to the director, Michael Lindsay Hogg, on one of the alternate audio tracks. He mentions the Nagra film canisters were stored in a barn for 20 years and were only discovered after the death of Stones roadie Ian Stewart. Yet The Who documentary 'The Kids Are Alright' has the Rock and Roll Circus performance and that particular movie was released in 1980.

[Soopafresh]

An update, ran the file through several (mainly) AviSynth filters, and cropped a tad from the top to mask some of the film damage. Generally, the whole movie looks a whole lot better. Here's a small example:

Unprocessed:



Processed with AviSynth plugin FFT3D and VagueDenoiser

[lordsmurf]

I don't see a difference. It only looks like the "processed" one got a shade darker.

[Soopafresh]

How DARE you ? Yeah, not the best example of before and after. You can see the enhancements in the moving portions - the "swimming" backgrounds are much cleaner. Still room for improvement, but I think the grain is there to stay. Can't remove too much without it looking over processed. I might ask the AviSynth guys at Doom9 to make some suggestions.

[ronnylov]

Have you tried DegrainMedian filter in Avisynth?
It's good at removing grain but it will be a little bit softer after filtering.

But at normal playback is the noise really annoying on a TV? Denoising too much will make it washed out and "plastic". Well you already said that, it might be overprocessed.

Most of the time I try denoise filters I end up with getting the best result after compression by using no filters at all...

[The_Doman]

But at normal playback is the noise really annoying on a TV? Denoising too much will make it washed out and "plastic".

Yeah, have to agree with that,
I always prefer a little noise instead off filtering everything out and make it look unnatural clean and plastic.

[Soopafresh]

Thanks for the suggestions. Yes, I did try DegrainMedian, but it seemed to shave off too much detail. There's a Denoise script posted which integrates several degrainers and denoisers, but the author warns of encodes taking so long they can be clocked on a calendar.