Pioneer DVR220 Chapters and Titles Dilemma! Simple Question?

[Razortceps]

Hey I recorded 2 Bulls games since I got my recorder. The first one I recorded, I did it on a Timed Setting see while I was hanging out with my friends. When I set it up, I went through and told the Recorder the date, from what time to what time I wanted the item recorded, the channel, the speed, and then right at the bottom right corner of setting up everything it says "Ttl Name Input." So I clicked there and then typed in "Bulls Vs Bobcats." After I recorded it, I noticed while reading more pages ahead in the manual (pg 70 in partuicular), that if you want to actually give your DVD a title; after your done recording, what you have to do is go "Disc Setup". From there you go to Basic>Input Disc Name>Next Screen. So once again I entered "Bulls VS Bobcats" there. Then I finalized the disc. Afterwards I popped it in to see how it looked. And it had the Title "Bulls Vs Bobcats" and the chapter name was "Bulls VS Bobcats." So Im like cool that works for me.

Then when I recorded the second game, I did not do a timed setting, because I happened to be home. So I never ended up typing the Title in the "Ttl Name Input" section of the timed recording setting, because I figured all I had to do was go to page 70 and go though the Disc Setup feature like I did before. And I did just that entering Bulls Vs Cavaliers in the Basic>Input Disc Name>Next Screen section. Then after I finalized it and went to see how it looked, it said "Bulls Vs Cavaliers" in the Title box. However, in the chapter box it said "NBA on TNT". It did this on both discs. Yes, I recorded the game on two discs in SP mode, because I thought the LP mode was horrible the night before which I recorded the other game in. So it was like a fluke or anything, it did the same exact thing on both discs.

*On a couple of side notes, I recorded in Video Mode and on DVD-Rs and I have Analog Cable*

So with the above known is there a way to just have the Title and Chapter to have the same name the next time I record? Or is the only way to do it if I do a Timed Recording? I think it would be ridiculous to have to do a Timed Recording everytime to get the same Title and Chapter, but so be it if that is the cause. However, if its not, could you tell me how I could change the chapter name before or after I make the recording. In fact, thats what Id really like to be able to do. Id like to have the Title to be the name of the two teams playing each other and the Chapter be named "First Half" for the first disc and "Second Half" for the second disc. Alright well if anyone could help me out with this dilemma, Id very much appericate it.

[Frobozz]

It's easy to do.
When you typed in the program name in the Timer you were giving that recording a name. Otherwise the Pioneer places a name it receives from the cable channel itself (if the channel sends one; otherwise you get a generic name that identifies the time and channel you did the recording).

You can change this name for each program you record by going to the Navigator window and choosing and choosing the Ttl Name option.

What you have entered is the title for the disc, not the program on the disc.

[Razortceps]

Thanks for all your help, I have a couple of questions about the things you said just so Im sure that I know what Im doing.

It's easy to do.
When you typed in the program name in the Timer you were giving that recording a name. Otherwise the Pioneer places a name it receives from the cable channel itself (if the channel sends one; otherwise you get a generic name that identifies the time and channel you did the recording).

You can change this name for each program you record by going to the Navigator window and choosing and choosing the Ttl Name option.

What you have entered is the title for the disc, not the program on the disc.

So when you said:

"When you typed in the program name in the Timer you were giving that recording a name."

You meant that I was giving the Chapter a name?

Then you went on to say:

"You can change this name for each program you record by going to the Navigator window and choosing and choosing the Ttl Name option."

You kinda cut off. I underlined the part that you cut off on. So Choosing what to get to Ttl Name Option? Sorry, Id check myself but I dont have an unfinalized disc that I recorded on where it would let me view this area, its grayed out.

And if I am correct this is for the Chapter name right? Not the Title where you would go to Disc Setup>Basic>Input Disc Name>Next Screen?

Finally one other side question to go with all this. Lets hop of the note of basketball games. Lets say I recorded two 1 hour shows on a disc in SP mode (2hr length). And from there I gave it Title to the disc. How would I give each show a seperate name on the Chapter list?

Ok thanks again guys. All of you on this site are a great help to my new exploration of DVD recording, among other questions I have relating to Audio and Video stuff :P

[Guitarman]

Any editing needs to be done before finalizing, except for a -RW disc. RW's can be unfinalized.

The key is to define Chapter, Recording and Disc.

When you go to the navigator, you are seeing the 'Recordings", not "Chapters". Each recording can have chapters in it but they will not show up on any menu. You have to get to chapters just by playing the recording and using the chapter forward and back buttons to access them.

As far as naming, you can not name chapters, only recordings and discs.

To name the recording, you go to the navigator and select "Ttl Name", select the recording you want to name (if there are more than one on the disc) and enter the name you want. If you are setting a timer setting, as you know, you can pre-name the recording while setting the timer.

To name the disc, go to "Disc Setup" and choose "Ttl Name" and type in the name you want.

What happens, if you have more than one recording on the disc, when you finalize the disc and select a menu type, the disc name is at the top of the menu and the recording names are in the contents of the menu. There is no chapter menu.

TIP: Before finalizing the the disc, go through the finalizing process until you get to the screen that shows you what the menu will look like that you selected. This is where you can see the titles in there proper places. If the titles are to long for the provided space, they will rap to the next line (2 lines max I think) and not at a space. It will rap in the middle of a word. If you have a title rapping in the middle of a word, go back to the title naming screen and insert spaces before the word that was split. This will move the word(s) down to the next line. Once you have done this a couple of times, you will learn how many letters you can fit per line and be able to add the spaces ahead of time.

[Frobozz]

I think Guitarman answered your questions. Pioneer calls each program you record a "Title". That's why page 58 of the manual instructs you how to edit Title names. Page 70 of the manual describes how to "Input disc name," which you already know how to do.

As Guitarman stated, the Disc name applies to the disc whereas the title names apply to each different program on the disc. In your case you only have one program or Title.

Regarding the naming of the first half and second half of a football game on two different DVDs you have several options. I'd name the disc with the description of who was playing. I'd then name the one title as 1st Half and the date of the game and the other Title 2nd Half and the date of the game.

The Finalized menu will show 16 characters of text for each of the two lines. You need to insert spaces so the lines break where you want them to, as Guitarman pointed out.

[Razortceps]

Thank you oh so very much for that detailed answer to my question. I learned a lot and also became familiar with a lot of terminology at the same time. Id be lost without you man. Thanks again

[Razortceps]

Really quick one thing I did forget to ask, from what I got from you while you cant name the chapters, you also cant edit the start and finish points of chapters either. You either pick the 10 or 15 auto chapter inserts that the DVD offers or you dont take any at all. There is no other option. correct? A simple yes or no answer will do (unless the answer is no and you wouldnt mind explaining the process if its offered), I dont want to take anymore of your time after you were already kind enough to go that in depth with your previous answer. Thank you very much once again.

Tim

[Frobozz]

Yes, unless you record to a VR mode DVD-RW. With the latter you can place chapter markers wherever you like. If you don't plan to play the DVD on anything other than the Pioneer recorder (and possible some other Pioneer players) recording in VR mode is a good alternative.

[Razortceps]

Well I think Im just going to stay with the DVD-Rs then, cause I do want to be able to play the discs in other recorders. If one day I do decide to switch over to DVD-RWs is editing the chapter spacing that complicated for a newbie like myself? Simple yes or no will do fine, you dont have to take me through the process since I dont intend to use it just yet. Also do you think in the future like in a 1 or 2 years from now that this VR mode will be compatiable with the majority of DVD players out at the time. Or do you think that it will strictly be for Pioneer and if your lucky maybe only a couple of non-pioneer brands will be able ot play them? Thanks.

Tim

[Frobozz]

1. Yes it is easy to learn to make chapter markers.
2. No, VR-mode DVD-RW will never be more than it is for compatibility.

[Guitarman]

To clarify VR mode, this is from BurnWorld.com and explains both DVD+VR and DVD-VR and what it means.

Looking at the current DVD trend, the two major usage for recording on DVDs are Data Backups and Video Recording. With the massive storage space available on a DVD, it is easy to back up a great deal of data and is ideal for producing DVD movies, due to MPEG-2's large file size. But one problem with DVD burning is that the process is relatively slow; especially in comparison to CD burning. As well, because DVDs can hold up to 4.7 GB worth of data, it is unlikely that the average person will use up all of that capacity at one time. So this brings us to the new DVD Video Recording (VR) format. A format which gives you the flexibility to produce fully editable DVD movies!

What is DVD VR and What can you do with it?

In short, DVD VR is a format that enables you to produce a DVD movie that can be edited. A DVD produced in VR format will allow you to add new video contents, change menu backgrounds, insert chapters, split video clips and even remove unwanted video segments (as long as you have enough space available on the disc). And as more DVD authoring applications are adopting the new VR standard, like CyberLink's PowerProducer 2, you will be able to easily record, edit, and playback your DVD movie creations.

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Where can you find VR Technology

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[Razortceps]

"However, with DVD+VR format the discs created can be played on DVD+RW compatible devices "and" home DVD players."

Hmmm that DVD+VR mode is nice since it says it works on most Dvd players compared to the DVD-VR which dont work on other players. Is there any Pioneer players out that Have DVD-R and DVD+RWs, cause Im guessing if you were to record in +VR mode then youd have to have a +RW disc. I know Sony makes a recorder that does DVD-R DVD-RW DVD+R DVD+RW DVD-RAM and DVD-VR DVD+VR but thats $399. Yikes!

[Frobozz]

All the Pioneer models only write to DVD-R and DVD-RW. New models are scheduled soon but there is no mention in the news release about support for burning to +R or +RW media. I very much doubt this will be possible.

[Guitarman]

If you look at the file structure on a DVD+VR disc (+r/rw), you can see that it still follows the directory and naming conventions of a standard video DVD. This is why it is compatible with most players. The file structure on a DVD-VR disc (-r/rw) is a completely different standard, therefore very few (mostly Pioneer) players will recognize and play them.