Tmpgenc vs CCE

[dipstick]

winifreid wrote:

You say it only outputs TFF, but if that were the case you would be limited to inputs that were TFF. I think you can uncheck the TFF box.

Yes it only outputs TFF. You can input BFF (such as all DV-Camcorder footage that is interlaced). But now you have two choices.

1) You can set the Offset Line to 1, this will clip the top scan line wich will make your BFF footage into TFF.

2) You can leave the Offset line @ 0, then send the M-peg through Restream and manually change the Field Order flag back to BFF where it belongs.

I prefere the second method, because I like all my M-pegs to have the same Field Order incase I ever want to re-edit them at some time in the distant future. Another reason is that I don't like the idea of cliping a scan line if I don't have to.

Of couse if your source is Progressive or Interlaced TFF, then there is no problem.

[supergoku]

Can CCE support RM, RMVB convert to vcd, svcd, dvd or avi?

[Gurm]

Can CCE support RM, RMVB convert to vcd, svcd, dvd or avi?

ARGH!

C'mon, you just HAD to push my buttons in this thread, huh?

Give up the RM -> DVD quest. Just go get those videos in a non-RM source. Real is the DEVIL. SATAN. LUCIFER.

[thor300]

supergoku, for RM to DVD you should go via AVI. Use RM Converter to convert to avi, from the dropdown list under "compress" i would choose for example HuffYUV or Microsoft YUV codec for fast processing with very low loss. Then load that AVI into CCE.

[reboot]

Yeah, take an already compressed crappy source RM, then recompress it to another lossy format in avi, then try and recover any watchability by again compressing to mpeg-2. Sure, go ahead

[thor300]

Soooorry for offending you reboot, didnt know Huffy and YUV was so crappy. Whats your statement based on anyway?. What about this: Let people do what ever they like to do without you and gurm interfering with posts that is not intended for helping.

[dipstick]

Huffyuv is a lossless compression codec. Microsoft dv-avi is not however.

[reboot]

OK, sorry. My point was, RM is a terrible format. Trying to make a DVD from it, is a waste of a disk, unless you want to put about 10 hours per dvdr, at 1/4D1 maybe.
Take the already overcompressed RM format, and go to avi. Even with Huffuyv, you can't improve the source. Now go to mpeg-2. I can almost guarantee you won't be happy with the results.
You could TRY going from RM to 1/4D1 DVD (set custom mpeg-2) in WinAVI video converter (the only one I know of that will do direct RM -> DVD).
Just because Gurm and I tend to tell it like it is sometimes, maybe that's not tactful, but it's honest

[propman07]

Neither. I'll take Canopus Procoder or Mainconcept Mpeg Encoder over both of those.
Tmpgenc is far from the best, it's simply the most talked about.

reboot-

I'm curious...which one of these would you recommend to a newbie?

[reboot]

If you have the coin, get Canopus Procoder, although Procoder Express is only $59 and is supposedly as good (I've never used express).
It's easier to use than tmpgenc, and produces excellent results.
Mainconcept requires tweaking, and has as many (if not more) options than tmpgenc, but it can do in single pass, what it takes tmpgenc 2 passes, to do at about the same quality, in less than half the time.
For simplicity and quality get Canopus Procoder Express.

[thor300]

Huffyuv is a lossless compression codec. Microsoft dv-avi is not however.

That must be why noone mentioned Microsoft DV codec. I was refering to the YUV codec listed in RM Converter, its a colorspace compression only. Been using it a few times on a TV card for timeshifting, it produce much bigger files than DV, thats why i think its just a colorspace compression.

[thor300]

reboot, this guy obviously WANT to put RM on DVD, and unless you put too many hours onto 1 DVD there shouldnt be any visible quality loss. You are most probably right that its already bad quality, but it wont get visible worse when going via Huffy to a high bitrate low resolution VBR DVD. The bigger problem is that most RMs are very low framerate, so for example AviSynths ConvertFPS() will blur it a little in those cases.

[TBoneit]

Owning CCE Basic, TMPGEnc Plus, & TMPGEnc Express.

I Find myself using Plus the most, & Express next trailed way back by CCE Basic.

More or less I:
CCE Basic for captures from my ADVC 100

Plus for most things. Easy to create a custom template and then re-use that template.. Takes the least time for me to setup and Batch encode.

Express for PAL to NTSC DVDs, Anything I want AC3 Audio & Anytime I want to take several clips and output 1 DVD ready clip.

I looked at mainconcept and it seems to handle mp3 audio better.

Cheers

[reboot]

@thor300 I suppose the best option would be to use Winavi, direct from RM to dvd.
Yes, an intermediate avi would allow for editing.
Because of the low quality (and usually small aspect) of RM to begin with, I suggested 1/4D1 to avoid major resizing. At a bitrate of about SVCD (2000 or so) he could get about 6 hours per dvdr.
There's no point in resizing up, and there's no point in using more bitrate than absolutely necessary to get the product in about the same quality as the source.
If framerate conversion is needed, avisynth would be best, but probably way too confusing for a beginner. Virtualdub may work better in this case, unless it can be done in the RM -> AVI process, with some accuracy and maintaining audio sync.

[alsyed]

well, the original topic was about which encoder we thought was better.

I have been a strong advocate of tmpgenc, since i have used it since the beginning of my home video experience. Its easy to use in my opinion, but it was slow i noticed on my machine. Quality is the key, and i can sacrifice time for quality.

I've just tried CCE recently, and i've noticed that the speed improvement over tmpgenc was quite noticeable. I got 3.5 hour clip that i have in half d1, outputted via avisynth to cce, with 2 passes, took a little over 6 hours to do. On the tmpgenc, it took 8.5. The quality? To me the CCE output looked a little sharper, and the colours a little more vivid, but in terms of quality, one can't say which is better. As has been said before, the encodes are different.

With that being said, CCE is best used via frameserving from another app (avisynth is best in most peoples thinking), but i still use tmpgenc plus to encode all my motion menu's as i frame serve from vegas and have a batch encode list saved. I guess, i will try cce from sony vegas (via debugmode frameserver) to see if the speed is increased, but i don't know when i'll get around to that.