Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD

[Sabro]

http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-chronicles-of-a-futile-battle-Blu-Ray-vs-HD-DVD-631.shtml


Sabro

[DaveS]

the guy who wrote that article is an idiot.

edit2: (see my post below for an explaination of this edit): What I meant to say more clearly is that in my own personal opinion, the writing referened above is a poorly written piece, with many or most points unsubstantiated, not logically connected, and leading to no particular conclusion, which is ok, because the hypothesis of the article is not clearly spelled out in the first place.

edit: I hope it wasn't you as that wasn't intended to be a put down for anyone here.

[Sabro]

Not I...Hell I can't even spell that good, as you may of noticed from some of my 'other' posts around here heh.

Sabro

[Zisguy1]

I'd almost take HD-DVD just because it sounds normal, whereas "Blu-Ray" sounds stupid (why not just call it Blue Ray or Blue Laser?).

[hrlslcbr]

Mainly because they can't trademark a normal word such as 'blue'

[proxyx99]

the guy who wrote that article is an idiot.

Now, that is a really smart and insightful comment...
Could you expand?

[Sabro]

No matter the winner or even if both of these were wildly available today (as Blu-Ray is kinda in some parts of the world) it's prolly gonna be awhile before the average joe switchs to, or can afford these new toys.

Look at the issues with DVDs, some players play this media (wether burnt or pressed) while these dont, this disc manufactor has a better product then the other (TY vs. CMC).

First there was 2x burners, then there was 4x then 16x now we're just getting to Duel Layer Burners.

Media, depending on what brand and where you get it can be very cheap or very expensive, doesn't work with this or that burner...blah blah blah

I have a feeling all of these issues will plague Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, HVD or who ever the winner may be, so I will wait mostlikely till a standard is set and alot of the bugs are worked out.

Blu-Ray/HD-DVD/HVD 2x burners are gonna be sweet for you 'gotta have the latest greatest toys' till the 4x burner comes out, so history is most likely to repeat itself yet again.

Sabro

[DaveS]

the guy who wrote that article is an idiot.

Now, that is a really smart and insightful comment...
Could you expand?

yes, during the week when I have time I will go back to the article and then expand on it..

[proxyx99]

I thought you knew why you wrote it..., if not, you could have waited with your comment until you have time "during a week"... to explain yourself more clearly and not keep some of us guessing...

[DaveS]

I thought you knew why you wrote it..., if not, you could have waited with your comment until you have time "during a week"... to explain yourself more clearly and not keep some of us guessing...

ok, I'll share some of my criticisms of the article, and I'll just preface it with this is my opinion which by definition is neither right nor wrong, just an opinion:

- I was turned off by the opening, a collection of random points, many or all unsupported to lead to the key question to be answered in the article .. that's where I came to my initial conclusion that no self respecting writer starts off that way..but maybe this was just a stream of conscious writing and not supposed to make a logical argument

- the article continues with many unsupported points and no hint of research into the numbers...contributing to an overall sense of vagueness

- Right now, in my opinion, the CD as a medium has more or less the same issues as DVD content, and with music downloads the CD market is indeed changing quickly which the author just ignores

- claiming the DVD format is no longer taken into account (a) makes no sense and (b) isn't actually true - the DVD format is why I can go to a store and buy a disk with a movie on it and then play it at home - b/c of standards

- where is any substantiation for the statement that the - vs. + format differences led to slower than expected adoption of this technology..what was expected and how much did the formats change that?

- why is a replacement for the DVD 'needed'...I assume it's loosely related to the point of display devices can handle a higher resolution than the DVD format, but does that imply that a 'replacement' is 'needed'? Doesn't that ignore hi def broadcasts and VOD?

- where is any facts or data to support that the movie industry is waiting for any kind of information from the porno film industry?

one of the few points taken in isolation that I agree w/ in the article is that the formats are about information control, e.g. monetary control.

- the comment on a different format taking over blu-ray or HD is completely unsubstantiated...how much money is behind blu-ray and HD combined vs. any other format...

anyway, I could go on but I won't...to me, that article was a loosly assembed set of phrases on some general topic, but no where near a cohesive argument supported by facts to make a point or conclusion, which is why I said what I said, which is what I ususally expect when reading an article (which maybe it wasn't intended to be).

edit: see update to my original post in this thread..maybe that helps...

[Darth Paris]

I don't buy the whole bit about the porn industry. They may have a bunch of titles, but none of them sell near as well as any real film.

[proxyx99]

Actually the porn "dilemma" was reported in different media and seems real. I've got a different impression then DaveS but have to say that I read your points with interest.

- dead DVD - of course not, not yet but spectacular success of this medium has shown that there is a tremendous interest in HQ delivery system plus all these stacks of HD TV's need some kind of follow up and justification. Consumer was given a product (HD TV's) that has to evolve into some coherent system. The author has illustrated that DVD as development platform is dead, which it is.

- need for replacement - millions of reasons here, one is above, two is new format = new ways of making money = higher profits. The need is rather an expectancy then a real need. Can we do without HD?, I think so, but technology priests have to think about what comes, more then what is. This need could be quite costly for the public, switch again?, but we always liked larger, better picture and HD is delivering big on this front.

I agree there is no in depth research but we are more or less kept up to date by daily media. All in all I did not get the impression the guy's an idiot and I have a feeling that you know deep inside that you jumped the gun. He's given us a summary on status quo that is pretty much correct.

Also by talking about the "need" for DVD replacement he correctly depicted the ambivalence of situation. On one hand media producers want to exploit DVD but also can't wait for HD to take over the scene. How beautiful for them, you end up with a VHS, DVD and HD-disk of some sort of the same movie. Do you buy the same book 3 times in your lifetime? I also feel a sense of urgency on part of manufacturers trying to speed up the conveyor belt. The only thing that's holding them back is a question what to bet their money on, which format?

As you see we have to spend several thousands of dollars to stay in the game in the next few years.

PS. DaveS, that was better and faster then I expected, way better then your off-the-cuff initial appearance

[ViRaL1]

I'd almost take HD-DVD just because it sounds normal, whereas "Blu-Ray" sounds stupid (why not just call it Blue Ray or Blue Laser?).

Harder to copyright.