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It's hovering around $2.05-$2.10 at the cheap stations in Portland, Oregon. Add 50 cents or more per gallon if you go to a station close to the freeways. I guess I don't notice the pinch much yet. I drive a 4-banger, use it mainly as a work vehicle, and only pay about $50 a month for gas.
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Anyone own or driven one of those hybrid cars like the Prius?
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Yeah, I was in a Chevy dealer in Manchester VT that also sells Volkswagens and was enquiring about the VW Tuareg SUV with the 5.0L diesel engine and they said that diesel cars weren't available in VT because of emission regs.Originally Posted by Flaystus
At that very point, a massive truck pulling a load of lumber thundered past. That must run on diesel too so what gives? Where do diesel car drivers from out of state fill up?Regards,
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...and there are those who say diesel is not as polluting as gasoline/petrol.Don't mind that black soot coming out of the exhaust it's totally harmless.
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Up another five cents in the semi deep south.
Coffee makes you happy.....Except when it messes you up -
All you dudes,
I was in Montana last weekend and the price of gas is 2.40 a gallon. Cigarettes are 5.25 a pack and a 16 oz. bottle of soda is 1.50.
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Up to $2.22 now
Coffee makes you happy.....Except when it messes you up -
Yeah I paid $2.15 this morning and passed places that were $2.20. Now they are taking about a price "super spike"
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Yes, I Know
- Jul 2003
- ...in and around the lake
$2.33/gal. for Reg. UNL here in SoCal - Inland Empire, is the absolute lowest right now. Keeps going up almost daily.
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Gas everywhere is above the $2 mark. And i use plus in my car. Its getting to the point where its getting too expensive to go anywhere.
VTMI have the staff of power, now it's up to me to use it to its full potential to command my life and be successful. -
Hit 2.47 today by me in michigan!!!!!!!
but i ride my bike 99.9% of the time during the summer, and no, i'm not talking about a 10 speed
They had it on the news about all the backed up traffic by places that were the cheapest
But honestly, i don'tpay that much attention.... if i need gas.... i need gas.... i'm not pushing my vehicle, so i get it
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2.01 yesterday---------2.34 today in Mpls.
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Stiiiiiiiil $5.70 a gallon here.....
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Damnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!
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I knew gas prices over the pond were lower than ours, but I didn't they where that much lower!
I just paid 84p per litre, thats £3.18 per US Gallon!!
Thats about $5.70...........and you only pay around $2.20!!!!!
How the hell can they justify that?We'll be right back after these messages from Binford! -
every one (country) pays the same market rate for crude. the price diff reflects the cost of refining, demand, economic overhead, and most of all...taxes.Originally Posted by tool man
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Yep, tax is the killer. i think pretax we have third cheapest in europe, post tax, most expensive.
Remeber though folks, fuel tax is for the government to investiagate newer and better sources of energy, and to subsidise public transport.
That is why we all drive hydrogen-cell cars, and those flying buses started their ten minute pickup, 300mph routes last year. never did work out why they painted them pink and put those curly bits on the back though..... -
I just paid $2.45 gallon the other day.
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Yes, I Know
- Jul 2003
- ...in and around the lake
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Yesterday - $2.33, today - $2.39 at the same (lowest priced) station in the area (Arco). Going up $.06 per day now, and speeding up. Probably be $2.50 within the week, and $3.00 by Memorial Day (so the "experts" - read: those with investments in oil - say).
ExxonMobil is buying out Unocal 76, just announced a day or two ago - so there will be even less competition, and more than likely, even higher prices coming.
Still no perceptible effect on the amount of cars & SUV's on the road here in the L.A. area. It would seem everyone is driving as much as they always have. They may have to make cutbacks on other things, but they'll still drive as much as ever. At least until the price becomes prohibitively expensive.
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$2.14 at one station today but I have seen everywhere else at $2.34 since yesterday. It's depressing really.
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Far too goddamn old now
- Jan 2003
- Soul sucking suburbia! But a different part since I last logged on.
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This is big, but then, i've been "off" for 18 months, just imagine this spread over a year and a half and it's barely a line every other day.
Perhaps I shouldn't have done it in the Quick Reply window where only seven, 3-quarter-width lines show up at once?
*Laughs, once again, at my far-Western colleagues whining like babies at the how their non-renewable fossil fuel costs haven't caught up with the reality that the rest of the civilised/uncivilised world shares*
I was doing it (on this board, even?) two years ago, and provided that my worst fears about our respective governments aren't realised and prove to be paranoia (think: 1984, but without the rats - because they are intelligent creatures, after all..), I expect to still be doing it in a couple years time. The only reason your prices are actually quite LOW is that you wield so much potentially-opressive military power, and often a lot of it around the mideast.... plus any US government that raised pre-taxes into line with many of your "allies" would soon taste the wrath of the NRA (yay for non-govt. associated militia by the way, a nice safety net) and a host of more unhinged domestic terrorists that increased airport secuirty would be powerless to stop.
Right now when I'm driving, I'm hunting the elusive sub-80-pence litre (sub-£3.62 UK gallon; £2.91 US gallon (UK pints being 20 fl oz, US pints 16 fl oz) --- that's an "ELUSIVE SUB-$5.25 US GALLON", then) ...... it seems to be an extinct species, except for when I've just filled the tank ten miles ago and haven't rid myself of the minimum 2 litre dispensible volume yet. Prices hovering more in the 83-86p / litre range...
(incidentally my current ride is getting mid 30s MPG-UK, takes almost £40 ($70+..) to fill it's barely 10-UK gallon tank (a car holding 22 US gallons? wow... I could cross the country the long way and start on the journey home), and to my mind is a bit thirstier / pricier of a beast than I'd wished for, though it's worth it for the thumping midrange torque*... it's a '98, 1.6 litre Vauxhall Astra, the direct descendant of what you would know as the early 90s car inexplicably bearing the legendary Pontiac LeMans name)
*comparitively anyway - compared to old car, compared to quite a few others I test drove, etc. Perhaps not thumping in the lumpy-idling V8 kind of way, but certainly in the harley davidson "change gears with the tide" way. And it is still quite a lightweight vehicle.
Which all kind of disjointedly leads to.........
There's so many conspiracy theories I could chuck out on this one - the combination with (soon to be compulsory?) car-tracking chips and festoons of road cameras to follow, and very effectively restrict citizens movements for one thing......
.....another is the old "peak oil" favourite (go do a google for that one, and crap yourself - basically, the theory is, this so called market fluctuation is more a sign that we are, actually, for real, hitting the end of the reserve, and some very powerful supply and demand market forces are about to hit home price-wise).
With the oil "running out" (if you believe the above, and i personally want to run on the side of caution i.e. in it's favour) as well as the environmental effects that which is left will have, the only way to reduce the use, get people into more efficient cars, etc is to put the price right up, until cars really are being used only for the essential journeys and more efficient public transport - or at least more efficient cars - are being used for bulk trips like commuting or shopping. Such as things were up until about the 50s or 60s.... the modern 2-car-home concept is pretty much a 60s/70s. Not a very long time when you think of it!
Or to put it another way, each trip taken in a 15mpg SUV that you DIDNT need such an extravagant vehicle for, is two of the same trips you've conceptually robbed your future self of in a much-more-efficient, just as comfortable, just as fast, cheaper, lower insurance and all-round safer Prius or other similar car... that's easier to park and to get in and out of.
Don't go telling me you need it for the crash safety or the load carrying space. That's bullshit. Up til recently I was driving a '91 VW Polo 1.0 litre, a miniscule car by American standards (granted, I changed it because the sheer lack of performance led me to damn near destroy the engine by regularly over-straining it). The number of times I exceeded it's carrying capacity in the 30 months of ownership? Maybe five or six, maximum. Number of times I didn't satisfy the need for extra space (when, effectively moving house - going between home & college) with a set of roof-bars? Once. And then, I had a friend look after some stuff I didn't immediately need for me. I've only just had it back off him, a year later (old textbooks and spare kitchen utensils). BTW engine power became largely irrelevant at that point, because the weight onboard made me worried enough for the handling that I didnt dare try exceeding 60mph. Not that I needed to be - a couple incidents with crazy other road users showed that whilst my concern over the increased mass was founded, it's effects on the brakes and roadholding wasn't all too pronounced.
Apart from that......... Number of times I was really in any kind of danger due to commuter traffic? Very few, thanks to the low traffic speeds - the pioneering safety cage (rare in any car, when they introduced it on the polo in the 80s) - and it's nimble handling, which also made for great fun out of the city despite the non-existent acceleration.
What's more, in return for an occasional scary close-call (as much owing to it's age as it's size - one of europe's safest cars now is the 2004 Ford Fiesta, of a similar stature, convincingly out-performing several '04 Land Rover models in that department in official tests) and one or two load-bearing troubles (i.e. when I needed to shift more than a HALF TON of gear), it offered remarkable economy. Foot down everywhere (90mph "cruise") = 35mpg... 55mph cruise = 60mpg, 75mph cruise / cross-city = 45mpg (all UK figures - multiply by 4/5ths for US). Not bad going for a 91 model!
And only a 60s mini or a Smart could beat it for parking.
How much stuff do you *regularly* carry in that Explorer......? How many times do you ever off-road? Get a city car (performance need not be lacking - were i over 25 for insurance purposes, i'd have straight-swapped the 1L polo for a "G40" edition - 130 supercharged horses in a 1500lb frame = very, very quick... porsche-chasing quick) --- and HIRE a damn 4wd pickup WHEN you need it.
/rant sort-of over
but as a PS, do us a favour.
dont whinge about your prices without thinking what other people are paying (which is why i'm only pointing out the UK ones, as i know it's actually even worse in some places - and not complaining about insurance costs, as the USA annual premiums make my eyes come out on stalks)
go find out just how much precious, limited hydrocarbon your ride chews up and craps out without need on every trip - i.e. compare it to something that would do the same job as you use it for, rather than what it's built for (consider driving a ferrari through rush hour - you wouldnt do that very often, now). in the UK, the astra's 1600cc might seem a bit OTT for my actual needs, but fact of the point is it's an economy-focussed low tune engine that gets the best mileage and emissions out of the whole range (not to mention being more pleasingly beefy at 2000rpm than the more "powerful", thirsty 1400cc and 1800cc 16 valve sports models - which helps you in a quest to move quietly, smoothly, and efficiently through traffic without having to race the motor or floor the pedal hardly ever)
see if you could replace it with something "better" in that regard and not only enjoy lower fuel bills, but perhaps a better driving experience as well.... more fun, more safely... without actually missing out on doing any of the things you were never truthfully going to do in that big 4x4.
did you really want to end up driving a truck or a tank? no, wait, dont answer that, i know i would too. but all the time? wouldn't you prefer something that felt a bit more positive, responsive? that can fit into multi-level parking garages without trouble? hmm.
and think about what you could spend the money saved on...
beer, bbq and movies!
in tahiti!
The Renewables thing ... it's a bit up in the air. Biodiesel would be great if it takes off (i too want a diesel car! but - with a good particulate filter), and we have the capacity to produce it (if we don't, then it shows just HOW fast we've been using up the oil!). The unused parts go to cattle feed, don't they? handy in two ways, then! Take a google at Alcohol fuel production and use in Brazil some time. It's a decent basis for the idea. It's not exactly going to be any cheaper than current production, possibly more expensive - but it's certifiably carbon neutral (if not carbon NEGATIVE) and even the side-effect emissions are nicer. Plus it gives you somewhere more useful to tip your left-over cooking oil, after filtering it.. into the car!
Hydrogen, everyone forgets, IS NOT A FUEL. It is a storage medium, just like a pack of Duracells you might buy at the store (or maybe a set of rechargables..). As a way of storing excess capacity from renewable electricity production facilities, e.g. windmills, where supply can be highly variable and unpredictable, and traditional batteries really can't bridge the surges in demand, it'd be fantastic. Or more regular hydro, etc.... Just gotta find a way to store it safely. However if we can do that with Methane (including enormous innercity gasometers - i live within a few miles of some famous ones), Propane and LPG, Hydrogen shouldn't be all too difficult. Hell, I wouldn't really be worried with a fuel cell in the car - they're developed out of similar devices that hold the gasoline / kerosene / etc for stock racer cars, so that they don't burst into flame *quite* as easily in a collision. The design seems *mainly* sound - far more so than the usual completely-unprotected half-full 10 gallon container of volatile hydrocarbons under the rear seats...
And it is also a good answer to the usual electric vehicle problem. Modern electrics have the potential to be quite awesome - again, it's google time. See if you can find the video of someone's 140kW motor based 2 seater Spyder that kicks the asses of porches, ferraris, all comers down a 1/4 mile, then drives to Vegas from Cali on a single charge. Put that motor in a passenger car and you have the equivelent of a good V6 sedan.
Problem is, that car was almost all battery, cost almost $1 million, and once in Vegas, needed a serious, long haul recharge. We may get that down to 90 minutes, an hour, but that still seriously eats into the journey time and convenience, and it's not like you can borrow a spare can of electricity from a friend to get down to the recharging station if you run flat.
Hydrogen fuelling gives the answer to that. If it ever gets off the ground.-= She sez there's ants in the carpet, dirty little monsters! =-
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$3.23 per US Gallon here in Melbourne, OZ
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What are you paying per litre offline?
Up here it's AUS$0.989/litre which equals US$2.86/gallon. -
the new issue of forbes is predicting oil will drop to 30-35 dollars a barrell within a year.....
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Well said EddyH.
I can't understand why anyone would choose a truck over a car for an everyday drive. maybe a car-derived van if you are in a band, or you're a builder or something, but who -needs- a truck?
Similar to yourself i have a 1.6 escort. it'll go over 100mph, it gets to 60 in less than twelve seconds and gets 40 to the gallon. It comfortably fits five, the ride is smooth and quiet, plenty of room for the shopping, and with the rear seats down you can fit furniture and other large items.
A good example was an old girlfriends Fiat uno, which uncomfortably seated five with a 1L engine and a top speed of 80ish. with the back seats down we fit a 32" widescreen TV in it. the TV would not fit through the front door, or up the stairs, but got in the car no problem. Probably even got 50 to the gallon while carrying it. -
The Americans are always whining on gas and subway fares.
They are cheap and better than elsewhere on this planet.
You got to be thankful on a gallon of gas or find alternatives to oil.
The USA is too much on oil and for goodness sake find another way for energy.
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Tonight its $1.09/Litre so..Originally Posted by pacmania_2001
(AUS1.09Litre x 3.785Litres per US Gallon) = 4.12565
(1 USD = 1.30616 AUD) = 4.12565 / 1.30616
= $3.15861 USD per US Gallon
I forgot to do the final conversion of AUS to US currency
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Just bought gas last night. Gave them a $20 for a fill up and didn't have to go back for change
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Really varies here in Kansas City. Just bought gas last night for 2.15 (okay, 2.16 per gallon when you add in the 9/10 of a cent thing). However, 1 mile down the road another station had it for 2.29 for the cheap stuff.
I would hazard to guess the average here right now is about 2.25 a gallon for regular unleaded. I'm so happy I bought the mazda 6 and not the Durango!
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