Trying to fit more on a regular DVD. What should I use???

[Lord Kaizen Gamora]

I have DVDs which I got through Ebay whcih hold twice and much shit then what I try and burn on my own.

A few questions:

1. I tried to look for a topic on this on the search engine, but didn't see any. Can anyone link it for me?

2. If someone can give me a quick rundown on compresion, and other things like that. Like what can or should I use? I have Quick Time Pro, and I have heard of but have not yet purchased DVD2oneX. Actualy, I'm not even sure what DVD2one does(as in beigna ripper or whatever the ****.)

What I'm trying to do is take an AVI file(a 20 minute anime episode) and fit as many as I can on a single DVD. I can fit between 4 and 5 the most on one DVD using Toast 6 or iDVD.

Anyone got tips? You guys helped out a bunch the last time I had problems, so I figured I'd come here and see if I can find some pointers.

Just looking to squeeze as much as I can onto a regular DVD.

I have a 1.25ghz eMac.

[thoughton]

By "twice as much shit" are you referring to the number of megabytes or the total duration?

If it's megabytes, those discs are probably dual layer and your home burner is single layer. If it's duration, they are using something similar to dvd2onex to compress the film.

[lifesajrny]

"twice as much shit"
I've never seen anyone put shit on a DVD
Do you need to go to school in order to explain yourself?

[Lord Kaizen Gamora]

The DVD's I bought off Ebay were single layer, and with compressed film. I can fit about 4 episodes on a DVD, the ones I bought had about 8. So I assume they used some sort of compression program.

I'm pretty green when it comes to compression and what not. I didn't think I would need it at first, but I now see how much my stuff will pile up, and I would like to invest in it.

I had the Demo of DVD2one, and I was lost. I keep seeing 'VIDEO_TS folder' being referenced for ripped DVDs, but I did not rip this off a DVD. That matter at all? All the 'how to' pages I've read were explinations on using the program for just ripped DVDs.

Is there a certian simple format I can use? Or can someone give me a simle rundown or link me a rundown someone else had written?

Sorry if I sound like a noob.

[terryj]

aaah, when in doubt, common vernacular will excite everyone.


That being said, let's substitute "sh!t" for 'Episodes" and
keep this an all ages board, ok.

If you want to fit as many "episodes" as you can onto a
single DVD-5 ( ie. 4.7GB standard dvd-r) then you
will have to make an investment of both time and money
in being able to accomplish this task.

The hardest possibly for you, but the most common for
most here, is to use a program called DVD Studio Pro3
( often referred to here as DVDSP3), which includes
with an ( often bashed, but still xcellent IMHO)
compression program, called Compressor.
this program will allow you to take your "episodes"
and once you have figured out the target size and bitrate,
will enable you to compress them to a ratio that
will enable you to fit 8 epsiodes onto one DVD-5 disc.
( typically, this is about 2.4mbps VBR). It also comes
with a program called A.Pack, which will allow you to
compress the audio to a form of Dolby audio that
will enable all your content ( both audio and video)
to fit perfectly ( about 192kbps).

Total Cost: $499 plus some time for learning

The second, and not as hard but still tricky,
would be for you to use Toast Titanium 6,
author the DVD via using the Video Tab,
save the authored DVD as a Disc Image,
(rather than burn) and then mount the DVD
image on the desktop, and using a REGISTERED
COPY of DVD2OneX, compress the DVD to fit
onto a DVD-5 disc ( 4430MB.) then burn the
output from DVD2ONEX in Toast.
While this seems pretty easy, there are three problems
you should be aware of:

1. If the .avi files are not in QT spec, they will not
playback correctly once burned. Check to make
sure they play in QT Pro first before trying this.

2. Toast will compress to author,a nd DVD2Onex will
then re-compress to fit, so if your footage is questionable,
you could end up with worse footage than before.

3. Your DVD structure will not be "pretty", in other words,
chapter marks will be rudimentary, and you won't
have much of a menu or navigation, but the disc will
be ( to some degrees) playable.

total cost: $89 for Toast, $ 65 for legit DVD2OneX.

That's pretty much it, it just now depends on how much
time and money you want to invest.

[Lord Kaizen Gamora]

Well, what I usually do is conver the .avi to .mov and burn them.

Should I do the same while trying to use the dvd2one/toast 6 part?

DVD studio pro 3 is out of my rage. **** that, for that cash I can go to Chinatown and get the bootlegs. I do have DVD studio pro 2 though, would that work the same?

[sjk]

Cork the potty mouth, eh?

[pixeljammedia]

Yeah, umm, pirated copies of software and an inherent misunderstanding of video and compression. Time to stop posting and let him search the board a bit more to learn about what he needs, other than an expanded vocabulary.

[Lord Kaizen Gamora]

Do you people have nothing better to do than nitpick my typos? I type quickly, and goof up a bit. Big deal.

If you have nothing to add, then **** off. Go further your illusion as the great Oxford English Professor of the VideoHelp.com forum in some other thread. I have no use for your snide remarks.

I'm here to get some tips, not write a ******* omnibus.

And thanks to TerryJ for having a life and not feeling the need to fluff your **** by being an internet tough guy spelling bee geek.

You are in breach of the forum rules and are being issued with a formal warning.
/ Moderator BJ_M

[pixeljammedia]

This attitude will get you far buddy.

[sjk]

And I'm betting that attitude and language (ignoring terryj's polite suggestion to "keep this an all ages board, ok") will get this thread edited and/or locked in short order, too.

[Lord Kaizen Gamora]

Right, but making snide remarks my way is acceptable? It’s not OK for me to answer back but it IS ok for you guys to come into a thread where I made NO insulting comment toward anyone, and crack smart remarks about typos.

Guess what? I’m a bonehead when it comes to spelling. I mash the keyboard like a moron and type too fast, and end up missing a letter or two. I don’t see a spell checker, but I if did I would have used it if I knew I would get thrown under the bus.

Again, if you have nothing to add, don’t respond. I didn’t come on insulting anyone, YOU guys did. And if going around message boards making snippy remarks on typos gets you guys off, God bless. Just take it to another thread. I don't want to be bothered.

[pixeljammedia]

There were no cracks about "typos" just a call for you to expand your vocabulary. You will find that when you use profanity you will get fewer responses. Your message becomes "Blah-blah-Shit-blah-blah-****-blah-blah-help me." No one said a thing about how you spell your swear words, we just told you to not use them. Now go tell me to fellate a rhino or something because that seems to be the standard response.

[Lord Kaizen Gamora]

Dude, give me a break. What is a Catholic school Nun going to jump out and hit my hand with a ruler?

Oh and my occasional profane word speaks volumes about my vocabulary, I see how it is.

Not for nothing, but I did not curse at anyone(well in my earlier posts at least), but either out of frustration for being new and inexperienced with this field(which I FULLY admit), or just in general. I figured since my curse words were not filtered out and replaced with symbols, it wasn’t a big deal.

I actually missed over Terry’s request to keep it clean, and I apologize for that. That said, there is still no reason to get snippy. You did not echo his request, you just chose to go all holier-than-thou. My posts were not filled with JUST profanity. You’re nitpicking and being rather judgmental.

Expecting everyone who comes across these message boards to be some universal editing guru who all speak the same lingo is ignorant at best, and refusing to help and taking a snipe at someone for a curse word that was not meant to be malicious(and not to mention not often, I think I have what? Three before my response to you? C’mon man....) wreaks of arrogance and pretentiousness.

Again, if you can’t add to what Terry wrote about my problem, then your input is not welcome. If you can help me out, that's cool. I'll curb my language from here on out.

[pixeljammedia]

Fine, here is some help:

1. AVI files can use many codecs. Use the info window in a program such as VLC to tell you what codec it was encoded with. Most typical are divx and xvid AVIs. If it uses either of these codecs, then you may have audio problems when you open them in Quicktime.

2) If you do not have audio problems then find an MPEG encoder and encode away. Quicktime reliant compressors like Toast, Bitvice or Compressor should work fine. DVDSP 2 should have come with a copy of Compressor, use that to make a DVD compliant mpeg, and A.Pack to create the audio. Use a bitrate calculator to tell you what bitrate would be best to use. FFMpegx has a good one. Use DVDSP 2 to create the DVD structure and burn.

3) If you do have audio problems then grab a copy of DIVX Doctor II and see if that solves it. If it does not, then see if the sound plays in MPlayer and use a mencoder GUI such as ffmpegx, mpeg2 works, or Missing Mpeg Tools to create your mpeg.

5) The typical dvd compliant mpeg is 720x480 @ 24/29.97fps for NTSC and 720x576 @ 24/25/29.97 fps for PAL. If these are overseas anime vids they may be in PAL format which means either a standards conversion unless your DVD player can play PAL discs. search for PAL NTSC conversion on the forum to figure it out if necessary.

6) Using profanity in a public forum does indeed speak volumes about you and how you choose to present yourself. In general it leaves an impression of immaturity and a crass disregard of others. Express yourself without them and this would have been fine. Use them and you will be told by many that we don't appreciate them in an all-ages forum. In fact the forum rules you agreed to state that you will not post obscene and vulgar things. Their use can get you banned. Instead of reporting you we chose to police ourselves and tell you to stop.
You also said you had DVDSP 2 but that 3 was too expensive. You apparently don't use DVDSP2 much which makes one wonder whether you paid for a legitimate copy. Who buys an app as expensive as DVDSP 2 and then doesn't use it? Warez are frowned upon in this forum. They also can get you banned.
Bootleg DVDs from Chinatown can also get you banned.

Terryj, tgpo, galactica, and many others help many people who come here. All your questions have been answered before in this forum and simple research on avi to dvd conversion would have gotten you what you need.

In the end the only help I should offer is that you should follow the rules you agreed to when you signed up.

[Lord Kaizen Gamora]

Actually, my bro has DVD studio pro 2, I just dabble on his now and again. It's very complex, and I never find the time to fully mess with it and learn. He makes alot more cash than I do, and likes to put a lot of his $$$ into his Mac.

I don't see how bootleg DVDs can get me banned. I neither sold them or tired to sell them using this forum, but oh well, it's not my call.

I actually got quite lost using the search engine, and these answers will help me alot. I will copy these down and reference them if I choose to shell out some cash(well, for DVD2one at least).

Thanks for the help!

[terryj]

I don't see how bootleg DVDs can get me banned. I neither sold them or tired to sell them using this forum, but oh well, it's not my call.

Thanks for the help!

I'm only gonna touch on this one subject, and leave the rest alone.
PJ pretty much covered everything that needs to be said.

(If it wasn't clear before, Baldrick runs an ALL ages site here,
and its a given that just as mom used to say when in public, use your
speaking/indoor voice, you should in a public forum use your
trying to keep my job, not get fired voice as to not offend anyone.
But I digress...)

The subject of Bootleg DVDs in and of itself is TABOO, simply because
by discussing the use of, the copying of, the selling, of, or the
sharing of such product gives the ILLUSION of ADVOCACY of such
items.

just the same: if you ride in a car, and the driver is smoking pot,
and he hits and kills a child, you get charged for accessory
to murder, simply because you went along for the ride.
(advocacy)
Had you gotten out of the car, and caught the bus, you would
be fine, alive, and out of jail.

The law doesn't discriminate, which is why in big green letters
it says do not discuss any warez which are:
"Warez includes downloaded copyrighted movies, movies that
are not yet released on VHS/DVD and copying rented movies. "

so as not to give




wait for it










the ILLUSION of ADVOCACY!



Now, back to one thing I want to point out:
Before you make the investment into DVDSP3
( which btw is way better of an investment than
spending cash in Chinatown IMHO),
you have the perfect opportunity to teach yourself
DVDSP2 at your brother's house, and learn 80%
of the program at little to no cost.
( the other 20% are the features that changed in DVDSP3)

I would STRONGLY encourage you to take advantage of this
and learn a worthwhile program and its sister component
Compressor, which will GREATLY aid you in this feild of
video. Plus then once you learn it, it will greatly shape
your knowledge of DVD/VIDEO/VID EDITING, and youcan
become one of the
"universal editing guru who all speak the same lingo".

And then you can contribute and answer others questions,
becoming a viable asset here at videohelp.com.

I for one, would like to see you do it.


Your welcome for any help given.
Pay me back by taking advantage of the free training
you can get by going to your bro's house and learn DVDSP2.
You'll be glad you did.

[Lord Kaizen Gamora]

Yeah, the big kicker is finding time to learn.

Mom runs a business so I'm always helping her out, my girl's computer is on it's deathbed and she's at my house doing homework.

At this point for now, I will use regular DVDs, or maybe just archive my stuff and wait for dual layer DVDs to become cheaper.

[Makmic]

Hello,

A cheaper solution for your question would be MovieGate (freeware at http://www.macetvideo.com/dl_center/dl_center.html ) which appears to be also in english now. It compress and author the DVD in the same run.

The result will not be as good as DVDSP's one, but it is free and very simple simple to use.

[decay]

try shiznit instead.

i have a Panasonic DMR-E30 that can be set to record variable time on a DVD-R, up to 6 hrs in the "EP" mode. the bitrate is lower, but you know what? it's watchable. i put 3 Russ Meyer laserdiscs on one DVD-R, and they were no worse than a VHS tape in SP mode, so figure blank DVD-R = 30 cents, vs. 3 blank VHS tapes = $3, and the disc takes up much less space if you have a lot of movies to archive.

dk

[Drewness]

i went to DVDSP website and it says you need a MAC to use it. There isnt one for PC?

[terryj]

NOPE!
sorry....Final Cut Pro, Final Cut Express HD,
and DVD Studio Pro
are mac only gems...

[pixeljammedia]

Adobe has a DVD creation tool, as does Sony, Sonic, ULead etc. Walking through the aisles of your local electronics store would give you some possibilities. (though I still think DVDSP and a Mac is the best tool for the job)