i.e. a work print or screener

[Noahtuck]

Hey guys
Just a question here, this thread was locked
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=258766&highlight=

And i was just wondering, i have some VHS tapes that are produced and manufactured legaly. and also show some warnings or text as stated in this thread.
A friend used to own a video rental store and would get movies on VHS back in the day from the distributor for previewing to see if he wanted to order them for the store. then after them sitting around in the back room forever, long after the movie was "has been", he would give them to me.
So now if i wanted to transfer these to dvd for myself it would be promoting warez asking how to get rid of the text ?? because it is basically for screening purposes for the video store owners to see if they want to purchase it for stock.

[BJ_M]

the video store owner was breaking the law -- as the tapes are clearly given with "do not lend, rent , sell" warning ...

and video store rental tapes do not have property of xxxx popping up throughout the film .

and further -- the warning on the tape rental places would be from the distributor , not the studio ..

property of PIXAR markings indicate that that is a screener ..

[BJ_M]

I didnt really answer your question ..

how about you just ask the question "how do i edit this movie i have" or "how do i remove a logo from this film"


though both questions have already been asked/answered

[lordsmurf]

I used to work at a small-medium newspaper, but because I was in a huge market, we got just as many CD/VHS review materials as the big papers did. Studios sent us stuff to review, and I served as a volunteer reviewer on the side (paid, of course) for about a year when the staff was low in that department. In terms of the EVENTUAL destination of the media, most studios NEVER mentioned anything on the media, nor in any of the paperwork (huge packets usually, full of press photos, stickers, smoke-blowing letters, and all kinds of other junk). The supposed unwritten/unspoken rule is "watch one, then destroy". But again, that's not said/written anywhere, so nobody really does it.

There are several studios that are very strict about their materials, and they request it be returned. In fact, some of them would even call if the materials were not returned abfter 30-60 days or so. If you lost it or something, that was understandable, but too many instances like this would potentially have you removed from the review circulation. I remember Buena Vista (Disney) in particular would have DESTROY THIS and/or return envelopes.

I still have a ton of stuff, CDs, VHS, not many DVDs (that's a really recent method, still not used much either from what I hear). I don't "back them up" and should I ever not want/need them, I'll put them in the trash. And to be quite honest, some of this stuff probably deserves to be in the trash. Failed pilots, unaired shows, crappy music and movies.

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While that may have seemed to be a bit of a tangent, the purpose was to illustrate that your buddy at the store is not allowed to give those out. He was the ONLY INTENDED OWNER ... EVER ... and those materials should be either returned to the studio or destroyed.

Discussing things you don't own is warez. You cannot own a screener in the same sense as something you buy in stores. Those can be resold, given as gifts, etc. And even though about 1-2 million people a month visit this site, it's safe to say few of them (can count on you fingers) are in any way able to legally have possession of a screener/demo/etc.

[Noahtuck]

I did'nt ask how to get rid of it, i know how to do that
what i was asking was,
Regardless of whether or not he was breaking the law by giving them to me,
Now that i own them, if i said i had these tapes, video, what have you, that by stating i had this video with these warnings and asking how to get rid of them i would be advocating warez ??
Because these tape's also have similar warnings when viewed.
I now own them, they are mine so i can't back them up or ask how to get rid of it without advocating warez ??

Here is a shot of the cover warning & label on one of the VHS tapes i have, and they were printed into the cover, not after the cover was printed or a stamp, it had to have been printed as part of the cover.





I got alot of them from WAY before dvd rentals, he used to rent LD's because i always bugged him that i wanted LD's

[lordsmurf]

Yes, that is advocating warez. The mere fact that you have them, acquired in the method you described, is technically warez. The issue here is YOU DO NOT OWN THEM .. you were never on the distribution list to receive these movies. Your possession is totally illegal. Your friend was NOT allowed to give them out.

[BJ_M]

I did'nt ask how to get rid of it, i know how to do that
what i was asking was,
Regardless of whether or not he was breaking the law by giving them to me,
Now that i own them, if i said i had these tapes, video, what have you, that by stating i had this video with these warnings and asking how to get rid of them i would be advocating warez ??
Because these tape's also have similar warnings when viewed.
I now own them, they are mine so i can't back them up or ask how to get rid of it without advocating warez ??

Here is a shot of the cover warning & label on one of the VHS tapes i have, and they were printed into the cover, not after the cover was printed or a stamp, it had to have been printed as part of the cover.

i answered that here

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1230124#1230124

[Noahtuck]

Yes, that is advocating warez. The mere fact that you have them, in the method you described, is technically warez.

The issue here is YOU DO NOT OWN THEM .. you were never on the distribution list to receive these movies. Your possession is illegal.

Because he gave them to me and i own them

cool, just wondering, because i would not think it would be a big deal as i actually have the original in my possesion.

[lordsmurf]

Nope. .... he did not have that right.

[BJ_M]

as i said --- he should have not given them to you ...


if someone rip's off a beer store and gives you the beer ..

you have broken the law as well as they ..... EVEN if you didnt know it was stolen (i dont make the laws)


you are pushing the issue -- and bringing up a grey area ... LS and I have answered your question fully ..

[Noahtuck]

Nope. .... he did not have that right.

He used to let me bring screeners or whatever you call them, preview tapes, home all the time to watch and see if they were any good 8) before they were sent out for rental. Bad us i guess But that was years ago, like i said, even before dvd rentals.

[Noahtuck]

as i said --- he should have not given them to you ...


if someone rip's off a beer store and gives you the beer ..

you have broken the law as well as they ..... EVEN if you didnt know it was stolen (i dont make the laws)


you are pushing the issue -- and bringing up a grey area ... LS and I have answered your question fully ..

I'm not pushing anything, i'm asking right, it's grey to me also THATS why i'm asking!!!

Thanks LS

[BJ_M]

i meant pushing in that i suggested a way to word such a question as to not cause the anguish of making a decision (in your case) if is warez or not .. though it really is -- you have something which technically you do not own nor should be in the position of .

The VAST majority of such questions (as the one you pointed out in the first post) are downloaded screeners or workprints ..

[BJ_M]

i dont get a thanks

[Noahtuck]

i meant pushing in that i suggested a way to word such a question as to not cause the anguish of making a decision (in your case) if is warez or not .. though it really is -- you have something which technically you do not own nor should be in the position of .

The VAST majority of such questions (as the one you pointed out in the first post) are downloaded screeners or workprints ..

Okay, cool man
Because i really never would have thought it would be considered ilegal because he never sold them to me and like LS was saying, they really never asked him back for them or said what to do with them, they would just keep sending him the stuff... i know he did throw alot away cause most of the vids, like LS stated was crap no one would want
Yes you do too
BJ_M

[BJ_M]

what if you found them in the garbage ?

this happened once to a studio that threw out 1000's of copies of a dvd because of a mistake . ussually these are crushed (happens often for various reasons) or carted right off to the land fill ..

but this studio had them in a dumpster, some had even spilled out and some one grabbed some and passed them out to thier friends ... the studio found out somehow (not sure how) ..

can you think what the outcome was ?

[Noahtuck]

Ya know, that's interesting.....
What if they actually made it to the landfill and someone dumping there saw them scattered around & picked up 1 or 2 and brought them home ?? or 5 and gave them to family, you would think they could not get prosocuted because the studio or whoever, just dispossed of them that way & they were just floating around the dump. is it stealing when you are at a landfill and find something like that and take it home ??
I guess you could say yes because the owners might have an expectation that when they threw them out they would be gone and dispossed of, but you would think, as you stated, they would have enough sense to make sure they were actually destroyed

[Shocker Milwaukee]

can you think what the outcome was ?

Beheadings? Crucifixion? j/k

[BJ_M]

the case never got to court --- it is the same as the right of police to go dumpster diving ...

but it was not legal to pass them to his friends ......

he could keep a copy ...

the studio didnt ask for the friends copies back though after they found out it was only a small number ..


major studios mostly shred stuff before it is dumped -- but not always ... sometimes you find film and tapes floating around.. we have dumped huge amounts of both out over time ... one time threw out about 2000 laser disks i recall becuase of a error on them .. i was going to keep them and make a wall out of them but never got to it before i left there ..

[Noahtuck]

one time threw out about 2000 laser disks i recall becuase of a error on them .. i was going to keep them and make a wall out of them but never got to it before i left there ..

See!!!! now THAT would be cool!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have about 5 LD's that don't have anything on them or just say pioneer on the label and are blank, don't remember where i got them ?? acouple might be some kind of promo thing, i'll have to look and see again, but i have them stashed in my closet and i made a clock out of one

[HatchetMan]

This whole screener warez issue is kinda funny to me. Especially that pic above stating "For Promotional Use Only". I very often frequent stores that sell used CD's and DVD's. I come across several discs with these very same labels on them for sale all of the time in these stores, some of them still sealed. They purchase and sell them, new or used. When I inquired how that was legal, since it explicitly said "Not For Sale", they responded with them not being allowed to sell their "own" promo copies that they were given by the copyright owners, but they could buy others' promo copies and still turn around and sell them to make a buck. These are respectable companies I am speaking of, one of them being Zia, the biggest chain store of new and used here in AZ.

[housepig]

they responded with them not being allowed to sell their "own" promo copies that they were given by the copyright owners, but they could buy others' promo copies and still turn around and sell them to make a buck.

well, they must need some ibuprofen, since they're bending over so far backward to justify what they are doing...

most of the used cd stores around here (Minneapolis) will not take label promo copies, they just refuse them outright.

[Noahtuck]

Well...
seeing as someone decided to bring this thread back up
HatchetMan brought up something that never came to my mind

I also have a ton of cd's that i have purchased from many local cd stores that were promo's, demos, for radio stations ect. that have it printed right on them. even from years ago!! never even thought about it, i would see it for sale and just PAY for it and into my collection it went.

[reboot]

All the warnings say is, "Not for Sale, Rental, Duplication, or Public Performance."

NOWHERE does it say, "Not for giving away to friends".